Vanessa tells Steve that Johnny Mac is not sufficiently loyal to her and he spends too much time with James.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
WHATM: BBUSA17 - Week 10 - SPOILERS
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If she gives the Austwins what they want this week, I'm willing to bet she will be gone next week. Austwins will throw HoH and let James do the dirty work.
Originally Posted by mindset:
“If she gives the Austwins what they want this week, I'm willing to bet she will be gone next week. Austwins will throw HoH and let James do the dirty work.”
“If she gives the Austwins what they want this week, I'm willing to bet she will be gone next week. Austwins will throw HoH and let James do the dirty work.”
Once they hear it's a double I reckon it will be James Vs Vanessa. Whoever wins veto / HoH will determine which one goes.
Julia HoH would see James gone.
Liztin HoH would see Vanessa / Steve possibly gone.
Do commend Liztin for realizing James / Meg is much better for end game. They'd be crushed in the end like we've been saying all season long. That's why it's almost futile for Steve to push for a Meg eviction as she is an easy stepping stone for final 3 / 4.
Not to mention Liztin have effectively won James / Meg + Co. Jury votes.
Originally Posted by mindset:
“Vanessa: "Why don't I ever get an easy HoH?"
Because you keep backdooring people, bitch.”
“Vanessa: "Why don't I ever get an easy HoH?"
Because you keep backdooring people, bitch.”
DR will push for an Austwins backdoor. They're ready for them to be split up. However Vanessa is not easily swayed by Production
James hopes either one of the "brainiac" (Steve, John) crew goes home this week.
He's still a moron then.
He's still a moron then.
Terrible week for Vanessa. Really shouldn't have won HoH - should've "fell" as soon as she was last one standing with John. She knew he wasn't after her, but I don't think she was ready to lose an Austwin just yet with James and Meg still both in the game.
Nominate John - he goes home, she can't play for HoH, all her eggs are in Steve's basket because Austwins will jump ship and run to James and Meg; Austin's already back up James' arse and is trying to get John out.
Nominate Julia - potential flip, Austin/Liz/Vanessa blindsided, two vs. four in next HoH, and with Julia gone, they may find Vanessa more threatening than Austin/Liz. However, this doesn't seem likely unless DR work hard on Steve and John over the next couple of days. Both have expressed to each other that they'll keep Julia this week and John is really expressing wanting a final three with Steve and Vanessa.
This brings you onto the other option, though - keeping Austwins in tact. If Meg goes home and they keep Julia, the next HoH there's a 50% chance that Austwins will win it. James or John goes home, and you're at final six with a solid trio who could potentially win their way to the end at that point. Keeping all three this week means Steve/James/John HAVE to win the next HoH and send an Austwin out, or all three of their games (and Vanessa's) is over.
For Vanessa, it's probably better to keep Julia/evict Meg, as she can play both sides. She knows Steve/John/James will have bigger fish to fry, whilst Austwins will think/know they can rely on her not to take them out. However, her game now rests on James/John/Steve winning the next HoH; if an Austwin gets taken out next, she's in a great spot... if not, she's playing for fourth at best.
For John and Steve, they really ought to evict Julia and pull in Meg and James. It isn't worth pinning their game on the next HoH when it's only a 50/50 shot. Just take the chance and go for it. If Liz or Austin win the next HoH, tough luck, Steve/John go home, but they aren't going to win the game anyway if they keep Austwins (unless they win the next HoH). The odds are better for them if they evict Julia this week.
Nominate John - he goes home, she can't play for HoH, all her eggs are in Steve's basket because Austwins will jump ship and run to James and Meg; Austin's already back up James' arse and is trying to get John out.
Nominate Julia - potential flip, Austin/Liz/Vanessa blindsided, two vs. four in next HoH, and with Julia gone, they may find Vanessa more threatening than Austin/Liz. However, this doesn't seem likely unless DR work hard on Steve and John over the next couple of days. Both have expressed to each other that they'll keep Julia this week and John is really expressing wanting a final three with Steve and Vanessa.
This brings you onto the other option, though - keeping Austwins in tact. If Meg goes home and they keep Julia, the next HoH there's a 50% chance that Austwins will win it. James or John goes home, and you're at final six with a solid trio who could potentially win their way to the end at that point. Keeping all three this week means Steve/James/John HAVE to win the next HoH and send an Austwin out, or all three of their games (and Vanessa's) is over.
For Vanessa, it's probably better to keep Julia/evict Meg, as she can play both sides. She knows Steve/John/James will have bigger fish to fry, whilst Austwins will think/know they can rely on her not to take them out. However, her game now rests on James/John/Steve winning the next HoH; if an Austwin gets taken out next, she's in a great spot... if not, she's playing for fourth at best.
For John and Steve, they really ought to evict Julia and pull in Meg and James. It isn't worth pinning their game on the next HoH when it's only a 50/50 shot. Just take the chance and go for it. If Liz or Austin win the next HoH, tough luck, Steve/John go home, but they aren't going to win the game anyway if they keep Austwins (unless they win the next HoH). The odds are better for them if they evict Julia this week.
Originally Posted by Reserved:
“For John and Steve, they really ought to evict Julia and pull in Meg and James. It isn't worth pinning their game on the next HoH when it's only a 50/50 shot. Just take the chance and go for it. If Liz or Austin win the next HoH, tough luck, Steve/John go home, but they aren't going to win the game anyway if they keep Austwins (unless they win the next HoH). The odds are better for them if they evict Julia this week.”
“For John and Steve, they really ought to evict Julia and pull in Meg and James. It isn't worth pinning their game on the next HoH when it's only a 50/50 shot. Just take the chance and go for it. If Liz or Austin win the next HoH, tough luck, Steve/John go home, but they aren't going to win the game anyway if they keep Austwins (unless they win the next HoH). The odds are better for them if they evict Julia this week.”
That maybe sounds good in theory but the reality is if they vote out Julia Meg/James won´t team up with Steve and John because Meg is a moron. They will run back to Austin/Liz because they want to summercamp with them. Thats why Meg HAS to go. With her gone maybe just maybe James would go with Steve/John.
James to Meg: "I'll know as soon as she puts up Julia, that she wants you to go"
and: "I think Johnny Mac would vote against Julia."
They never ever grasped the bigger picture, only what is directly in their faces.
and: "I think Johnny Mac would vote against Julia."
They never ever grasped the bigger picture, only what is directly in their faces.
Austin telling John that he is open to making individual deals for himself and that he doesn't intend to act like Clay.
Originally Posted by Linus2:
“That maybe sounds good in theory but the reality is if they vote out Julia Meg/James won´t team up with Steve and John because Meg is a moron. They will run back to Austin/Liz because they want to summercamp with them. Thats why Meg HAS to go. With her gone maybe just maybe James would go with Steve/John.”
“That maybe sounds good in theory but the reality is if they vote out Julia Meg/James won´t team up with Steve and John because Meg is a moron. They will run back to Austin/Liz because they want to summercamp with them. Thats why Meg HAS to go. With her gone maybe just maybe James would go with Steve/John.”
Steve and John already plan on bringing in James and smoothing things over between James/Vanessa so the four of them can take out Austwins, but for that to work, one of them needs to win the next HoH. If they don't, John or James is done, and in fact, Steve/Vanessa can kiss goodbye to winning, too, as I can't see any way one of Austwins doesn't win at final six together.
Whereas if they approach Meg and James once Julia's on the block and tell them, we'll vote Julia out if you both commit to us, blah, blah, throw Austwins under the bus... then I can't see James/Meg not being into it. They'll know John/Steve are saving Meg and James/Meg are very easily manipulated/naively loyal.
It's a massive risk, but if they vote out Meg it's James/John/Steve vs. Austwins in next HoH.
If they vote out Julia, it would be James/John/Steve/Meg vs. Austin/Liz. The odds are better for them.
John's a target regardless. Vote out Meg, Austin still gunning for him. Vote out Julia, Austin/Liz gunning for him. John's only hope going into next week really is himself/Steve/James winning HoH. Again, it comes down the numbers. Keeping Julia means John only has two people fighting for him in the next HoH, keep Meg (as useless as she is) and it's three people fighting for him.
Steve has more to lose than John though, it's very risky for him because he's safe if Austwins win the next HoH, but if he votes Julia out, he'll become enemy #1 with Austin and Liz.
I dunno... I see why they're thinking what they're thinking at the moment (re. voting out Meg/keeping Julia), but a solid trio at final seven is absolutely madness when you have the votes to evict one of said trio.
OK I opened my ears long enough to realise Meg can't articulate a basic sentence.
She'll be crying (again) soon....
She'll be crying (again) soon....
Julia still going up as of now.
Stern taskmaster Steve is Jedi-drilling John.
No doubt he hopes to be able to throw the DE HoH in slightly better conscience....
Stern taskmaster Steve is Jedi-drilling John.
No doubt he hopes to be able to throw the DE HoH in slightly better conscience....
Vanessa has already told James she is going to evict Meg.
Now she is telling a tearful Meg.
Vanessa says her strategy is to split up the remaining ADC pair, one way or the other.
Meg can barely speak.
Now she is telling a tearful Meg.
Vanessa says her strategy is to split up the remaining ADC pair, one way or the other.
Meg can barely speak.
Meg says it would be better to send out one person with no blood on her hands, rather than splitting up 2 people and getting their blood.
Vanessa explains the pawn theory to Meg
She can't understand.
She leaves the HoH room barely able to control herself
She can't understand.
She leaves the HoH room barely able to control herself
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