Pretty much any youngish actress is going to have had some training.
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Originally Posted by EyeballEyeball:
“Pretty much any youngish actress is going to have had some training.”
“Pretty much any youngish actress is going to have had some training.”
There are also men in the line up who have had plenty of previous dance experience but as usual it's only the women that people mention.
Originally Posted by Kat 68:
“There are also men in the line up who have had plenty of previous dance experience but as usual it's only the women that people mention.”
“There are also men in the line up who have had plenty of previous dance experience but as usual it's only the women that people mention.”
To be fair, this thread is about a specific celeb, and was prompted by a newspaper article on said celeb, so why would the men (or any of the other women, come to that) be mentioned?
As far as I'm concerned, previous experience isn't an issue, it's playing it down that is the issue. As DVO found out to her cost. I'd rather that people were open about it, which hopefully, Helen will be when it comes to speaking to the media and speaking on the show.
She did a degree in musical theatre, didn't she? It would be a surprise if that didn't include some dance classes.
Actors claim all kinds of expertise on their CVs. Sword fighting, horse riding, accents, singing. If they did a class in it, or tried it out once, it'll make it onto the CV as a 'skill'.
Anyway, if she has some basics in a few styles and some proper experience in ballet, I'm looking forward to seeing how she builds on that. She could be good to watch.
Actors claim all kinds of expertise on their CVs. Sword fighting, horse riding, accents, singing. If they did a class in it, or tried it out once, it'll make it onto the CV as a 'skill'.
Anyway, if she has some basics in a few styles and some proper experience in ballet, I'm looking forward to seeing how she builds on that. She could be good to watch.
Originally Posted by Kat 68:
“There are also men in the line up who have had plenty of previous dance experience but as usual it's only the women that people mention.”
“There are also men in the line up who have had plenty of previous dance experience but as usual it's only the women that people mention.”
Peter and Jay's 'previous' has been widely discussed in other threads.
It's just a fact of life that most young girls will have taken some dance classes (an aspiring actress almost certainly), while most young boys will not.
Originally Posted by EyeballEyeball:
“Pretty much any youngish actress is going to have had some training.”
“Pretty much any youngish actress is going to have had some training.”
True.
Anyone who goes to stage school has dance as part of their curriculum. It does not mean they'll be any good at it. It's not proper training either - just a smattering of different styles.
Tap will not give you any ballroom skills whatsoever, and neither will jazz/contemporary unless you have an innate talent and take serious training. Ballet is the only formal training that has real impact. But you have to be good at that too and few are.
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“True.
Anyone who goes to stage school has dance as part of their curriculum. It does not mean they'll be any good at it. It's not proper training either - just a smattering of different styles.
Tap will not give you any ballroom skills whatsoever, and neither will jazz/contemporary unless you have an innate talent and take serious training. Ballet is the only formal training that has real impact. But you have to be good at that too and few are.”
“True.
Anyone who goes to stage school has dance as part of their curriculum. It does not mean they'll be any good at it. It's not proper training either - just a smattering of different styles.
Tap will not give you any ballroom skills whatsoever, and neither will jazz/contemporary unless you have an innate talent and take serious training. Ballet is the only formal training that has real impact. But you have to be good at that too and few are.”
Agree with all you say. And stage schools tend to train in the type of dance needed for musicals - basically the ability to pick up choreography and move to music. They seldom, if ever, teach ballroom or technical Latin.
As for ballet : a lot of serious Latin dancers take ballet classes, as it teaches them poise, etc. But ballet can be a disadvantage for ballroom dancers as it teaches 'feet turned out', whereas ballroom needs feet 'facing front'.
Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“Peter and Jay's 'previous' has been widely discussed in other threads.
It's just a fact of life that most young girls will have taken some dance classes (an aspiring actress almost certainly), while most young boys will not.”
“Peter and Jay's 'previous' has been widely discussed in other threads.
It's just a fact of life that most young girls will have taken some dance classes (an aspiring actress almost certainly), while most young boys will not.”
Anyone, male or female, who has attended any type of stage school will have had some degree of dancing lessons. Whilst I appreciate this particular thread is about Helen I never understand why forums, newspapers, etc make so much fuss about the female participants' previous experience but merely gloss over the male participants' previous experience. The Mail has already done an article on Helens experience, yet not a word on Jays.
I've only seen one interview with Jay so far, I think in the Metro but I might be wrong, and he brought up his previous dancing quite clearly in one of his answers. I think after Caroline won (and to an extent Abby as her first dance was always held up as one of her best) I don't think this argument that the voters won't vote for a woman with previous dance experience holds up any more. If people take to Helen (or whoever) they won't care. If people don't like her they may take her previous ballet as an excuse to have it in for her, but that's not the same as it being the reason.
According to Popbitch people can buy good coverage in the Mail, so presumably Helen hasn't coughed up. Good for her.
According to Popbitch people can buy good coverage in the Mail, so presumably Helen hasn't coughed up. Good for her.
Originally Posted by Kat 68:
“Anyone, male or female, who has attended any type of stage school will have had some degree of dancing lessons. Whilst I appreciate this particular thread is about Helen I never understand why forums, newspapers, etc make so much fuss about the female participants' previous experience but merely gloss over the male participants' previous experience. The Mail has already done an article on Helens experience, yet not a word on Jays.”
“Anyone, male or female, who has attended any type of stage school will have had some degree of dancing lessons. Whilst I appreciate this particular thread is about Helen I never understand why forums, newspapers, etc make so much fuss about the female participants' previous experience but merely gloss over the male participants' previous experience. The Mail has already done an article on Helens experience, yet not a word on Jays.”
I don't agree that discussion forums gloss over the men's experience. The Daily Mail, on the other hand, is a mysogynist's dream.
I do think - as a very broad generalisation - some posters on forums are much more critical of female contestants, but it's not limited to their dance experience. 😒
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Nice PR angle. Should work well in their favour. Good press strategy.
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“Nice PR angle. Should work well in their favour. Good press strategy.
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Well it's Daniel's interview and I doubt Daniel needs a PR machine behind him when he has such a huge fan base already . It stands to reason that some of the celebs will possibly bond and gravitate toward each other . I think it's lovely that he is happy to admit to a bromance , many men would find it hard to admit in case it was misinterpreted .
Originally Posted by Sarah_Jones5:
“Sorry if ypu have read this article previous however I have just read a Daily Mail article via Google claiming that Helen's CV says that she has already done some Jazz and Jive ballroom skills as well as the Ballet that she previously only admitted too.”
“Sorry if ypu have read this article previous however I have just read a Daily Mail article via Google claiming that Helen's CV says that she has already done some Jazz and Jive ballroom skills as well as the Ballet that she previously only admitted too.”
I've seen reference to that , but it doesn't bother me too much to be honest . The fact is you can have training in lots of things, but still not be great at it . Like I've been to knitting classes , but I'm not that great at it, I just wing it and manage basic knits while others in the class have gone on to create masterpieces with just the same training as me . Little lasses can be doing ballet lessons from age 3 until their late teens but still not be a prima ballerina .
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Am I the only one to get the toe curling twitches at the phrase 'bromance'
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“Am I the only one to get the toe curling twitches at the phrase 'bromance'
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It's the first time I've ever heard it used in reference to a threeway, I'll give them that.
Originally Posted by jtnorth:
“I think after Caroline won (and to an extent Abby as her first dance was always held up as one of her best) I don't think this argument that the voters won't vote for a woman with previous dance experience holds up any more.”
“I think after Caroline won (and to an extent Abby as her first dance was always held up as one of her best) I don't think this argument that the voters won't vote for a woman with previous dance experience holds up any more.”
Of course, Abbey was up against the biggest ringer the show had ever seen, and the suggestions of Caroline having previous dance training were limited to a few articles in the Mail in the week leading up to the final.
Originally Posted by katt:
“not really bothered either
just be honest from the start
if you have experience, admit to it”
“not really bothered either
just be honest from the start
if you have experience, admit to it”
Natalie admitted it from the start and was slaughtered for it.
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“I've seen reference to that , but it doesn't bother me too much to be honest . The fact is you can have training in lots of things, but still not be great at it . Like I've been to knitting classes , but I'm not that great at it, I just wing it and manage basic knits while others in the class have gone on to create masterpieces with just the same training as me . Little lasses can be doing ballet lessons from age 3 until their late teens but still not be a prima ballerina .”
“I've seen reference to that , but it doesn't bother me too much to be honest . The fact is you can have training in lots of things, but still not be great at it . Like I've been to knitting classes , but I'm not that great at it, I just wing it and manage basic knits while others in the class have gone on to create masterpieces with just the same training as me . Little lasses can be doing ballet lessons from age 3 until their late teens but still not be a prima ballerina .”
I agree. I don't think it's inconsistent with what she has said anyway; Jazz is part of a traditional background, along with ballet etc. She's probably dabbled a bit with other styles. Helen mentioned that she has "stiff hips" and so may find a lot of the Latin dances challenging.
Having a background can work against you anyway; Ali and Cherie were elegant, but they couldn't do fast Latin at all.
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Well it's Daniel's interview and I doubt Daniel needs a PR machine behind him when he has such a huge fan base already . It stands to reason that some of the celebs will possibly bond and gravitate toward each other . I think it's lovely that he is happy to admit to a bromance , many men would find it hard to admit in case it was misinterpreted .”
“Well it's Daniel's interview and I doubt Daniel needs a PR machine behind him when he has such a huge fan base already . It stands to reason that some of the celebs will possibly bond and gravitate toward each other . I think it's lovely that he is happy to admit to a bromance , many men would find it hard to admit in case it was misinterpreted .”
Yeah, I know how it works. Everyone in the public eye needs and uses PR - whatever stage they are at. It happens to be my field of expertise. When you do it every day you tend to know what is real and what is a 'lovely little story'.
Not saying it's not clever. His fans will adore it and so will the GBP - who do NOT know what goes on in the background.
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Am I the only one to get the toe curling twitches at the phrase 'bromance'”
“Am I the only one to get the toe curling twitches at the phrase 'bromance'
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No. It's very naff. It's also ridiculously self conscious!
Ugh!
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“Natalie admitted it from the start and was slaughtered for it.”
“Natalie admitted it from the start and was slaughtered for it.”
She was a target for a lot of grossly unfair and biased views. Horrible stuff
She was also hated for an acting role she played - just because people did not like the character she portrayed. Talk about stupid.
But then some of the general public are frankly mad as a box of frogs when they have favourites - and the rest are just normal, nice people who like to be entertained.
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Yeah, I know how it works. Everyone in the public eye needs and uses PR - whatever stage they are at. It happens to be my field of expertise. When you do it every day you tend to know what is real and what is a 'lovely little story'.
Not saying it's not clever. His fans will adore it and so will the GBP - who do NOT know what goes on in the background.”
“Yeah, I know how it works. Everyone in the public eye needs and uses PR - whatever stage they are at. It happens to be my field of expertise. When you do it every day you tend to know what is real and what is a 'lovely little story'.
Not saying it's not clever. His fans will adore it and so will the GBP - who do NOT know what goes on in the background.”
Fair enough . Personally I don't mind a bit of positive spin and prefer it to bitching and kiss and tell articles . I'm too soft I suppose .
Just read an article via Google on The Mirror website saying that Katie Price has secret plans to overshadow Peter's Strictly gig by planning her own reality show at the end of the year as she fears the he will become a national treasure and as a result she wishes to take the spotlight away from him and gain back for herself.
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