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Old 15-09-2015, 07:30
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Pretty much any youngish actress is going to have had some training.
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Old 15-09-2015, 08:10
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Pretty much any youngish actress is going to have had some training.
There are also men in the line up who have had plenty of previous dance experience but as usual it's only the women that people mention.
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Old 15-09-2015, 11:16
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There are also men in the line up who have had plenty of previous dance experience but as usual it's only the women that people mention.
To be fair, this thread is about a specific celeb, and was prompted by a newspaper article on said celeb, so why would the men (or any of the other women, come to that) be mentioned?

As far as I'm concerned, previous experience isn't an issue, it's playing it down that is the issue. As DVO found out to her cost. I'd rather that people were open about it, which hopefully, Helen will be when it comes to speaking to the media and speaking on the show.
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Old 15-09-2015, 11:25
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She did a degree in musical theatre, didn't she? It would be a surprise if that didn't include some dance classes.

Actors claim all kinds of expertise on their CVs. Sword fighting, horse riding, accents, singing. If they did a class in it, or tried it out once, it'll make it onto the CV as a 'skill'.

Anyway, if she has some basics in a few styles and some proper experience in ballet, I'm looking forward to seeing how she builds on that. She could be good to watch.
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Old 15-09-2015, 11:31
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There are also men in the line up who have had plenty of previous dance experience but as usual it's only the women that people mention.
Peter and Jay's 'previous' has been widely discussed in other threads.

It's just a fact of life that most young girls will have taken some dance classes (an aspiring actress almost certainly), while most young boys will not.
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Old 15-09-2015, 11:33
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Pretty much any youngish actress is going to have had some training.
True.

Anyone who goes to stage school has dance as part of their curriculum. It does not mean they'll be any good at it. It's not proper training either - just a smattering of different styles.

Tap will not give you any ballroom skills whatsoever, and neither will jazz/contemporary unless you have an innate talent and take serious training. Ballet is the only formal training that has real impact. But you have to be good at that too and few are.
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Old 15-09-2015, 11:34
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Nice PR angle. Should work well in their favour. Good press strategy.
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Old 15-09-2015, 12:04
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True.

Anyone who goes to stage school has dance as part of their curriculum. It does not mean they'll be any good at it. It's not proper training either - just a smattering of different styles.

Tap will not give you any ballroom skills whatsoever, and neither will jazz/contemporary unless you have an innate talent and take serious training. Ballet is the only formal training that has real impact. But you have to be good at that too and few are.
Agree with all you say. And stage schools tend to train in the type of dance needed for musicals - basically the ability to pick up choreography and move to music. They seldom, if ever, teach ballroom or technical Latin.

As for ballet : a lot of serious Latin dancers take ballet classes, as it teaches them poise, etc. But ballet can be a disadvantage for ballroom dancers as it teaches 'feet turned out', whereas ballroom needs feet 'facing front'.
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Old 15-09-2015, 13:05
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Peter and Jay's 'previous' has been widely discussed in other threads.

It's just a fact of life that most young girls will have taken some dance classes (an aspiring actress almost certainly), while most young boys will not.
Anyone, male or female, who has attended any type of stage school will have had some degree of dancing lessons. Whilst I appreciate this particular thread is about Helen I never understand why forums, newspapers, etc make so much fuss about the female participants' previous experience but merely gloss over the male participants' previous experience. The Mail has already done an article on Helens experience, yet not a word on Jays.
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Old 15-09-2015, 13:59
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I've only seen one interview with Jay so far, I think in the Metro but I might be wrong, and he brought up his previous dancing quite clearly in one of his answers. I think after Caroline won (and to an extent Abby as her first dance was always held up as one of her best) I don't think this argument that the voters won't vote for a woman with previous dance experience holds up any more. If people take to Helen (or whoever) they won't care. If people don't like her they may take her previous ballet as an excuse to have it in for her, but that's not the same as it being the reason.

According to Popbitch people can buy good coverage in the Mail, so presumably Helen hasn't coughed up. Good for her.
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Old 15-09-2015, 14:09
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Am I the only one to get the toe curling twitches at the phrase 'bromance'
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Old 15-09-2015, 14:59
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Anyone, male or female, who has attended any type of stage school will have had some degree of dancing lessons. Whilst I appreciate this particular thread is about Helen I never understand why forums, newspapers, etc make so much fuss about the female participants' previous experience but merely gloss over the male participants' previous experience. The Mail has already done an article on Helens experience, yet not a word on Jays.
I don't agree that discussion forums gloss over the men's experience. The Daily Mail, on the other hand, is a mysogynist's dream.

I do think - as a very broad generalisation - some posters on forums are much more critical of female contestants, but it's not limited to their dance experience. 😒
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Old 15-09-2015, 15:51
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Nice PR angle. Should work well in their favour. Good press strategy.
Well it's Daniel's interview and I doubt Daniel needs a PR machine behind him when he has such a huge fan base already . It stands to reason that some of the celebs will possibly bond and gravitate toward each other . I think it's lovely that he is happy to admit to a bromance , many men would find it hard to admit in case it was misinterpreted .
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Old 15-09-2015, 16:00
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Sorry if ypu have read this article previous however I have just read a Daily Mail article via Google claiming that Helen's CV says that she has already done some Jazz and Jive ballroom skills as well as the Ballet that she previously only admitted too.
I've seen reference to that , but it doesn't bother me too much to be honest . The fact is you can have training in lots of things, but still not be great at it . Like I've been to knitting classes , but I'm not that great at it, I just wing it and manage basic knits while others in the class have gone on to create masterpieces with just the same training as me . Little lasses can be doing ballet lessons from age 3 until their late teens but still not be a prima ballerina .
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Old 15-09-2015, 16:01
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Am I the only one to get the toe curling twitches at the phrase 'bromance'
It's the first time I've ever heard it used in reference to a threeway, I'll give them that.
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Old 15-09-2015, 16:48
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I think after Caroline won (and to an extent Abby as her first dance was always held up as one of her best) I don't think this argument that the voters won't vote for a woman with previous dance experience holds up any more.
Of course, Abbey was up against the biggest ringer the show had ever seen, and the suggestions of Caroline having previous dance training were limited to a few articles in the Mail in the week leading up to the final.
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Old 15-09-2015, 16:54
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not really bothered either

just be honest from the start

if you have experience, admit to it
Natalie admitted it from the start and was slaughtered for it.
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Old 15-09-2015, 17:00
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I've seen reference to that , but it doesn't bother me too much to be honest . The fact is you can have training in lots of things, but still not be great at it . Like I've been to knitting classes , but I'm not that great at it, I just wing it and manage basic knits while others in the class have gone on to create masterpieces with just the same training as me . Little lasses can be doing ballet lessons from age 3 until their late teens but still not be a prima ballerina .
I agree. I don't think it's inconsistent with what she has said anyway; Jazz is part of a traditional background, along with ballet etc. She's probably dabbled a bit with other styles. Helen mentioned that she has "stiff hips" and so may find a lot of the Latin dances challenging.

Having a background can work against you anyway; Ali and Cherie were elegant, but they couldn't do fast Latin at all.
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Old 15-09-2015, 18:15
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Well it's Daniel's interview and I doubt Daniel needs a PR machine behind him when he has such a huge fan base already . It stands to reason that some of the celebs will possibly bond and gravitate toward each other . I think it's lovely that he is happy to admit to a bromance , many men would find it hard to admit in case it was misinterpreted .
Yeah, I know how it works. Everyone in the public eye needs and uses PR - whatever stage they are at. It happens to be my field of expertise. When you do it every day you tend to know what is real and what is a 'lovely little story'.

Not saying it's not clever. His fans will adore it and so will the GBP - who do NOT know what goes on in the background.
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Old 15-09-2015, 18:17
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Am I the only one to get the toe curling twitches at the phrase 'bromance'
No. It's very naff. It's also ridiculously self conscious!

Ugh!
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Old 15-09-2015, 18:23
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Natalie admitted it from the start and was slaughtered for it.
She was a target for a lot of grossly unfair and biased views. Horrible stuff

She was also hated for an acting role she played - just because people did not like the character she portrayed. Talk about stupid.

But then some of the general public are frankly mad as a box of frogs when they have favourites - and the rest are just normal, nice people who like to be entertained.
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Old 15-09-2015, 18:57
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Yeah, I know how it works. Everyone in the public eye needs and uses PR - whatever stage they are at. It happens to be my field of expertise. When you do it every day you tend to know what is real and what is a 'lovely little story'.

Not saying it's not clever. His fans will adore it and so will the GBP - who do NOT know what goes on in the background.
Fair enough . Personally I don't mind a bit of positive spin and prefer it to bitching and kiss and tell articles . I'm too soft I suppose .
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Old 16-09-2015, 09:11
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Just read an article via Google on The Mirror website saying that Katie Price has secret plans to overshadow Peter's Strictly gig by planning her own reality show at the end of the year as she fears the he will become a national treasure and as a result she wishes to take the spotlight away from him and gain back for herself.
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Old 16-09-2015, 09:15
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Apparently according to the Mirror Anthony has been given ban's by Oti whilst he is doing the show.
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Old 16-09-2015, 09:17
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Sorry the story is a couple of days old catching up on news at the moment.
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