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kidspud
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by moox:
“Wacom and others have managed to do pressure sensitivity since forever, and it would appear that they can do angle detection for a while too. (given that they're the industry leader I'd hope they are ahead of everyone else)

Even the Surface Pro 3 has pressure sensivity, don't know about angle detection. The company that MS bought for their pen technology has recently filed for patents on both, so I'd assume the next Surface Pro will have those features too. MS gives you a pen with the tablet and they charge less for a replacement - how novel!

It really is just a Surface Pro with an ARM processor and iOS, right down to the detachable keyboard/cover - and they've even got MS to make them a nice Office suite for it..

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For the stylus I think it comes down to what you use the device for.

The stylus for my surface pro spent 5 minutes out the box before being put away (I would imagine for good). I can understand that if you are an artist or designer then it might be useful and I would like to here reviews from them as to how accurate/good it is.

I would hope for the price the apple one is of better quality then the MS version.

Samsung have already told us that few people use a stylus which is why they dropped the note from the UK.

I think it is silly to say it is just a surface pro (unless the surface pro is just a bigger iPad) as it looks different, has different hardware and different software.
alanwarwic
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“iPhone 6+ depth 7.1 mm, weight 172 grams
iPhone 6S+ depth 7.3 mm, weight 192 grams
I find that scandalous, the new model thicker and heavier? ”

The Plus is a similar weight and dimensions to my old 5" Dapeng,it gradually moving from being a lump of lead to having an industrial feel to it, much to do with its steel chassis.

So, lots of heatsink inside? They have given it a proper size battery, but what is the point in being thin and ultra heavy?
clonmult
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“I think it is silly to say it is just a surface pro (unless the surface pro is just a bigger iPad) as it looks different, has different hardware and different software.”

The primary use of a stylus will be for painting, creative, etc. Ordinary use, it'll barely be touched. Which is why it isn't part of the standard package for either the iPP or the Surface.

Yup, the surface pro 3 is considerably faster than an iPP, has access to fully fledged desktop applications (not always better, but for creative types the full photoshop is likely better than a watered down iPP variant). And it is effectively cheaper.

And to some, the Surface is the better looking device
Stiggles
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by ThisGuysGood:
“Did you notice the first iPad many many years ago had a Keyboard? So are you saying Apple traveled forward through time and saw then Microsoft surface? Some people will never stop grasping at straws.”

Yes it did. But this one is a blatant copy. Some people will never stop clutching at straws...
kidspud
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by clonmult:
“The primary use of a stylus will be for painting, creative, etc. Ordinary use, it'll barely be touched. Which is why it isn't part of the standard package for either the iPP or the Surface.

Yup, the surface pro 3 is considerably faster than an iPP, has access to fully fledged desktop applications (not always better, but for creative types the full photoshop is likely better than a watered down iPP variant). And it is effectively cheaper.

And to some, the Surface is the better looking device ”

The stylus came with my Surface.

I don't know if the pro 3 is considerably faster as I've not seen them against each other.
alanwarwic
10-09-2015
Someone maybe correct me here be the EETimes seems as scant on analysys as Apple are normally.
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1327656
For me, the CPU, assuming it is now 14nm, the increase from 1.4Ghz to 2Ghz near enough 100% accounts for the CPU speed increase claim.
Ignoring the GPU there is thus near no change in design, the die shrink allowing for 2Ghz in a similar power envelope to the old 1.4GHz 20nm A8.
mogzyboy
10-09-2015
I think this will be the last time I upgrade every 2 years. Things are moving pretty slowly now, with not much new on any phone since I last upgraded in 2013.

I guess, as Jon Morris said a few pages back, this is the problem the industry will face now. I can only assume that Apple's upgrade programme recognises this issue and is trying to address it.

I want the NFC stuff for payments, and VoLTE capability, and nothing else that I haven't already got on my phone.
clonmult
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“The stylus came with my Surface.

I don't know if the pro 3 is considerably faster as I've not seen them against each other.”

Apple were comparing the performance of the iPP against recent Atom processors. The Pro 3 is running i3/5/7 - which are WAY faster than the latest Atoms.

Unrelated, but possibly of interest. My son has a Hudl 2. I've got an Acer W4 - both effectively running the same processor, same amount of internal RAM. Both running chrome, but under W10 Chrome is considerably faster than Chrome on Android. Android really is an inefficient OS ....
kidspud
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by clonmult:
“Apple were comparing the performance of the iPP against recent Atom processors. The Pro 3 is running i3/5/7 - which are WAY faster than the latest Atoms.

Unrelated, but possibly of interest. My son has a Hudl 2. I've got an Acer W4 - both effectively running the same processor, same amount of internal RAM. Both running chrome, but under W10 Chrome is considerably faster than Chrome on Android. Android really is an inefficient OS ....”

Some are claiming they were comparing it to the Intel haswell processors, so I would still wait to see a comparison before claiming the surface pro is more powerful.

I don't think there is any debate about how inefficient android appears to be.
jonmorris
10-09-2015
Probably slower RAM on the Hudl 2 which is also still KitKat and doesn't seem as if it will get Lollipop ever.

Chrome on Android is a dog though and has become so bloated of late. It's quite a shambles, just as it's starting to improve massively on Windows and Mac (no longer draining as much power on my MBA as it did, although I am still warned it's sucking power).

I really should just switch to one of the many other Android browsers out there. Besides this, I think Android is perfectly fine.
ThisGuysGood
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Probably slower RAM on the Hudl 2 which is also still KitKat and doesn't seem as if it will get Lollipop ever.

Chrome on Android is a dog though and has become so bloated of late. It's quite a shambles, just as it's starting to improve massively on Windows and Mac (no longer draining as much power on my MBA as it did, although I am still warned it's sucking power).

I really should just switch to one of the many other Android browsers out there. Besides this, I think Android is perfectly fine.”


Yeah you repeat the concerns repeated throughout the industry and most professionals finding Android bloatware lagging devices to a point they can become unusable.
calico_pie
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Yes it did. But this one is a blatant copy. Some people will never stop clutching at straws...”

Yeah - because a keyboard as an input device is such a specific, revolutionary concept that that must be it.

Couldn't just be that it makes more sense for a larger tablet aimed more at productivity than consumption to have a keyboard.
Stiggles
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by clonmult:
“Apple were comparing the performance of the iPP against recent Atom processors. The Pro 3 is running i3/5/7 - which are WAY faster than the latest Atoms.

Unrelated, but possibly of interest. My son has a Hudl 2. I've got an Acer W4 - both effectively running the same processor, same amount of internal RAM. Both running chrome, but under W10 Chrome is considerably faster than Chrome on Android. Android really is an inefficient OS ....”

On a hudle yes, it is. They are quite easily the most bogged down tablets ever. Tesco have managed to really screw up android on those tablets.
Stiggles
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“Yeah - because a keyboard as an input device is such a specific, revolutionary concept that that must be it.

Couldn't just be that it makes more sense for a larger tablet aimed more at productivity than consumption to have a keyboard.”

Absolutely. No one is saying any different.

What i am saying, is that the apple keyboard is pretty much identical to the surface one.
Stiggles
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by ThisGuysGood:
“Yeah you repeat the concerns repeated throughout the industry and most professionals finding Android bloatware lagging devices to a point they can become unusable.”

Since when though is that androids fault? Surely its the fault of the manufacturer adding said bloatware?

Vanilla Android or Android on a sony device absolutely flies since there is zero bloatware. Samsung on the other hand are shocking!
alanwarwic
10-09-2015
Didn't IOS 8 get 3 or 4 lots of bloatware, and wont something similar happen to IOS 9?
d123
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Didn't IOS 8 get 3 or 4 lots of bloatware, and wont something similar happen to IOS 9?”

Im pretty sure you are aware that Apple doesn't allow any network customisation or bloat added to iOS, but you do like trying to troll for reactions, don't you?
kidspud
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Absolutely. No one is saying any different.

What i am saying, is that the apple keyboard is pretty much identical to the surface one.”

They appear to be very different.
calico_pie
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Absolutely. No one is saying any different.

What i am saying, is that the apple keyboard is pretty much identical to the surface one.”

Well, to be fair, Apple had the smart cover kind of design pretty much from day one of the iPad. I'm sure they would have figured that out to be a good place to put a keyboard with or without the Surface.
alanwarwic
10-09-2015
"The 6S and 6S Plus are 0.28 and 0.29 inches thick and weigh 5.04 and 6.77 ounces. You couldn't call them heavy
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/09...l-needs-to-die
"When you pick up the newest iPhone models, they feel much the same as their predecessors. "
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...phone-6s-plus/
"The aesthetic might be identical, but there's just a little extra heft around the phones' waists and what feels like a few more grams baked into their bodies"
http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/09/i...plus-hands-on/
"but to most eyes they won’t look or feel any different from the 6 and 6 Plus."
http://www.wired.com/2015/09/hands-o...plus-3d-touch/


That is what I love about Apple events, it is the polishing of the most notable bits that makes it surreal like. Near 200 gramms if very heavy for a smartphone, it being strikingly unmissable.
'Flipping Heck' was the reaction I got with my 200 gram lead weight like smartphone.
calico_pie
10-09-2015
Are these the same phones you recently described as "ultra heavy"?
ThisGuysGood
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“Are these the same phones you recently described as "ultra heavy"?”

He has 26600 posts of which 25900 slag of Apple... Do you really think even he can remember the last thing he made up? I ask anyone to spend 20minutes in his posting history. It's just Apple Apple Apple Apple he must have another agenda, no one can hate an electronics company that much


I must admit though "ultra heavy" "ultra high end" and "look advantage" are real gems.
alanwarwic
10-09-2015
Quick on the act phonearena have the heavyweight champs. No fears there, it goes without saying that they would take note.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Heavy...market_id71023
ThisGuysGood
10-09-2015
UK mobile network reports recording break numbers of people registering their interest in new iPhones.
ThisGuysGood
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Quick on the act phonearena have the heavyweight champs. No fears there, it goes without saying that they would take note.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Heavy...market_id71023”


So it seems the iPhone's are have a lightness advantage over competitor devices as well as the industry renowned look advantage? Apple really engineer their products so well as is proven by consumers buying iPhones in record numbers infact a sales increase of 75%
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