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Natasha Started That Argument... Yet Again They Edited It Out
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patsylimerick
08-09-2015
I didn't even watch last night. If I get a chance I might catch up today but, going on previous experience:

Austin and Natasha are the least likeable and sneakiest characters in there and were bitching about Farrah before they'd even once spoken to her.

The editing on the night of the wardrobe incident was shockingly biased.

The entire premise of the show (from selecting Gail, Sherrie and Chloe versus Janice, Jenna and Farrah - really?!?!?) is to show the UK hms are mild-mannered sweethearts and the Americans are screeching harpies. No matter what happens - that's the storyline that's being followed here.

It's hilarious.
Derbyshire.
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by ultros:
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It's a disgrace!!! ”

Calm down dear its only a trashy tv show no more real than jeremy kyle get a bit of perspective.
Scarlet O'Hara
08-09-2015
I don't think it's unreasonable for Natasha to complain about Jenna taking control of the food situation. Clearly from what we did see, Jenna believes her team had not just the right to control the budget but even that the Brits should be grateful they're getting to eat it. Why shouldn't someone react to that level of dominance and divisiveness?

That argument wouldn't have got off the ground if Jenna hadn't been so aggressive and domineering, calling people "mother*****s" and telling them to back off while at the same time saying she wasn't angry (m'kay). She DID have a shitty attitude and Natasha was bold to call her on it cos Jenna is intimidating. James walked out because she talked over him (Ive watched it twice and he could barely get a word out before Jenna got really arsey with him, which led Natasha to feel isolated) and Scoop started shouting because he couldn't get a word in either (which Natasha was right to walk away from; by that point she probably felt rattled by Jenna mouthing off, Farrah piping up from the corner and now Scoop shouting his head off).

Jenna seems to feed off negativity IMO. She looks for ways to be pissed off. She was straight into the kitchen complaining when Bobby said her wine had been opened. And you only had to see her weird little dance while Farrah and Natasha were in full flow to see that she loves a good ruck. So editing or not, whether someone else makes an opening salvo or not, if Jenna is involved and her acolyte is around, fur's gonna fly.
peterstone
08-09-2015
If I was in there I'd be tucking into the kosher wine as soon as it arrived.

Tough luck.
What name??
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by peterstone:
“If I was in there I'd be tucking into the kosher wine as soon as it arrived.

Tough luck.”

And that's why the Brits can't be trusted with the food or wine ordering. They won't be fair.

even last week when they had the luxury good and the servants got scraps they didn't want the others to get much. And it's the same again. Greedy and incapable of sharing
Stellen11
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by Derbyshire.:
“Calm down dear its only a trashy tv show no more real than jeremy kyle get a bit of perspective.”

Expect much worse to come in the campaign to have natasha demonised. She is now the only HM i will part money with to save.
wotnot
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Hmm does it matter how it started ”

Of course it does lol
wotnot
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stellen11:
“Expect much worse to come in the campaign to have natasha demonised. She is now the only HM i will part money with to save. ”

I don't think she needs effort to be demonised, I got her number on the first night.
Alrightmate
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stellen11:
“Expect much worse to come in the campaign to have natasha demonised. She is now the only HM i will part money with to save. ”

How is the OP explaining what wasn't shown with Natasha's role in what happened demonising her?

What appears to be happening is that we are getting a very unfair edit which favours the Brits and demonises the Americans, which in turn distorts perception.

Of course how people conduct themselves in there would be open to scrutiny itself, so plenty of people won't like the way Farrah carries herself anyway therefore there's no need for BB to force the issue that the British are the goodies and the Americans are the baddies. But they are. They're deliberately trying to ensure that we see both groups in the way that they want us to see them.
EnricoIV
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stellen11:
“Expect much worse to come in the campaign to have natasha demonised. She is now the only HM i will part money with to save. ”

Have at it. Maybe you can father her fifth child.
Emma-in-Hants
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by ultros:
“Yet again they have left out these key events to protect the 'good guy's' (Natasha & Austin) from looking bad(”

Crikey.

There are people who are believing Natasha is a 'good guy'?
Philip_Clarke
08-09-2015
I came away from last nights ep under the impression that Natasha was the instigator by robbing wine deliberately and not giving a shit.
maureens
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Xenophobia on full display in and outside the house. It's nasty.

The UK hoarding wine, complaining about food ganging up and then claiming they are better than the Anericans!”

Wonder if they will show them hiding the wine on tonights show.?...... no i dont think so..
Eve Elle
08-09-2015
How hard is it to behave like rational adults and just share the wine out fairly?
academia
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by strato222:
“What was Jenna's answer? You see, this is the root of the problem. The Americans (Jenna, Farrah and Scoop) are assuming power over the housemates which they haven't been given by BB and Natasha has picked up on it and gone to have a word with Scoop about it.”

Gripes about food happen every year without this uproar happening. Natasha had every right to approach Scoop about it. That Jenna reacted so badly and set her deranged sidekick on Natasha was her fault.
These screeching screaming incoherent fits that Farrah specialises in belong in a locked ward, not an entertainment show.
Ketamine
08-09-2015
I agree that big brother are often editing the show badly and leaving out parts of the arguments that are important. But they always do this and i really don't see any evidence that they are trying to make "the Americans" look bad. They didn't show Jenna saying a lot of things that would have made her look much worse, when she was talking like the food was hers and the Brits should be grateful they're getting any.

There is only one aggressive person in there and that is Farah, the rest have their faults but they are fairly normal people. Farah has some serious anger issues.
rhizo_mania
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by Philip_Clarke:
“I came away from last nights ep under the impression that Natasha was the instigator by robbing wine deliberately and not giving a shit.”

That is what started the big argument off, and she knew it would that's why she opened the bottle up and passed it round, but people wont see that because it's Natasha (British good) and Americans (bad).
Ketamine
08-09-2015
I don't get this how did she "rob" the wine. The food belongs to all of them.
wakey
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by ultros:
“Not really. That's about it I think.

Natasha was grumbling in the bedroom to President Scoop about Jenner not doing the shopping list to her satisfaction with her lackeys Austin & James backing her up...
Jenner walked in on it with Farrah in tow...
Jenner joined the conversation...
Natasha said to Jenner "who made you the food police"...
Austin made a comment too apparently according to Natasha (that surprise surprise wasn't shown )...
Farrah who was observing from her bed then joined in...
James & Austin scuttled off to leave Natasha to fight the battle (she started) on her own...
Scoop shouted that everyone should calm the hell down!...
Natasha stropped off to the Garden & berated her fellow Brits for not running in to defend her in the argument (that she started)...
Farrah then went into the living room and flying clotheslined Natasha, & then elbow dropped Big Brother himself in the diary room for breaking her flip flops ”

If you had actually bothered to listen to Natasha's complaint to Scoop though it was based on the shopping not being done in a structured way to allow meals to be produced. It's fine ordering lots of special requests for people after all but if none of those things can be combined into a meal then it makes rationing the way scoop was talking about doing difficult
Alrightmate
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by academia:
“Gripes about food happen every year without this uproar happening. Natasha had every right to approach Scoop about it. That Jenna reacted so badly and set her deranged sidekick on Natasha was her fault.
These screeching screaming incoherent fits that Farrah specialises in belong in a locked ward, not an entertainment show.”

I don't think she does have much right. Because some of the Brits have described the Americans as greedy and selfish. I think it might have been Natasha herself who said that. Then that's what the viewers are led to believe. Which in turn increases the resentment towards the Americans.
Yet the British housemates spoke about giving the Americans scraps of food when they were in charge, and it appears to be an almost nightly event where some of the Brits try to hoard alcohol and prevent the Americans getting it.

You can't complain of others being selfish and greedy when you yourself demonstrate those exact same traits.
Chris actually said "F**k the Americans" when they were trying to take all the alcohol for themselves. That's how much belief the Brits have in not being selfish and greedy.
trevor tiger
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I didn't even watch last night. If I get a chance I might catch up today but, going on previous experience:

Austin and Natasha are the least likeable and sneakiest characters in there and were bitching about Farrah before they'd even once spoken to her.

The editing on the night of the wardrobe incident was shockingly biased.

The entire premise of the show (from selecting Gail, Sherrie and Chloe versus Janice, Jenna and Farrah - really?!?!?) is to show the UK hms are mild-mannered sweethearts and the Americans are screeching harpies. No matter what happens - that's the storyline that's being followed here.

It's hilarious. ”

You really need to watch last night's show. There was nothing mild mannered or sweet heart like about Natasha.

What I find hilarious is the way some are using footage that isn't hidden by the way as we do know about it as the supposed answer to everything. Allowing them to vilify the HMs they believe are getting off lightly and in turn let off lightly the HMs they like.

Even if we saw Natasha taking Scoop to task about whatever why would that make everything else that followed ok Ditto the LF the other night. When I watched it I had an inkling that Austin and James had moved clothes around and greatly upset people. Still it was the reaction that was ridiculous, over the top and completely unnecessary.

Are people seriously saying that the reaction from Farrah last night EG was perfectly reasonable becaus Natasha spoke to Scoop or because Austin said something inflamatory, if he did

There is always the edit cry and I actually think this year ironically it has done Jenna and Farrah fans a favour as seemingly they can be exonerated all of the time because apparently Natasha or more usually Austin did something really bad but it's not been shown. Now that is what really is hilarious this year.
Alrightmate
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by wakey:
“If you had actually bothered to listen to Natasha's complaint to Scoop though it was based on the shopping not being done in a structured way to allow meals to be produced. It's fine ordering lots of special requests for people after all but if none of those things can be combined into a meal then it makes rationing the way scoop was talking about doing difficult”

In that conversation didn't Jenna say to Natasha that she obliged a request for something on the shopping list that Natasha herself asked for?

I suspect that if the Americans didn't oblige these special food requests then they would be castigated for that too.
It's Big Brother, if people can find anything to use as a weapon against their rivals then they will.
trevor tiger
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by wotnot:
“Of course it does lol”

Maybe read the rest of my post which explains what I said lol
rhizo_mania
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by Ketamine:
“I don't get this how did she "rob" the wine. The food belongs to all of them.”


Jenna is of the Jewish faith and has kosher food and wine, that's why she has that separate little fridge in the kitchen the one that Janice decided to take the celery from for her food, and when they get drinks supplied Jenna gets a bottle of kosher wine they all know this, the other HMs all get beer spirits and wine but Jenna has the kosher bottle, but not when Natasha's around.
Alrightmate
08-09-2015
Did Natasha really say to Jenna "Who made you the food police"?
Well if so that's an easy answer. Scoop. He's the President isn't he?
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