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alanwarwic
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“Are these the same phones you recently described as "ultra heavy"?”

Phonearena brought up the once more traditional term, that being "Brick".
Aye Up
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by de525ma:
“The BBC and ITV broadcast in 1080p on Freeview for certain programmes. However it's only 1080p25.”

I know they have went a little higher for certain broadcasts like the olympic opening ceremony, its just expensive to sustain. Most content produced for TV is usually at a higher resolution, its jusy downscaled to fit within the 1080i setup. So far as I know Virgin and Sky don't broadcast native 1080p, though for Virgin they have TiVo and iptv related services to get round that.

There are some far more clever and knowledgeable people in TV forum who would better explain it than me. However to broadcast 1080p constantly and consistently it may use double the spectrum/resources compared to 1080i.

Originally Posted by enapace:
“Before you wrote 2160i I had never heard of it but you probably right will likely be done that way.

You would think by now they would be at least looking to upgrade infrastructure to 1080p but never have always found it slightly odd.

Maybe IPTV may become the norm in the next decade that reminds me I still need contact Sky about Multi Room.”

2160p is just the new 4K standard (even though strictly speaking UHD tellys and such aren't true 4K), this is expected to see new services come online over the next 5 years or so. Again iptv will usually be the preferred way of delivering 2160p given the resource needs. Sky and Virgin are operating their own trials for 4K services, given how Virgin's network is setup its expected they will come to the market sooner.

Sky I think has some test cards, although I am unsure if this is with new equipment or standard Sky HD boxes. I do question whether they will stick with the HD fee and possibly slap on another one for 4K, that particular thing has been going almost 10 years now and its long past its selby date.
calico_pie
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Phonearena brought up the once more traditional term, that being "Brick".”

In reference to the weight of the iPhone, Phonearena described said iPhone as a "brick".

Really?
Everything Goes
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“In reference to the weight of the iPhone, Phonearena described said iPhone as a "brick".

Really?”

Oh looks who's come out of hibernation just for this thread
Gigabit
11-09-2015
What have the iVerge said?
ThisGuysGood
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Phonearena brought up the once more traditional term, that being "Brick".”

The top 7 phones phone arena call bricks were all Android devices, this is not related to the iPhone which is well known to have a lightness advantage over the heavier phones.

But I don't see why we are comparing last generation phones to the Ultra High End Next Generation iPHones,
ThisGuysGood
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“In reference to the weight of the iPhone, Phonearena described said iPhone as a "brick".

Really?”


No the term brick was aimed at the heavier phones from competitors.
Stiggles
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by ThisGuysGood:
“The top 7 phones phone arena call bricks were all Android devices, this is not related to the iPhone which is well known to have a lightness advantage over the heavier phones.

But I don't see why we are comparing last generation phones to the Ultra High End Next Generation iPHones,”

Completely wrong on so many levels.

This IS completely related to the iphone actually.

Phone Arena has the word 'brick' once in that entire article, and not once did they call any phones on that list bricks apart from the decade old HTC Universal and Nokia E90 Communicator mentioned in the first paragraph of the article when they talk about the heavy phones of yesteryear.

The article is talking about phones that hit nearly 200g. There are 8 phones on this list which includes the iphone 6 plus. Something you seemed to have missed out for some weird reason....

Most of the Android phones listed have nearly 6" screens for a start so are obviously going to be heavier. Pit it against a similarly spec and sized phone and it's heavier.

Iphone 6 plus 172g
Sony Z3 152g
Lg G4 155g

For example. So no, they aren't known for lighter phones at all.
Stiggles
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“In reference to the weight of the iPhone, Phonearena described said iPhone as a "brick".

Really?”

No, not at all.

No idea where he's getting that from!
TheBigM
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“The new iPad Pro is more powerful than 80% of PC's sold in the last year. It's an incredible piece of technology. Apple has nailed it.”

Benchmark please?

And well done if a $1000 tablet is faster (running cut down software) than a $400 laptop running a Pentium or Celeron.

Apple are known to use bullshit statistics so wait for real comparisons from the likes of AnandTech.

It's not more powerful regardless as it doesn't have a desktop OS so interaction is limited to what the apps give you.
calico_pie
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by Everything Goes:
“Oh looks who's come out of hibernation just for this thread ”

Sorry - should I be popping up in other threads about other devices I don't own or really have much interest in and slag them off?
Rich_L
11-09-2015
My prediction for tomorrow.

Initial allocation for 25/9 all sold out by 09:00, then 4 to 6 week waiting list (jumping to sometime in November by 11:00)

People that genuinly want a new phone being about 30% of the successful ones to get theirs and to be delivered by 25/9

The other 70% going to eBay sharks who buy several at one time and sell them for twice as much as they are worth.
clonmult
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“The new iPad Pro is more powerful than 80% of PC's sold in the last year. It's an incredible piece of technology. Apple has nailed it.”

You're mis quoting Apple.

They were referencing the Atom based devices, and sure, it'll probably be faster than them, but they're entry level devices and rarely used in desktops.

It'll be rather slow when compared to the processors available in the Surface Pro 3 - intels i3, i5, i7.

But then you totally believe Apples hype and are incapable of reasoned thought. You probably also believe in an all encompassing deity as well.
kidspud
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by clonmult:
“You're mis quoting Apple.

They were referencing the Atom based devices, and sure, it'll probably be faster than them, but they're entry level devices and rarely used in desktops.

It'll be rather slow when compared to the processors available in the Surface Pro 3 - intels i3, i5, i7.

But then you totally believe Apples hype and are incapable of reasoned thought. You probably also believe in an all encompassing deity as well.”

I think I've already asked this, but how do you know what they were referencing against? I'm not questioning your statement (and I haven't a clue if Apples claims are in anyway accurate), but all the quotes I've seen do not make reference to 'Atom' devices, but to laptops shipped in the last year.

Unless you are saying most laptops shipped in the last year were 'Atom'?
Stereo Steve
11-09-2015
I really can't understand this blind hatred of brands or networks etc. It's odd. Like biting off your nose to spite your face. What if Apple ever bring out a machine that can make you immortal and patent it? Will there be some people who will refuse to buy it because they hate Apple? Or will they slink off to Curry's on a dark night with a hoodie on so they are not seen doing the deed?

All these (especially iPhone) threads end up the same. Very little discussion about the point of the thread and just a lot of people slating and defending a brand in general. Boring.
Richard1960
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“I really can't understand this blind hatred of brands or networks etc. It's odd. Like biting off your nose to spite your face. What if Apple ever bring out a machine that can make you immortal and patent it? Will there be some people who will refuse to buy it because they hate Apple? Or will they slink off to Curry's on a dark night with a hoodie on so they are not seen doing the deed?

All these (especially iPhone) threads end up the same. Very little discussion about the point of the thread and just a lot of people slating and defending a brand in general. Boring.”

I think this post has definitely nailed it.
clonmult
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“I think I've already asked this, but how do you know what they were referencing against? I'm not questioning your statement (and I haven't a clue if Apples claims are in anyway accurate), but all the quotes I've seen do not make reference to 'Atom' devices, but to laptops shipped in the last year.

Unless you are saying most laptops shipped in the last year were 'Atom'?”

It was something in the wording (can't recall exactly what as I was dipping in and out of the keynote whilst travelling) that implied it was the Windows tablet market, which is primarily Atom based devices.

Not surprising that Apple didn't come straight and compare the A9X directly to an i3, as it wouldn't come out well.
alanwarwic
11-09-2015
The extremely limited boundaries is what is quite unique to Apple, that is the boring bit, unless you count the few caricature IDs also setting the boundaries as fun.

Real fanboys would not give a shit ! I dont give a damn about my 200 gram phone, even favouring it above my high end LG G2.

And yes, I had already observed here that most PCs are now Baytrail, the new Atom, (and confusingly many Celerons and Pentiums too) making up the 80% of what Apple is talking about.

An interesting aspect is the demise of the faster Intel Core, at least in actual quantity sold.
-GONZO-
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“
All these (especially iPhone) threads end up the same. Very little discussion about the point of the thread and just a lot of people slating and defending a brand in general. Boring.”

Agree totally, but I wouldn't say a lot of people as it's usually just the same set of forum members pretty much arguing between themselves as they have done so for the past god knows how many years now.
clonmult
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“An interesting aspect is the demise of the faster Intel Core, at least in actual quantity sold.”

That'll be down to it doing what most people want without any problems - browsing, bit of word processing, spreadsheets, casual gaming.

For most people an i5 would be overkill (although nice to have), and thankfully the current generation of Atoms tend to be quite usable (unlike the first generations that were dire).
Stereo Steve
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by -GONZO-:
“Agree totally, but I wouldn't say a lot of people as it's usually just the same set of forum members pretty much arguing between themselves as they have done so for the past god knows how many years now.”

True. Still, at least when the iMmortal comes out, they won't be able to buy one so it will end eventually.
LiamBerryTea ~
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“I really can't understand this blind hatred of brands or networks etc. It's odd. Like biting off your nose to spite your face. What if Apple ever bring out a machine that can make you immortal and patent it? Will there be some people who will refuse to buy it because they hate Apple? Or will they slink off to Curry's on a dark night with a hoodie on so they are not seen doing the deed?

All these (especially iPhone) threads end up the same. Very little discussion about the point of the thread and just a lot of people slating and defending a brand in general. Boring.”



Why on earth would you wana be imortal? The world would end one day anyway.. And let's face it.. Bring on the afterlife
Stereo Steve
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by LiamBerryTea ~:
“Why on earth would you wana be imortal? The world would end one day anyway.. And let's face it.. Bring on the afterlife”

So I had time to work on my spellling. I only want to go to the afterlife if Ian Gillan and Ritchie Blackmore are there and they aren't even dead yet.
LiamBerryTea ~
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“So I had time to work on my spellling. I only want to go to the afterlife if Ian Gillan and Ritchie Blackmore are there and they aren't even dead yet.”

Aha 'Caitlin' Jenner, Miley Cyrus and Justine Bieber still inhabit this life.
I have no worries in passing on
calico_pie
12-09-2015
Originally Posted by clonmult:
“It was something in the wording (can't recall exactly what as I was dipping in and out of the keynote whilst travelling) that implied it was the Windows tablet market, which is primarily Atom based devices.

Not surprising that Apple didn't come straight and compare the A9X directly to an i3, as it wouldn't come out well.”

The language was pretty clear:

"Faster than 80% of portable PCs"

Granted, a lot will be fairly low spec cheap laptops, but it didn't seem to be limited to Atom based devices.
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