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Jenna has a point about the Americans and the task.
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Forever Changes
02-09-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“As someone who's from neither the UK or the USA, I think it's borderline xenophobic.

The entire narration; the way Emma announced it and the crowd received it. The whole thing is just driven to stir up ill feeling towards the US housemates - down to the US housemates they selected.

It stinks to high heaven.”

no I think this series is offensive for different reasons. It has a whiff of anti-UKIP, anti-Britishness

I think the whole thing should be axed before it starts to become a political minefield
Randysback
02-09-2015
Originally Posted by Mrs Simpson:
“It doesn't really work like that though, does it? Americans quite like Brits. I've lived here for 30 years, and I don't actually know many Brits who like Americans. It's a very weird CBB theme, to say the least. Designed to make hatred concrete, I think.”

Actually we don`t hate Americans.. but their government are gonna kill us all the way they behave. So when it comes to `hate`.. that`s where it`s at.
An Thropologist
02-09-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“As someone who's from neither the UK or the USA, I think it's borderline xenophobic.

The entire narration; the way Emma announced it and the crowd received it. The whole thing is just driven to stir up ill feeling towards the US housemates - down to the US housemates they selected.

It stinks to high heaven.”

I am uncomfortable with it too Patsy and was even when the series was trailed. I don't like people being set up against each other and drawing them up along national lines feels jingoistic. Every time there is a reference to "The Americans" or "The British" I cringe.

Having said that there is enough material in terms of individual behaviours and interpersonal relationships to satisfy my fascination for the human lab rat.
Randysback
02-09-2015
I just hope the Americans don`t find Oil in the Pantry or they might invade us..
strato222
02-09-2015
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“ I don't like people being set up against each other and drawing them up along national lines feels jingoistic.”

Do you feel the same way about sports? The housemates should know that this is just a game.
An Thropologist
02-09-2015
Originally Posted by strato222:
“Do you feel the same way about sports? The housemates should know that this is just a game.”

Not as much but at times yes. The build up to the World Cup for example I find excruciating or an Ashes series for example. Don't get me wrong I am as keen as the next person to see a home win. I will sit and will Andy Murray on to victory and be disappointed if he loses, I was as proud as anybody with each and every Olympic medal, England wining the Rugby World Cup was one of the best things I ever saw and I would love England to win the world cup.. But I do get uncomfortable if it gets inflated and there are shades of we are better than them/you.
coke_pepper
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“The Americans are getting most air time because they are about a million times more entertainment the dull dud British housemates.

It's also interesting seeing the Americans being forced to act like servants. If they hadn't beaten us in the second world war they would all be serving us like royalty.”

What are you talking about. Please tell me you don't really believe that?
Forever Changes
03-09-2015
let's face it, if it weren't for the Americans we'd all be living under Nazi occupation now
Kromm
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“It's also interesting seeing the Americans being forced to act like servants. If they hadn't beaten us in the second world war they would all be serving us like royalty.”

Hmm. Could you please refer me to that the history book you had in school? I'm sure it's very entertaining.
coke_pepper
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by Forever Changes:
“let's face it, if it weren't for the Americans we'd all be living under Nazi occupation now”

Learn some history ffs. Hitlers lot headed East to overthrow the Russians and ended up in a quagmire leaving his depleted and ill equipped forces wide open. They were doomed to fail regardless. Did you not take history at school?
Heatherbell
03-09-2015
I thought it was unfair too. Until tonight .
Come on guys , the USA now have the power in their hands regarding the task , now that they have the secret twist to agitate the Brits and break them down .
For me this twist puts the Americans in power while the Brits don't even realise they are being pissed on . Level playing field now .
Kromm
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by coke_pepper:
“Learn some history ffs. Hitler headed East to overthrow the Russians and ended up in a quagmire leaving his depleted and ill equipped forces wide open. They were doomed to fail regardless. Did you not take history at school?”

It's almost like someone thinks WWI was the War of American Independence and WWII was the 1812 War.

Wow.
Heatherbell
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by Forever Changes:
“let's face it, if it weren't for the Americans we'd all be living under Nazi occupation now”

I'm sorry , not to be rude , but that is one of the funniest statements I've read on the forum.
Inaccurate to say the least .
Forever Changes
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by coke_pepper:
“Learn some history ffs. Hitlers lot headed East to overthrow the Russians and ended up in a quagmire leaving his depleted and ill equipped forces wide open. They were doomed to fail regardless. Did you not take history at school?”

I have a degree in history actually. Hitler certainly overstretched himself by fighting on two fronts, but without American support on D-Day we would never have beaten Germany. FACT

something jingoistic Brits don't want to admit
connor the judg
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by Forever Changes:
“I have a degree in history actually”

Very worrying.
Forever Changes
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by Kromm:
“It's almost like someone thinks WWI was the War of American Independence and WWII was the 1812 War.

Wow.”

the US saved us in WWI as well.
coke_pepper
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by Forever Changes:
“I have a degree in history actually. Hitler certainly overstretched himself by fighting on two fronts, but without American support on D-Day we would never have beaten Germany. FACT

something jingoistic Brits don't want to admit ”

Putting FACT at the end of a sentence does not make you right. The German war machine was well and truly broken by the Red Army degree or no degree.
Kromm
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by Forever Changes:
“I have a degree in history actually. Hitler certainly overstretched himself by fighting on two fronts, but without American support on D-Day we would never have beaten Germany. FACT

something jingoistic Brits don't want to admit ”

If the US had remained neutral, or engaged only with the Japanese, then England, and probably all of Britain, would have fallen. The Russians may have eventually beaten Hitler on the other front, but it would have been too late to stop the defeat of the allies in the west. It would have been a long slog to eject them from the conquered part of Europe and Britain, and likely never would have happened at all (and if it had, the Germans would have slaughtered most of the population of England at the very least, and been in guerrilla type combat elsewhere in Britain for years).
coke_pepper
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by Kromm:
“If the US had remained neutral, or engaged only with the Japanese, then England, and probably all of Britain, would have fallen. The Russians may have eventually beaten Hitler on the other front, but it would have been too late to stop the defeat of the allies in the west. It would have been a long slog to eject them from the conquered part of Europe and Britain, and likely never would have happened at all (and if it had, the Germans would have slaughtered most of the population of England at the very least, and been in guerrilla type combat elsewhere in Britain for years).”

His forces were depleted on both sides. East and West. He had already attempted an invasion of our shores by air, withdrawing (luckily for us) at a critical moment, not realising the RAF was spent. I doubt very much his second attempt with depleted forces and armoury would have gone much better regardless. The fact remains we would NOT be living under nazi occupation at this time if the Americans had remained neutral.
Randysback
03-09-2015
To save any more arguments.. When Americans say "if it wasn't for us you'd all be talking German" actually we all have the Russians to thank more than America. They punched way more holes in the German army than America.

Oh and thanks to America there's a big vacuum in the middle East that threatens world peace.. Sadaam Hussain would never have let there be an Isis.. And the same goes for Gaddafi.
An Thropologist
03-09-2015
I thought I had taken a wrong turn and accidentally found my way into a GD thread.
Kromm
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by Randysback:
“To save any more arguments.. When Americans say "if it wasn't for us you'd all be talking German".”

I'm curious if you've ever been in a room with an American and heard them say that.

Perhaps you've heard some over the top pundit or politician say it on television and mistaken it for what's "typical". A lesson. If you've heard, lets say... Donald Trump say it? Ignore it.

At the very least if someone was making an academic argument, it wouldn't have that air of arrogance you are putting on it. Saying that Britain wouldn't have been able to hold off a German invasion is NOT the same thing as saying what you are saying. The Americans didn't do what they did for any kind of selfless reason, and only someone with an axe to grind would make the mere historical arguments into some declaration of American arrogance rather than a simple debate over deployment of forces.
Alrightmate
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by Flower Pot:
“isnt it because theyre still under uk rule because bobby davro beat janice in the opening task?”

It wasn't explained at all on the show.
Bobby relinquished his Prime Minister role before Paul Burrell entered the house, so going by the logic of what we've been shown that part looked to be over.
SegaGamer
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“As someone who's from neither the UK or the USA, I think it's borderline xenophobic.

The entire narration; the way Emma announced it and the crowd received it. The whole thing is just driven to stir up ill feeling towards the US housemates - down to the US housemates they selected.

It stinks to high heaven.”

It's nothing serious you know, it's just fun and game for goodness sake.
Kromm
03-09-2015
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“It's nothing serious you know, it's just fun and game for goodness sake.”

A lot of stupid rubbish has been unleashed on the world with that excuse. Dumbing us down shouldn't be an excuse for anything going.
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