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iPhone 6S/7 launch.
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enapace
09-09-2015
Err does anyone honestly find the current Touch ID system to be slow it's what 1-2 seconds if you haven't got that amount of time there is seriously something wrong.


Not used Apple Pay yet hope to soon but is it vastly slower using that or something as honestly I find it perfectly fine was bit shocked they thought they needed do anything with it.

Im honestly struggling figure out why you would pick one of these new devices over the iPhone 6 or 6 Plus they are cheaper and basically do everything anyone would want.
alanwarwic
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by Aye Up:
“Looks like it isn't getting the recently rumoured resolution bump, theres not much of note from this keynote ”

No, but a good excuse for that mouthy Apple Taliban guy to get in on the act.
aurichie
09-09-2015
Also the new iPhone Upgrade Plan lets you lease an iPhone 6 Plus 128gb model for $44 a month. It includes AppleCare+ and lets you upgrade to the new model every year. I think that's a phenomenal deal and I can't wait for the offering to arrive here. Although I suspect we'll be waiting until this time next year for international expansion of the service.
ThisGuysGood
09-09-2015
A great showing from Apple, really showed of the look advantage Apple have over all competitor devices. An the huge ability's advantage Apple iPhone's have over competitor devices.

The 3D touch is going to be a game changer, and the App to make it easy for Android users to switch to iPhone is a really good idea. iPhone is the worlds best selling phones and consumer constantly vote them the worlds best and most powerful smart phones via huge sales increasing year on year.
jonmorris
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“The new iPhones easily exceeded my expectations. Performance is astounding, once you use the new 3D Touch experience you'll never want to go back, the already great camera is now even better, live photos, vastly improved touch id technology, you can go on and on and on.

The best just got better and I'm definitely upgrading my 6 Plus to one of these new beauties. It's a no brainer.”

Did you cut and paste that from the Onion or something?!

I used 3D Touch last week at IFA. It's okay, but not revolutionary. Maybe someone will think of some really useful ways to use it, but we can all live without it.

The camera I am sure will be great, given the existing ones are. The question is if it's necessary because the existing camera is so good. Most photos posted from an iPhone are great, and likewise anything taken on a lot of other devices today.

Heck, even a £130 phone with a 13MP Samsung or Sony camera takes bloody good photos for social media.

I hope that adding 4K video recording means we'll now get iMovie support for 4K on OSX. I don't do enough editing to justify spending hundreds of dollars on better video editing software, and iMovie is perfect for most needs.. but it's limited to 1080 for now.

Until I regularly use apps that need crazy CPU/GPU power, and all the impact on battery and heat issues that results, I think that nobody needs to upgrade next week unless they have a very old iPhone. I bet most people have a device in their pocket right now that is perfectly acceptable, but fair play to Apple for coming up with compelling reasons to convince people otherwise.

The whole mobile industry is at a really awkward stage now. Most current devices are as good as people need, or surpass their needs. Battery life is about the only issue many people moan about now, and was that addressed today?

Now we have force touch, 4K screens, curved edges and loads of other gimmicky ideas no doubt to come to try and entice us to part with money to upgrade something that works perfectly well.

Mobiles are now like TVs and PCs: you upgrade when the current one breaks.

Edit: The iPad Pro is interesting. I can think of a few people in business who would (and will) want one of these. Why the heck there's a 32GB entry level model though. Come on Apple! That's just to offer a low headline price, knowing full well everyone will go for the middle 128GB model (and a few the 4G one).
plymouthbloke1974
09-09-2015
I'll be sticking with my 6 Plus this time, I'm afraid.

However I am looking forward to Watch OS2 and my old Apple TV may be going upstairs when I get a new Apple TV 😀
aurichie
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“The whole mobile industry is at a really awkward stage now. Most current devices are as good as people need, or surpass their needs. Battery life is about the only issue many people moan about now, and was that addressed today?

Mobiles are now like TVs and PCs: you upgrade when the current one breaks.”

The other half of the mobile industry is at a really awkward stage. Apple is selling more iPhones than ever before and are showing no signs of struggling to convince people to upgrade.

Maybe technically people don't need to upgrade, but phones are as much a fashion accessory and statement as they are a device for a lot of people. And because Apple has customer sat numbers that are off the charts, when iPhone users buy a new phone - they buy a new iPhone. The world will continue buying new iPhones in massive quantities.
jonner101
09-09-2015
It was utterly cringeworthy to watch but some interesting changes. Will need to use it in the real world to see if the '3d touch' is actually a benefit or gimmick.

My iPhone 6 plus camera is already excellent but nice to see a bit more resolution and 4k recording

Glad they didn't try and overdo it with an unnecessary higher res display. Just not needed on the 6 plus phone and for me smooth graphics and battery life are more important than stupidly high resolutions. the 4k display on the Sony is just silly.
alanwarwic
09-09-2015
No, the iPhone has mainly expanded into new areas, declines are the norm except China.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjon...cept-in-china/
2016 will be very difficult for eveyone.
moox
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“The other half of the mobile industry is at a really awkward stage. Apple is selling more iPhones than ever before and are showing no signs of struggling to convince people to upgrade.

Maybe technically people don't need to upgrade, but phones are as much a fashion accessory and statement as they are a device for a lot of people. And because Apple has customer sat numbers that are off the charts, when iPhone users buy a new phone - they buy a new iPhone. The world will continue buying new iPhones in massive quantities.”

It says a lot that they have introduced their own upgrade program though. They've realised that they can't keep trying to actually *sell* phones forever, so by putting everyone on a leasing programme they get continuous, predictable revenue and a bucketload of refurbished phones to resell every year, while pushing sales numbers up! win-win!
pubey
09-09-2015
"3D touch" already exists in some Apple products (like the macbook I'm using) and it's a gimmick. They've not worked out how to use it.

I'm a 5S user (and big fan). I'm pretty unsure about whether I should upgrade to the 6 or 6S. The 3D touch has nothing to do with my decision - seriously, it's a pointless feature and Apple haven't looked to work out how to integrated it into the device.
jonmorris
09-09-2015
The people who see a phone as a fashion item will indeed upgrade, and pay well over the odds to do so. That's a market Samsung has been trying to attract, and smartwatch makers are all hoping to do with increasingly expensive designs/straps. Apple is very lucky and clearly has the highest percentage, hence why it has so much cash in the bank.

But step back and look at the rest of the market (also taking out tech mad freaks like us on here) and the upgrade market is slowing.

The fact Apple is introducing a scheme to let you upgrade every 12 months instead of 24 is because many people are quite happy to upgrade every two years, and even then the only real incentive to upgrade after 24 months is because you're paying that extra money on your monthly tariff to pay back a handset subsidy so why pay more and keep the old phone?

If your line rental automatically dropped from £35 a month to £15, even more people would hold off upgrading.

As someone who has always got everything SIM-free (my last phone on contract was a Nokia 6210 in around 2000?) I can shop around, and if I wasn't lucky enough to get loads of new phones to review, I'd happily keep most of the devices I have until they broke.

When you can get a £129 phone like the Wileyfox Swift, or the Moto G and say 'wow' when looking at the photos, you begin to look at the whole market in a different way. And as time goes on, more people will be thinking that way.

You want good photos, the ability to run good apps and games, and if that can be done on a £100-200 device, then Apple and others will ONLY have the fashionistas queuing up.

Everyone else will be finding new ways to spend their money.
alan1302
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“When you can get a £129 phone like the Wileyfox Swift, or the Moto G and say 'wow' when looking at the photos, you begin to look at the whole market in a different way. And as time goes on, more people will be thinking that way..”

I'm certainly there already. When you can get a phone like the Moto G or the Wiley Fox phones then I can't see any point in paying for the flagship phones from anyone at £5-600. And I like tech and happy to pay for it but can't see I am getting anything from the lastest phones from the likes of Samsging/Apple/HTC etc.
bikerlad
09-09-2015
The carrier free iPhone upgrade plan looks interesting, if they launch it in the UK.
lightspeed2398
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by pubey:
“"3D touch" already exists in some Apple products (like the macbook I'm using) and it's a gimmick. They've not worked out how to use it.

I'm a 5S user (and big fan). I'm pretty unsure about whether I should upgrade to the 6 or 6S. The 3D touch has nothing to do with my decision - seriously, it's a pointless feature and Apple haven't looked to work out how to integrated it into the device.”

Can't agree more. I've got a 6+ and looking to get parents 6 perhaps. It's a reasonably priced device now for what it is and I see no update for anything other than the most hard core of users.
alanwarwic
09-09-2015
Not everyone thinks your way Lightspeed. The 6 competes with the likes of the G whilst the Plus with the X.
And up in price from those we have the ultra high end S6, available at around £400 if you look.

You only consider it reasonably priced because you want one.
clewsy
09-09-2015
Oh the Apple fan club has come out to play. Ita great you love the device and well go and buy one, but why knock other people's opinions?

Again the issue with Apple is the price. It's over priced for what it is. Yes people buy it, however does it make you better, more attractive or a better class? Nope, in my eyes just an utter fool for falling in love with a brand.

Loyalty to a brand gets you no where in life.
swordman
09-09-2015
Seems proper aluminium has been chosen this time to address any non issue that existed with the 6
kidspud
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by swordman:
“Seems proper aluminium has been chosen this time to address any non issue that existed with the 6 ”

What's 'proper aluminium'? Tell us what you know.
Master Ozzy
09-09-2015
What a load of crap. Nothing interesting enough to make me want to upgrade from my iPhone 5. I'll be sticking with this until the iPhond 7 I think.
hybridtheory
09-09-2015
Hi

I know iOS 9 GM has been released to developers. Anyone know when it will be released to Public Beta testers?

I know iOS 9 will be released to the general public next week but I can't wait :-p

Thanks

Baz
hybridtheory
09-09-2015
Hi

I bet Steve Jobs (God Bless His Soul) must have been turning in his grave when Microsoft took the stage :-o

Baz
WelshBluebird
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by hybridtheory:
“Hi

I bet Steve Jobs (God Bless His Soul) must have been turning in his grave when Microsoft took the stage :-o

Baz”

Or when the Stylus was announced! (Anyone who watched the iPhone launch in 2007 will remember the comments about existing smartphones using stylus's).
kidspud
09-09-2015
Originally Posted by hybridtheory:
“Hi

I bet Steve Jobs (God Bless His Soul) must have been turning in his grave when Microsoft took the stage :-o

Baz”

Yeah, cause SJ never did any business with Microsoft
swordman
09-09-2015
It is testament to apple and its very devoted following that they are able to release these s models as upgrades. I am sure many companies would love the luxury of a year off every other, they would just never be allowed to.
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