The only one of his ex partners I've seen speak about him in glowing terms is Widdecombe, who is a fellow bigot.
Anton.
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Originally Posted by EyeballEyeball:
“The only one of his ex partners I've seen speak about him in glowing terms is Widdecombe, who is a fellow bigot.”
“The only one of his ex partners I've seen speak about him in glowing terms is Widdecombe, who is a fellow bigot.”
Really? One article sums up a few of his ex-partners glowing comments ( and I'm surprised you can't even remember as far back as last series and Judy Murray's warm words) but there are many out there if you can tolerate the thought that perfectly decent people may have differing tastes and opinions.
http://www.express.co.uk/expressyour...-they-all-want
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“Well therein lies the rub, you think condemning the use of a hateful racist term is "extreme". Perhaps I feel differently to you because of my own life experiences. I agree that the conversation has become sterile and pointless. I just find it a little sad that there are still people in this world who refuse to condemn any form of racism and trot out pointless phrases about people being offended on behalf of others.”
“Well therein lies the rub, you think condemning the use of a hateful racist term is "extreme". Perhaps I feel differently to you because of my own life experiences. I agree that the conversation has become sterile and pointless. I just find it a little sad that there are still people in this world who refuse to condemn any form of racism and trot out pointless phrases about people being offended on behalf of others.”
The term is without doubt racist and hateful, so what if, as mentioned previously on the thread, someone is using it in conversation referring to themselves in a "reclaiming the word" manner? If someone is using the word like this and then someone else also Ill advisedly uses it in the conversation is it the same as someone randomly targeting someone for abuse. I don't personally think so. Nor do I know what actually happened as I wasn't there.
What I do know is that as a Scottish person who has done a fair bit of work in England I have been referred to in many terms which empirically are racist and offensive.
On most of these occasions it was in conversation with friends in the nature of "banter" and to me wasn't offensive in the slightest, while on other occasions the same phrases and how they were being used were without doubt intended to be and indeed were hugely offensive.
That for me in my experience is without doubt a grey area in this whole discussion. I wasn't there and I don't know what happened, nobody but the people involved know for sure and already down the thread the word bigot is being bandied about.
People form absolute opinions, from my experience absolutes are almost never the truth.
We do know. We know he referred to her as a **** and that is a racist term. It's clear cut as can be. He should have bet sacked not only because he's a racist but because it's unprofessional and means he can't work with certain celebs
Originally Posted by What name??:
“We do know. We know he referred to her as a **** and that is a racist term. It's clear cut as can be. He should have bet sacked not only because he's a racist but because it's unprofessional and means he can't work with certain celebs”
“We do know. We know he referred to her as a **** and that is a racist term. It's clear cut as can be. He should have bet sacked not only because he's a racist but because it's unprofessional and means he can't work with certain celebs”
I wish my life were as completely clear cut as your's clearly is! How wonderful to have no shades of grey, mitigating circumstances, or areas of uncertainty at all.
Originally Posted by tinselgirl:
“I wish my life were as completely clear cut as your's clearly is! How wonderful to have no shades of grey, mitigating circumstances, or areas of uncertainty at all.”
“I wish my life were as completely clear cut as your's clearly is! How wonderful to have no shades of grey, mitigating circumstances, or areas of uncertainty at all.”
Yup life is much easier when you don't waste time tying yourself in knots making excuses for racism or bigotry. Amazing Tge clarity when you believe that racism is wrong. Maybe you should try it one day
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Yup life is much easier when you don't waste time tying yourself in knots making excuses for racism or bigotry. Amazing Tge clarity when you believe that racism is wrong. Maybe you should try it one day”
“Yup life is much easier when you don't waste time tying yourself in knots making excuses for racism or bigotry. Amazing Tge clarity when you believe that racism is wrong. Maybe you should try it one day”
I'm not trying to catch you out, but do you actually know what the circumstances were when he used the offensive word?
AW is certainly a bigot, but she's definitely not the only former partner who thought Anton was lovely and has remained friends with him.
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“I'm not trying to catch you out, but do you actually know what the circumstances were when he used the offensive word?
AW is certainly a bigot, but she's definitely not the only former partner who thought Anton was lovely and has remained friends with him.”
“I'm not trying to catch you out, but do you actually know what the circumstances were when he used the offensive word?
AW is certainly a bigot, but she's definitely not the only former partner who thought Anton was lovely and has remained friends with him.”
Of course the woman he racially abused has not remained friends with him.
Originally Posted by EyeballEyeball:
“Of course the woman he racially abused has not remained friends with him.”
“Of course the woman he racially abused has not remained friends with him.”
I didn't say she had, I honestly don't know. But what makes you say "Of course..."? Do you know Laila?
Anton is more than one thoughtless remark and banging on about something he wholeheartedly apologised for is becoming tedious . If anyone dislikes him then fair enough , vote him off but dragging up long dead minor scandals serves no purpose on a dance show thread .Personally I find old scandals tiresome and prefer to focus on what they do in the show this year . Maybe I'm in a minority on that .
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Anton is more than one thoughtless remark and banging on about something he wholeheartedly apologised for is becoming tedious . If anyone dislikes him then fair enough , vote him off but dragging up long dead minor scandals serves no purpose on a dance show thread .Personally I find old scandals tiresome and prefer to focus on what they do in the show this year . Maybe I'm in a minority on that .”
“Anton is more than one thoughtless remark and banging on about something he wholeheartedly apologised for is becoming tedious . If anyone dislikes him then fair enough , vote him off but dragging up long dead minor scandals serves no purpose on a dance show thread .Personally I find old scandals tiresome and prefer to focus on what they do in the show this year . Maybe I'm in a minority on that .”
I agree Heather it is rather tiresome, Anton has so much to offer us all, and viewers in the real world love him for his role In Strictly Come Dancing.
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“I'm not trying to catch you out, but do you actually know what the circumstances were when he used the offensive word.”
“I'm not trying to catch you out, but do you actually know what the circumstances were when he used the offensive word.”
of course it's in the public sphere. He used it towards s partner when it is his job to nurture them and make them confident enough to go on TV and perform something they are learning. And it's not the only time he has mocked and /or belittled partners. He's terrible pro and a nasty man.
Quote:
“Strictly Come Dancing star Anton Du Beke has escaped censure by the BBC for describing his celebrity partner as a “Paki”, despite Carol Thatcher being sacked for a similar offence.
Du Beke made the remark about Laila Rouass, the actress, during rehearsals for the BBC One show. Rouass, who is of Moroccan descent, had been given a spray tan ahead of her television performance and Du Beke told her: “Oh my God, you look like a ****.”
The 38-year-old actress was said to be “gobsmacked” by the comment, which was overheard by several members of the Strictly team.”
“Strictly Come Dancing star Anton Du Beke has escaped censure by the BBC for describing his celebrity partner as a “Paki”, despite Carol Thatcher being sacked for a similar offence.
Du Beke made the remark about Laila Rouass, the actress, during rehearsals for the BBC One show. Rouass, who is of Moroccan descent, had been given a spray tan ahead of her television performance and Du Beke told her: “Oh my God, you look like a ****.”
The 38-year-old actress was said to be “gobsmacked” by the comment, which was overheard by several members of the Strictly team.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...ty-a-****.html
And of course it out Laila in the awkward position of having to shrug it off or offend the BBC, her employer, and the people who like to blame the victim and excuse racist incidents.
Quote:
“Laila who publicly has forgiven Anton is privately said to be 'horrified' at Du Beke's racist remark, and a source said that she 'couldn't stop crying'.
She was also further devastated when she learned the offensive comment was to be made public.”
“Laila who publicly has forgiven Anton is privately said to be 'horrified' at Du Beke's racist remark, and a source said that she 'couldn't stop crying'.
She was also further devastated when she learned the offensive comment was to be made public.”
[utl]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1218014/Strictly-Come-Dancings-Anton-Du-Beke-dead-man-dancing-BBC-insider-says-series-last.html[/url]
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Anton is more than one thoughtless remark and banging on about something he wholeheartedly apologised for is becoming tedious . .”
“Anton is more than one thoughtless remark and banging on about something he wholeheartedly apologised for is becoming tedious . .”
Quote:
“'I am not a racist and I do not use racist language', says BBC's Strictly dancer and Hole in the Wall presenter”
“'I am not a racist and I do not use racist language', says BBC's Strictly dancer and Hole in the Wall presenter”
Wholeheartedly? You mean after lying and denying it and get caught out surely?
http://www.theguardian.com/media/200...e-dancing-race
Talk. about rewriting history!
And he people who keep bringing it up are the racism supporters who keep trying to excuse and minimise it. If they don't like facts being cited to expose their false narrative them maybe they should stop digging when in a hole.
Even though this donkey has been well and truly flogged to death, I will say this: the fact Carol Thatcher was sacked by the BBC around the same time for a similar incident and Anton is still there speaks volumes to me that we DON'T know the full facts, in and outs of the situation. I would be more inclined to think it truly is along the lines of what CRH has reported and Anton took the fire from what was 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Just because Laila is Asian, doesn't make it OK for her to use the word either (which she reportedly did and Anton repeated it back to her, and someone else got offended on her behalf and 'reported' Anton!)- yet she is completely exonerated from the whole thing. That's unfair.
Originally Posted by csiaddict71:
“Even though this donkey has been well and truly flogged to death, I will say this: the fact Carol Thatcher was sacked by the BBC around the same time for a similar incident and Anton is still there speaks volumes to me that we DON'T know the full facts, in and outs of the situation. I would be more inclined to think it truly is along the lines of what CRH has reported and Anton took the fire from what was 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Just because Laila is Asian, doesn't make it OK for her to use the word either (which she reportedly did and Anton repeated it back to her, and someone else got offended on her behalf and 'reported' Anton!)- yet she is completely exonerated from the whole thing. That's unfair.”
“Even though this donkey has been well and truly flogged to death, I will say this: the fact Carol Thatcher was sacked by the BBC around the same time for a similar incident and Anton is still there speaks volumes to me that we DON'T know the full facts, in and outs of the situation. I would be more inclined to think it truly is along the lines of what CRH has reported and Anton took the fire from what was 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Just because Laila is Asian, doesn't make it OK for her to use the word either (which she reportedly did and Anton repeated it back to her, and someone else got offended on her behalf and 'reported' Anton!)- yet she is completely exonerated from the whole thing. That's unfair.”
I'm afraid making a reasoned argument is not going to cut it with certain individuals here. The previous poster is obviously content to base his our her opinions on what is printed in the ever moral and truthful British media, quoting the highly reliable "a source" and the reliable old standby "is privately said to".
In Private Eye at the moment is an amusing while frankly astounding piece comparing what Jeremy Corbyn has actually said to how it has been reported by the mainstream media, I would advise anyone interested in the accuracy of what the media prints to check it out.
I don't know what happened. Other posters with different views- despite their protestations- don't know any more than I do, unless they're not revealing their sources.
Unattributed quotes in a daily newspaper are not facts.
As someone has said previously on the thread Anton is more than one thoughtless remark. People have watched him over a long period of time and made a judgement over his likely character based on that, but apparently if you come to a different view to certain people you are a "racist supporter."
I find that pretty offensive.
Originally Posted by csiaddict71:
“Even though this donkey has been well and truly flogged to death, I will say this: the fact Carol Thatcher was sacked by the BBC around the same time for a similar incident and Anton is still there speaks volumes to me that we DON'T know the full facts, in and outs of the situation. I would be more inclined to think it truly is along the lines of what CRH has reported and Anton took the fire from what was 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Just because Laila is Asian, doesn't make it OK for her to use the word either (which she reportedly did and Anton repeated it back to her, and someone else got offended on her behalf and 'reported' Anton!)- yet she is completely exonerated from the whole thing. That's unfair.”
“Even though this donkey has been well and truly flogged to death, I will say this: the fact Carol Thatcher was sacked by the BBC around the same time for a similar incident and Anton is still there speaks volumes to me that we DON'T know the full facts, in and outs of the situation. I would be more inclined to think it truly is along the lines of what CRH has reported and Anton took the fire from what was 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Just because Laila is Asian, doesn't make it OK for her to use the word either (which she reportedly did and Anton repeated it back to her, and someone else got offended on her behalf and 'reported' Anton!)- yet she is completely exonerated from the whole thing. That's unfair.”
Exactly. The fact that at the time Laila was going through a difficult legal dispute with the father of her child (who, unlike her, is actually of Pakistani origin) and would therefore have faced potentially even worse consequences than Anton had she owned up to her use of the word in their banter and the media got hold of it also made sense to me of the account given by CRH (and I believe also Brendan Cole who was actually there at the time).
If people were consigned to hell for making a racist remark there would be very few people left on earth!
I think it's so mean-spirited to use one mistake as a hammer to beat someone's reputation to death. I have yet to meet an angel. We're all a mixture of good and bad qualities. If Anton has a history of making racist remarks and still makes them then that would be one thing but using a racist term during banter is quite a different kettle of fish.
I think it's so mean-spirited to use one mistake as a hammer to beat someone's reputation to death. I have yet to meet an angel. We're all a mixture of good and bad qualities. If Anton has a history of making racist remarks and still makes them then that would be one thing but using a racist term during banter is quite a different kettle of fish.
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“If people were consigned to hell for making a racist remark there would be very few people left on earth!
I think it's so mean-spirited to use one mistake as a hammer to beat someone's reputation to death. I have yet to meet an angel. We're all a mixture of good and bad qualities. If Anton has a history of making racist remarks and still makes them then that would be one thing but using a racist term during banter is quite a different kettle of fish.”
“If people were consigned to hell for making a racist remark there would be very few people left on earth!
I think it's so mean-spirited to use one mistake as a hammer to beat someone's reputation to death. I have yet to meet an angel. We're all a mixture of good and bad qualities. If Anton has a history of making racist remarks and still makes them then that would be one thing but using a racist term during banter is quite a different kettle of fish.”
Please do not speak for me. I am by no means perfect and have many faults.
Racist? No. And as a result I do not make racist remarks. (it's not really very difficult or complicated NOT to do so).
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“Please do not speak for me. I am by no means perfect and have many faults.
Racist? No. And as a result I do not make racist remarks. (it's not really very difficult or complicated NOT to do so).”
“Please do not speak for me. I am by no means perfect and have many faults.
Racist? No. And as a result I do not make racist remarks. (it's not really very difficult or complicated NOT to do so).”
And I am not stupid (according to standard IQ tests), but I sometimes make stupid remarks. Clearly I find life a lot more complicated and difficult than you. But bravo on always making your words echo your character and beliefs.
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“And I am not stupid (according to standard IQ tests), but I sometimes make stupid remarks. Clearly I find life a lot more complicated and difficult than you. But bravo on always making your words echo your character and beliefs.”
“And I am not stupid (according to standard IQ tests), but I sometimes make stupid remarks. Clearly I find life a lot more complicated and difficult than you. But bravo on always making your words echo your character and beliefs.”
There is a difference between making stupid remarks and making racist remarks.
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“Really? One article sums up a few of his ex-partners glowing comments ( and I'm surprised you can't even remember as far back as last series and Judy Murray's warm words) but there are many out there if you can tolerate the thought that perfectly decent people may have differing tastes and opinions.
http://www.express.co.uk/expressyour...-they-all-want”
“Really? One article sums up a few of his ex-partners glowing comments ( and I'm surprised you can't even remember as far back as last series and Judy Murray's warm words) but there are many out there if you can tolerate the thought that perfectly decent people may have differing tastes and opinions.
http://www.express.co.uk/expressyour...-they-all-want”
I remember Judy's warm words about Anton too frankie, everyone who has met Anton also has very warm words for him.
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“There is a difference between making stupid remarks and making racist remarks.”
“There is a difference between making stupid remarks and making racist remarks.”
There are also similarities. I was using that as an example of deductive reasoning to challenge your apparent belief that a person's entire character and belief system can be reliably judged on one the basis of a single comment, especially without any examination of context or intention.
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“There is a difference between making stupid remarks and making racist remarks.”
“There is a difference between making stupid remarks and making racist remarks.”
Fair enough. So If Lailla was using the word herself in the context of banter between the two of them where does that fit on the canon of what is or is not stupid/ racist acceptable/ unacceptable?
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“Please do not speak for me. I am by no means perfect and have many faults.
Racist? No. And as a result I do not make racist remarks. (it's not really very difficult or complicated NOT to do so).”
“Please do not speak for me. I am by no means perfect and have many faults.
Racist? No. And as a result I do not make racist remarks. (it's not really very difficult or complicated NOT to do so).”
Where am I speaking for you?
Believe it or not it's not all about you!
Originally Posted by dd23:
“Fair enough. So If Lailla was using the word herself in the context of banter between the two of them where does that fit on the canon of what is or is not stupid/ racist acceptable/ unacceptable?”
“Fair enough. So If Lailla was using the word herself in the context of banter between the two of them where does that fit on the canon of what is or is not stupid/ racist acceptable/ unacceptable?”
Does it really matter?
Both Laila and Anton have moved on.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...cist-slur.html
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