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Tesco to start selling vinyl again
OK i'm not a huge Iron Maiden fan but i'd love to nip to the local Tesco to buy new albums rather than HMV or online. OK i don't mind doing those either but more selection is good and hopefully they all compete together for better prices. IMO all albums should be £9.99.
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I guess you have to expect vinyl to be more expensive than CDs
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I think today, just judging by what you can pay for CD-Rs, it must cost them literally pennies to produce loads of them. It must be pure profit. A CD, plastic case, a few bits of paper stapled. Pennies.
I think this record Tesco is selling is 3 LPs and £24 which is expensive. HMV on the other hand here in Glasgow have done an amazing job with their selection although for me the tail end of 2006 was the end of the peak for vinyl because it was just amazing. So much space dedicated to it in HMV and Virgin Records for UK singles, import 12", white label 12", UK albums, US albums. I was a huge single buyer but unfortunately the Itunes generation in the UK has pretty much killed off the CD single and any singles i see now are from bands i've never heard of. I loved buying singles on vinyl, current music. I guess that wont come back since it's all albums driven now. Not long ago i looked into vinyl and it costs around £1000 for me to get 500 copies of a 12" with 4 songs each side. That's the most basic labels on the record and a standard black or white jacket to house it in. I'm sure the big companies have the expense of getting their full colour covers and labels and full 25 minutes each side for far less money but only a few years ago it was aroun 30p for a 7" single and someone quoted around 62p for a 12" so it's not that expensive to make them if you are a big company with the finances. As far as the supermarkets go, my last memory of a supermarket selling vinyl was Asda in 1999 and I remember they had a shelf at the bottom below all the CD singles and cassettes and it was all 12" singles and i remember seeing Alice Deejay Better Off Alone there. Other than that i think it must have been around 1995 that Wet Wet Wet's Greatest Hits album at the time was in the local Tesco and i had to buy the cassette because i was always buying cassettes then but they had a good selection of LPs and not long before that RS McColls, i don't know if you get them in England but i remember when i was buying cassettes in there they had an entire shelf dedicated to 7" singles and entire bottom shelf for 12" singles and albums aswell as tapes and CDS and VHS and the one thing I remember most was they had a wall of VHS tapes and half was chart stuff like movies and the other half was concerts and the last thing i remember buying there was the U2 Hold Me Kiss Me Kill Me Thrill Me single from the Batman Forever movie so that must be around 1994ish. I got that on tape. Concerts must have been popular then! So it's not really been that long since supermarkets have had records in their shops. |
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Is this meant to be a joke? In which case, consider me taken in. For a company in trouble, I'll give it six months, if that, before this 'experiment', as it'll no doubt be called after the fact, is cancelled due to lack of sales. Tesco seem to be jumping onto the vinyl 'bandwagon', as DS call it (although how can it be a bandwagon if Tesco are the first of their kind to do it?
) on the basis that:In the last year we began selling record decks in our largest stores and initial sales are very encouraging, so giving our customers some new vinyl to play on those decks seems like the logical next step. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...ock-vinyl.html Tesco could stock any 'retro' kit, whether music players or video game consoles, and I have no doubt 'initial' sales would indeed be good, however, once the trying-to-recapture-their-youth impulse buyers have all bought one, that'll be that. No purist would be seen dead buying from Tesco, no new-generation kids will be interested when there's more modern tech, and the recapturing-their-youth mob will soon concede that, actually, MP3's are cheaper, more convenient and easier to manage. Technology moves on for a reason. Rarely to never does it make a commercially viable comeback. |
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Is this meant to be a joke? In which case, consider me taken in. For a company in trouble, I'll give it six months, if that, before this 'experiment', as it'll no doubt be called after the fact, is cancelled due to lack of sales. Tesco seem to be jumping onto the vinyl 'bandwagon', as DS call it (although how can it be a bandwagon if Tesco are the first of their kind to do it?
) on the basis that:In the last year we began selling record decks in our largest stores and initial sales are very encouraging, so giving our customers some new vinyl to play on those decks seems like the logical next step. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...ock-vinyl.html Tesco could stock any 'retro' kit, whether music players or video game consoles, and I have no doubt 'initial' sales would indeed be good, however, once the trying-to-recapture-their-youth impulse buyers have all bought one, that'll be that. No purist would be seen dead buying from Tesco, no new-generation kids will be interested when there's more modern tech, and the recapturing-their-youth mob will soon concede that, actually, MP3's are cheaper, more convenient and easier to manage. Technology moves on for a reason. Rarely to never does it make a commercially viable comeback. In your opinion. |
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As someone who has been buying vinyl for a number of years now, why would i not want to buy from Tesco? OK maybe all the years i was buying it there maybe wasn't great sales figures. Maybe it was no match for CDs and downloads but it was still there. People seem to think that it's all about collectors and people buying it for the sake of putting it on their wall, it's never went anywhere. It's not an old format that has CAME BACK, it never went away.
And the irony here is yes it is selling more since 1995 and America has sold the most vinyl since 1990 but CDs still sell more. Purists are just that, they do hold themselves in higher regard. They are welcome to the indie stores. By all means by AC/DC and Beatles and Bob Marley albums, go ahead, go and spend £30 on them. I'd rather spend £5 on a 12" single of a song i just heard on the radio and can't get out of my head. I'd like to think most people that MIGHT buy vinyl in Tesco are like that just like HMV are just now and just like Virgin and Tower Records did when they were around. And yes mp3 is more convenient, not the same sound quality as CD or a record but yes it's cheap. It's disposable. The internet is full of them. They're very easy to get. Any song you want but some people prefer buying music they can hold and touch, not an invisible file. Soon everyone will be streaming. And that will be your music collection and your movie collection and your TV show collection. You'll switch your TV on, you'll get your app, put your password in and it'll all be there but you'll still have people that want something physical. That want something they can hold rather than paying for something that is invisible and is easily duplicated and that millions have access to for free. Forget records for a second, that's why people still buy CDs and DVDs. There's no reason to. Everyone knows it's there for the taking but you still have people that want to PAY money. Records are just the same as those formats. You have people that want to listen to music in that way and they want to pay money the honest way. It's just that is their way of listening. No different than someone listening to the radio or streaming or buying a CD. It's just a way of accessing the music. And you only really need one record player/turntable. If people started buying them in Tesco and Tesco released one album per week on vinyl and you had people that every week went there and maybe spent the £10 or £20 on that album, isn't that a good thing? That person building their own record collection and every week having something different to listen to or look forward to. No different than people buying CDs every week. |
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As someone who has been buying vinyl for a number of years now, why would i not want to buy from Tesco? OK maybe all the years i was buying it there maybe wasn't great sales figures. Maybe it was no match for CDs and downloads but it was still there. People seem to think that it's all about collectors and people buying it for the sake of putting it on their wall, it's never went anywhere. It's not an old format that has CAME BACK, it never went away.
<snip> As I said, technology moves on and people move on to the next thing, and as a general rule, once something is largely superceded in the mainstream, as vinyl was with CD and as CD almost is with downloads (I give CD less than five more years), it hardly ever has enough public impetus to make a mainstream comeback. Much as I applaud Tesco's effort, I'll be surprised if they're still doing it in six months. |
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What will Tesco's next move be ?, Bringing back powdered eggs and Hostess Trolleys.
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I've been buying vinyl records for over 40 years but I don't think I've ever seen them in a supermarket.
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The reason i would go to Tesco over an HMV is because I would have hoped that Tesco would sell them at a cheaper price and obviously £24 isn't cheap.
Up until 2010 I was buying singles. I was paying £2.99 for a 7" single. £4.99 for a 12" single. Now i know in 2010 singles were on their last legs and of course now the only place to buy CD singles is from Germany where they still sell well through Amazon or Ebay and obviously record labels sell them through artists webstores so they can basically make the amount they need. Put a CD single or 7" or 12" up for preorder, order the amount they need and when they are sold that's it. Now again, it's not big business, it's not millions of £s but it's still something they can do to make a profit. The advantage of the Tesco thing FOR ME is that I was always a big singles buyer. I was never a huge album buyer, i still am not especially now that vinyl is popular again and the prices have sky rocketed. What i would hope to get from this is maybe it takes off and maybe some of the bigger record labels give Tesco some singles or some album exclusives and they sell them cheap. I know that probably wont happen but that's what i hope will happen because i would imagine most people shopping in Tesco, especially for music, would want current music, music that is in the charts. For me, that is where a Tesco could trump HMV because HMV only sell what they are given. I know technology will move on but vinyl was always a cheap format to make. I'm surprised the Iron Maiden album is out this week on vinyl. Most albums on vinyl are 3 months behind the CD version. Literally every pressing plant in the world is backed up with orders whereas before this "boom" happened there was never these problems. One of the bigger labels said it would have been no problem to order a few thousand copies of a single or album and have it done that day or we need 1000 copies of something quickly to send to reviewers and it's done. Now everything is backed up for months and no one is willing to spend the money on new machines, they're still using machines from the 70's. It could be a good or bad thing. i've nothing against people buying them as collector items but for me it was always just a way of listening to music. Now the people have killed the physical singles market, it's all Itunes and MP3s so i pretty much need to buy albums if i want something and even then i usually wait a while for the price to drop right down. I like the boom, i like people getting behind it again but i'd much prefer it the way it used to be where i could spend a tenner and come home with 2 or 3 singles. And i'm not someone remembering their childhood 30 years ago or 40 years ago, i'm talking up until 5 years ago. They might not have made millions, it might not have been in any way important to anyone at any record company but it had a purpose for people like me and i suppose DJS. |
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As I said, technology moves on and people move on to the next thing, and as a general rule, once something is largely superceded in the mainstream, as vinyl was with CD and as CD almost is with downloads (I give CD less than five more years), it hardly ever has enough public impetus to make a mainstream comeback. Much as I applaud Tesco's effort, I'll be surprised if they're still doing it in six months.
There is no doubt that for the music genres that make up the singles charts these days physical sales have pretty much fallen of a cliff and download sales dominate. However such a dramatic fall hasn't been matched by similar percentage declines in other music genres. I read an interview with the head of Roadrunner not so long ago who said that whilst sales have fallen for them the decline is in the order of low single figure percentages, not the double-digit decline others have reported. I can only talk about what I know and certainly Rock music fans, especially the Hard Rock/Heavy Metal end of the spectrum, very much prefer the physical medium and as they tend also to be "completists", if they find a new band they like they will often then go searching out their back catalogue, so helping to maintain sales. |
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When you think of how cheap it is for us, the public to buy blank cds, imagine how much it costs them to make CDS. It must literally cost them pennies to make a CD with the CD case and booklet. They make plenty of profit off them which is why i think they will sell them for many years to come.
It's not like it costs £5 to make an album and then you sell it to shops for £7 and they sell it for £10. They make plenty of money off CDs. |
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When you think of how cheap it is for us, the public to buy blank cds, imagine how much it costs them to make CDS. It must literally cost them pennies to make a CD with the CD case and booklet. They make plenty of profit off them which is why i think they will sell them for many years to come.
It's not like it costs £5 to make an album and then you sell it to shops for £7 and they sell it for £10. They make plenty of money off CDs. (I should clarify, I'm not a Cyrus fan, but was reading about it the other day so had the figure in mind.) |
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When you think of how cheap it is for us, the public to buy blank cds, imagine how much it costs them to make CDS. It must literally cost them pennies to make a CD with the CD case and booklet. They make plenty of profit off them which is why i think they will sell them for many years to come.
It's not like it costs £5 to make an album and then you sell it to shops for £7 and they sell it for £10. They make plenty of money off CDs. You're paying for the music, not the disk and case. |
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The cost comes from production costs for making the music, not from the actual CD. Production of the music, including promotion especially for major names, can run into the millions.
You're paying for the music, not the disk and case. Everyone from the sleeve designer to the mastering engineer, from the producer to the studio cleaner (not always the same person) needs to get paid. Even if the band is stinking rich (which they probably aren't) , the janitor won't be willing or able to work for free. |
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It's quite strange that people think the only costs incurred in releasing an album are the manufacturing costs of the media.
Everyone from the sleeve designer to the mastering engineer, from the producer to the studio cleaner (not always the same person) needs to get paid. Even if the band is stinking rich (which they probably aren't) , the janitor won't be willing or able to work for free. Don't forget the cost of the ladies stuffing records into the album covers. http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/...s3rmr08f2.jpeg |
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It's quite strange that people think the only costs incurred in releasing an album are the manufacturing costs of the media.
Everyone from the sleeve designer to the mastering engineer, from the producer to the studio cleaner (not always the same person) needs to get paid. Even if the band is stinking rich (which they probably aren't) , the janitor won't be willing or able to work for free. |
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The cost comes from production costs for making the music, not from the actual CD. Production of the music, including promotion especially for major names, can run into the millions.
You're paying for the music, not the disk and case.
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This is true.
Don't forget the cost of the ladies stuffing records into the album covers. http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/...s3rmr08f2.jpeg |
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vinyl is coming back.
the internet wont last/ i give it a year. emails will be gone. the postman will rise again p.s it doesn't cost millions to make a album. |
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Wimin's work, apparently.
It looks like it's the Beatles Rubber Soul album |
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Not sure about this. You just know their selection will be woeful. It's hard to beat the independent record stores (the few that are still around).
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I disagree. I have had many angry words with store owners because my opinion is that because i like popular music and want to buy popular music i'm somehow not the type that goes shopping in independant record stores when the truth is they look down on popular music. They would rather stock a 12" of a band no one has heard of and charge £15 for it. I'd rather buy Demi Lovato's Cool For The Summer 7" and the new David Guetta single and get change back off that £15. Do you think those indie stores would sell those Demi Lovato or David Guetta singles? No chance. Therefore they don't get my money.
Like I said. the last time i saw vinyl in supermarkets was 1999 in Asda. Ironically enough music in 1999 was much better than it is today infact everything was better back then. Life was better back then. And while you might think the selection will be woeful, i'm willing to bet the releases they stock will be artists people have actually heard of. |
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I disagree. I have had many angry words with store owners because my opinion is that because i like popular music and want to buy popular music i'm somehow not the type that goes shopping in independant record stores when the truth is they look down on popular music. They would rather stock a 12" of a band no one has heard of and charge £15 for it. I'd rather buy Demi Lovato's Cool For The Summer 7" and the new David Guetta single and get change back off that £15. Do you think those indie stores would sell those Demi Lovato or David Guetta singles? No chance. Therefore they don't get my money.
Like I said. the last time i saw vinyl in supermarkets was 1999 in Asda. Ironically enough music in 1999 was much better than it is today infact everything was better back then. Life was better back then. And while you might think the selection will be woeful, i'm willing to bet the releases they stock will be artists people have actually heard of. The internet has killed off a lot of different kinds of musical stores. unless a business has an on-line facility, it's an uphill struggle. Same with musical instrument shops, the independents are going, we're left with Dawsons, or similar, whose range of brass and reed instruments is pathetic. Same with sheet music. I used to buy mine from a shop in Albert Square in Manchester called Music Exchange. Even twenty years ago the availability of popular songs was patchy, it was complicated by the fact that they needed to have it available in C, Bb and Eb to satisfy the demand for different instruments. That shop has long gone. For years I've been buying music on-line from "Music Notes." Choose your tune, chose the key you want it in (any key) pay your money, half the price of store-bought sheet music, download it and print it off. Digressing a bit, when I was buying jazz LPs in my teens, they cost the equivalent today, of around forty quid! |
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