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CravenHaven
06-09-2015
Originally Posted by Monsieur23:
“Basically, as long as Anton isn't an actual imbecile, he'll see that Katie's intended by the producers to be his "last hurrah"; a final good dancer before he's probably retired to ITT to make jokey comments about choreograph. If he can't see that, and we get more joke choreography, Katie will have been utterly wasted, and I will send a very angry letter to him, in an envelope full of poo.”

Will it contain the instructions "Spread liberally to improve your latin dances"
Monsieur23
06-09-2015
Originally Posted by CravenHaven:
“Will it contain the instructions "Spread liberally to improve your latin dances" ”

There might be instructions to "administer orally", if you catch my drift.

Still, I have hope that no such letter will be necessary; Anton has to know he'll need help with the Latin, right? For Katie's sake? ...right?
TerryM22
06-09-2015
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“Very well put and I couldn't agree more. I like Anton.”

Most reasonable people do Annsyre.
Bohochic
06-09-2015
Originally Posted by pete137:
“Could'nt agree more. He makes EVERYTHING about himself and his lame jokes and constant mugging to the camera drives me mad. He has shown himself to be a very nasty and repulsive man too. He is a joke and is simply there for the type of "women of a certain age" who will lap up Daniel O'Donnel and his cringey dad moves.

Im totally gutted that a favorite of mine, Katie has been paired with this buffoon. I have to endure "the Anton show" now whenever she is on. Grrrrrrrr !

It wont be about her anymore, whenever they are interviewed it will Anton talking over her with his "joke, joke, nod and a wink to camera, gurn, gurn, me, me, me" routine.”

Can you give examples of when Anton has shown himself to be a "nasty and repulsive man" those are very strong words and I would ne interested to know.
EyeballEyeball
06-09-2015
Originally Posted by Bohochic:
“Can you give examples of when Anton has shown himself to be a "nasty and repulsive man" those are very strong words and I would ne interested to know.”

You know when he called his dance partner a p*ki? Then.
IvanIV
06-09-2015
He knows people that know people. He must. They let better dancers go and he's still there.
DeltaBlues
06-09-2015
Based on numerous comments/interviews/quotations over previous series it seems that those celebrities without extensive prior dance experience pretty much want to a) not fall over b) not go out first c) not be made totally miserable in training.

I imagine if that's still true then Katie is quite happy to have been paired with Anton, since those things are unlikely to happen to her with him in charge of her training.

He wouldn't be the pro I'd have at the top of my list to be paired with when I'm famous (although I'm probably closest in athleticism and ability to his average partner ) but neither do I think he's the bane of the show who should be put out to pasture forthwith. He brings something familiar/recognisable and BBC-safe to the show, and it wouldn't be the same without him. It's a necessary counterpoint to the ever-growing Burn The Floorness that threatens to overwhelm Strictly, IMO.
TerryM22
06-09-2015
Originally Posted by DeltaBlues:
“Based on numerous comments/interviews/quotations over previous series it seems that those celebrities without extensive prior dance experience pretty much want to a) not fall over b) not go out first c) not be made totally miserable in training.

I imagine if that's still true then Katie is quite happy to have been paired with Anton, since those things are unlikely to happen to her with him in charge of her training.

He wouldn't be the pro I'd have at the top of my list to be paired with when I'm famous (although I'm probably closest in athleticism and ability to his average partner ) but neither do I think he's the bane of the show who should be put out to pasture forthwith. He brings something familiar/recognisable and BBC-safe to the show, and it wouldn't be the same without him. It's a necessary counterpoint to the ever-growing Burn The Floorness that threatens to overwhelm Strictly, IMO.”



Can you help me with this "Burn The Floorness" you speak off, thanks.
TerryM22
07-09-2015
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“He knows people that know people. He must. They let better dancers go and he's still there.”

They would loose too many Strictly Come dancing viewers if they let Anton go.
Elsa
07-09-2015
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“They would loose too many Strictly Come dancing viewers if they let Anton go.”

I agree. But I kind of expect them to move him to either host or judge at some point.
Jethryk
07-09-2015
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Can you help me with this "Burn The Floorness" you speak off, thanks.”

I believe Burn the Floor is one of these new fangled dancing shows where most of the new dancers seem to come from.

I think eventually Anton will have to be moved on but as you say 'his talents are wide ranging' so they will probably moved him into a judging or presenting role. Don't think they would want to lose him completely.
Heatherbell
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Can you help me with this "Burn The Floorness" you speak off, thanks.”

It's something generally used by young 'uns to describe really hot dancing , or in the case of Strictly , a really fabulous sizzling routine, mostly in the latin genre . Hot hot hot , covers it.

ETA

OOPS , just seen the post above and it's an actual show .(backs slowly out of the room ).
pete137
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by Bohochic:
“Can you give examples of when Anton has shown himself to be a "nasty and repulsive man" those are very strong words and I would ne interested to know.”


Originally Posted by ;79524824:
“You know when he called his dance partner a p*ki? Then.”

Just one example. But Anton's fans like to brush that under the carpet.
LazySusan
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“Really needs to up his game this year. He looked bored and disinterested last year.”

Actually last year was the first year I liked Anton just a little bit. I thought he was really good and patience the way he looked after Judy. They have been seen out at tennis matches together quite a few times since Strictly finished last year.
BeyonceCastle
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Can you help me with this "Burn The Floorness" you speak off, thanks.”

Jason Gilkison, director of choreo on Strictly last year, directed and choreographed the stage show Burn the floor.
Alumni include Anya, Pasha, Kevin, Trent, Robin, Artem, Karen, Janette and Kristina (the latter was a guest star) some of whom had been on the American so you think you can dance (Cat Deeley did a UK version too but audiences did not take to it). The american SYTYCD had choreo contributions from...one Jason Gilkison.
Having done DWTS stage shows etc Jason cops the flak for all the increased staging, props, themes that Strictly traditionalists loathe.
Given that 8 pros had Burn the floor experience, this was deemed flashy/not a back to basics traditional background that Anton/Brendan had, despite some of them also having competed at Blackpool etc. James Jordan was a gobshite on this topic.
Burn the floor is also I think where Karen and Kevin met and he proposed on stage. It also explains why Janette had previous dalliances with Artem and Pasha, who also had passion with Anya. Explains also how Trent came to stand in for Robin.
Small world, eh?
Elsa
08-09-2015
Tristan was in Burn the Floor too, off-and-on for years. Karen was his partner - and on one of the BTF dvds, he was introduced at the end with Gordana, Trent's wife, (they came out in couples) which I assume means they danced together, as well. The announcer says, "Tristan and Gordana from Slovenia" which made it sound like he was from Slovenia too.

He was also in the stage shows Strictly Ballroom and Dirty Dancing (in London - and maybe on tour), and briefly in the film Ella Enchanted.

(If he needs a manager, I'm available )
BeyonceCastle
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by Elsa:
“Tristan was in Burn the Floor too, off-and-on for years. Karen was his partner - and on one of the BTF dvds, he was introduced at the end with Gordana, Trent's wife, (they came out in couples) which I assume means they danced together, as well. The announcer says, "Tristan and Gordana from Slovenia" which made it sound like he was from Slovenia too.

He was also in the stage shows Strictly Ballroom and Dirty Dancing (in London - and maybe on tour), and briefly in the film Ella Enchanted.

(If he needs a manager, I'm available )”

So that makes ten of them with BTF links/experience then. Hence James Jordan's comment about renaming it Burn the floor. I hope Tristan does well with Jamelia. I would like to see his choreo when he has someone who can keep up.
Personally I couldn't care less where the pros come from or how they got their break or how nepotistic the dance world may or may not be, as long as they put the effort in. But then again, I like originality, flair, illegal lifts and props so I am more your Baz's Strictly Ballroom than Blackpool tower kind of gal. Except for kiss me quick hats.
Elsa
08-09-2015
James seems really bitter about things (like the number of Burn the Floor vets) doesn't he? He should have taken that demotion and worked on ITT. I'd rather see him than Robin and Karen tbh (and now Joanne, though I don't begrudge her the trial-run and wish her well.) OTOH, I'd rather have Ian than James, so if it came down to one or the other, I'd keep Ian.

Tristan has mentioned that one of his early stage appearances was in a show starring Anton and Erin - do you know if they were in Strictly Ballroom or is he talking about yet another show - maybe their own?

I wish Anton hadn't said that about Laila. I was actually shocked, especially considering his father was Hungarian (and an absentee/drunkard type that he's talked about quite disparagingly) and his mother was Spanish. I guess that shouldn't matter but you'd think he'd be more sensitive about ethnicity jokes.
BruciesChin
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by pete137:
“Just one example. But Anton's fans like to brush that under the carpet.”

No one tries to brush it under the carpet but neither do they think it was the worst crime since humanity started.

I find it amusing, tiresome and slightly pathetic that those who hate Anton always bring this up. It's like they are delighted he said it so they can feel morally superior to him (and everyone else) and always have a stick to beat him over the head with; it's their trump card whenever they're losing an argument.

As far as I am aware (and you may know different) Laila was the one using 'that word' all the time and Anton's use of it could be construed as a reference joke or in-joke rather than a racist joke. I would suggest that while he might have thought he was being 'cutting edge' he should have realised he was walking into a trap, especially, as there is always a grass about.

After all these years, I think a couple of well known phrases come to mind, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," and "Forgive and forget."

We forgive all sorts of crimes nowadays, I think we can forgive someone who uttered a mild sweary word.
TerryM22
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by BruciesChin:
“No one tries to brush it under the carpet but neither do they think it was the worst crime since humanity started.

I find it amusing, tiresome and slightly pathetic that those who hate Anton always bring this up. It's like they are delighted he said it so they can feel morally superior to him (and everyone else) and always have a stick to beat him over the head with; it's their trump card whenever they're losing an argument.

As far as I am aware (and you may know different) Laila was the one using 'that word' all the time and Anton's use of it could be construed as a reference joke or in-joke rather than a racist joke. I would suggest that while he might have thought he was being 'cutting edge' he should have realised he was walking into a trap, especially, as there is always a grass about.

After all these years, I think a couple of well known phrases come to mind, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," and "Forgive and forget."

We forgive all sorts of crimes nowadays, I think we can forgive someone who uttered a mild sweary word.”


Great post BruciesChin full of common sense and factual reason.
EyeballEyeball
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by BruciesChin:
“No one tries to brush it under the carpet but neither do they think it was the worst crime since humanity started.

I find it amusing, tiresome and slightly pathetic that those who hate Anton always bring this up. It's like they are delighted he said it so they can feel morally superior to him (and everyone else) and always have a stick to beat him over the head with; it's their trump card whenever they're losing an argument.

As far as I am aware (and you may know different) Laila was the one using 'that word' all the time and Anton's use of it could be construed as a reference joke or in-joke rather than a racist joke. I would suggest that while he might have thought he was being 'cutting edge' he should have realised he was walking into a trap, especially, as there is always a grass about.

After all these years, I think a couple of well known phrases come to mind, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," and "Forgive and forget."

We forgive all sorts of crimes nowadays, I think we can forgive someone who uttered a mild sweary word.”

Ah so it was Lailas own fault she was racially insulted. I see.
Lou_Black
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by BruciesChin:
“No one tries to brush it under the carpet but neither do they think it was the worst crime since humanity started.

I find it amusing, tiresome and slightly pathetic that those who hate Anton always bring this up. It's like they are delighted he said it so they can feel morally superior to him (and everyone else) and always have a stick to beat him over the head with; it's their trump card whenever they're losing an argument.

As far as I am aware (and you may know different) Laila was the one using 'that word' all the time and Anton's use of it could be construed as a reference joke or in-joke rather than a racist joke. I would suggest that while he might have thought he was being 'cutting edge' he should have realised he was walking into a trap, especially, as there is always a grass about.

After all these years, I think a couple of well known phrases come to mind, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," and "Forgive and forget."

We forgive all sorts of crimes nowadays, I think we can forgive someone who uttered a mild sweary word.”


Really?
BeyonceCastle
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by EyeballEyeball:
“Ah so it was Lailas own fault she was racially insulted. I see.”

Not at all and she denied using the word herself although both the Times article claimed she did and Anton took all the blame to shield her from her parents and in Craig RH's book Tales from the dance floor, it is implied she had no problems with the word.
I have dealt with enough racist incidents in schools to know N word P word and others are bandied about as insults but also reclaimed.
Craig said: "it was one of those things where she might have called herself various names, like I might call myself a "big old poof" or "rancid queen" - or rap stars and singers like Rhianna use the n word - but if anyone else says it then it's not acceptable".
He also points out that Anton had a japanese girlfriend at the time (although that does strike me as being like a "one of my best friends is black so I can't be racist" argument).
But he did make a full apology. It relates to his actual dancing as much as James's perceived "fattism" related to his. But we don't have to all like the same pros do we? It would be very boring if everyone adored Kevin from muddyfunksting Grimsby.
TerryM22
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by Jethryk:
“I believe Burn the Floor is one of these new fangled dancing shows where most of the new dancers seem to come from.

I think eventually Anton will have to be moved on but as you say 'his talents are wide ranging' so they will probably moved him into a judging or presenting role. Don't think they would want to lose him completely.”



Thank you Jethryk,, the transition into the traditional leading male presenting role seems to be Antons next logical move.
TerryM22
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by LazySusan:
“Actually last year was the first year I liked Anton just a little bit. I thought he was really good and patience the way he looked after Judy. They have been seen out at tennis matches together quite a few times since Strictly finished last year.”

As you say Anton was very caring towards Judy last year, his patience and encouragement knows no bounds every year.
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