Best way to transfer recordings.

David (2) · 11-09-2015, 16:37

With devices such as sky+, freesat+, freeview+, when one of these pvr's begins to fail but is still useable, or you just want a newer model, is there anyway to transfer existing recordings from the old model to the new one.

Nigel Goodwin · 11-09-2015, 17:43

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Originally Posted by David (2)

With devices such as sky+, freesat+, freeview+, when one of these pvr's begins to fail but is still useable, or you just want a newer model, is there anyway to transfer existing recordings from the old model to the new one.

Essentially no - as PVR's aren't made for that use - although there are a number of limited options (such as copying the recordings in real time with a DVD recorder).

psm · 11-09-2015, 20:36

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Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Essentially no - as PVR's aren't made for that use - although there are a number of limited options (such as copying the recordings in real time with a DVD recorder).

Recently got a new PVR and copied some recordings from my Humax to my new Panny hard drive - OK it was in real time but it did copy..

Chris Frost · 11-09-2015, 21:00

There are (or certainly were) ways to take off the recordings from a Sky+HD box and make them in to playable files. So it's not strictly true to say that recordings die with the old device unless copied to a HDD- or DVD/Blu-ray recorder.

anthony david · 12-09-2015, 10:43

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Originally Posted by psm

Recently got a new PVR and copied some recordings from my Humax to my new Panny hard drive - OK it was in real time but it did copy..

Interesting, how did you actually do that and what Panasonic device were you using.

Nigel Goodwin · 12-09-2015, 12:41

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Originally Posted by anthony david

Interesting, how did you actually do that and what Panasonic device were you using.

Presumably his Panasonic is a DVD/HDD recorder?, so you can copy across in real time just as with a DVD recorder?.

anthony david · 12-09-2015, 13:39

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Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Presumably his Panasonic is a DVD/HDD recorder?, so you can copy across in real time just as with a DVD recorder?.

That makes sense. Would I be right in thinking such a recording would be made via scart to bypass any DRM problems?

chrisjr · 12-09-2015, 15:16

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Originally Posted by anthony david

That makes sense. Would I be right in thinking such a recording would be made via scart to bypass any DRM problems?

It would have to be SCART or some other analogue connection via phono sockets.

HDMI inputs are virtually impossible to find on recorders. And likely wouldn't work if they were provided. HDCP copy protection would kick in and prevent the recording being made.

oilman · 12-09-2015, 15:44

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Originally Posted by chrisjr

It would have to be SCART or some other analogue connection via phono sockets.

HDMI inputs are virtually impossible to find on recorders. And likely wouldn't work if they were provided. HDCP copy protection would kick in and prevent the recording being made.

You can buy hauppage devices (and others) that record HD, but you normally need to convert hdmi out into component signals (not composite).

You can buy an hdmi to component converter. This gets round hdmi protection issues.

Of course, a video camera pointed at a tv screen works

webbie · 12-09-2015, 16:51

Certain HDMI splitters will also remove the copy protection. A lot of the cheap no-name Chinese ones for example.

Winston_1 · 12-09-2015, 16:54

This is how you do it, the best way, money no object.
Connect the old box via HDMI to an HD modulator such as this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Edision-HD...c=1&rmvSB=true

Tune your new box to the output of the HD modulator and do a manual recording (you won't be able to use the EPG of course as there isn't one).

chrisjr · 12-09-2015, 16:58

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Originally Posted by webbie

Certain HDMI splitters will also remove the copy protection. A lot of the cheap no-name Chinese ones for example.

That may be so but not much use if the recorder doesn't have any HDMI inputs which the vast majority don't have.

Nigel Goodwin · 12-09-2015, 19:06

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Originally Posted by anthony david

That makes sense. Would I be right in thinking such a recording would be made via scart to bypass any DRM problems?

It would be made via SCART (or phonos), but protection isn't removed via that method.

Nigel Goodwin · 12-09-2015, 19:07

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Originally Posted by chrisjr

That may be so but not much use if the recorder doesn't have any HDMI inputs which the vast majority don't have.

Do any?.

webbie · 12-09-2015, 20:09

Hauppauge colossus capture cards for pc, or some stand alone game capture boxes have hdmi in. e.g. hauppauge rocket, or elgato.
But only worth doing if you want the recordings in HD.
And if you want 5.1 audio you will need the colossus or hd-pvr form hauppauge. You will need your pc or a separate media player to play back the recordings so it's a bit of a faff.

For SD i'd use a dvd/hdd recorder and scart - but scart can also have copy protection on it.

David (2) · 12-09-2015, 22:35

What happens if you have a DVD recorder or HDD/DVD recorder which can only record via its scart port, while the pvr only has an hdmi output (no scart socket at all).

I would like to see a future where online can be mature enough to hold your recordings in the cloud, or at least bookmarks to your content a bit like the Watch later feature on YouTube today. This way, there would be no "trapped" recordings on pvr's as no content would actually be on them.

webbie · 12-09-2015, 23:28

.. you would need a hdmi to scart converter. Lots on ebay.

oilman · 12-09-2015, 23:36

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Originally Posted by webbie

.. you would need a hdmi to scart converter. Lots on ebay.

Be careful you buy a proper adaptor - some people sell fake cables with HDMI at one end and scart or VGA etc at other end. HDMI is digital, scart is analogue, so you need some electronics to convert signal.

I would buy from Amazon rather than eBay as their return policy is much better.

anthony david · 13-09-2015, 11:02

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Originally Posted by David (2)

What happens if you have a DVD recorder or HDD/DVD recorder which can only record via its scart port, while the pvr only has an hdmi output (no scart socket at all).

I would like to see a future where online can be mature enough to hold your recordings in the cloud, or at least bookmarks to your content a bit like the Watch later feature on YouTube today. This way, there would be no "trapped" recordings on pvr's as no content would actually be on them.

This would be a service you pay for, maturity doesn't come in to it. If you want good quality it could be expensive though. Only non copyright material could be stored this way obviously, unless there was someway of paying a copyright fee of some kind.

lundavra · 13-09-2015, 11:34

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Originally Posted by oilman

Be careful you buy a proper adaptor - some people sell fake cables with HDMI at one end and scart or VGA etc at other end. HDMI is digital, scart is analogue, so you need some electronics to convert signal.

I would buy from Amazon rather than eBay as their return policy is much better.

I am dubious of Amazon, earlier in the year I was looking for a spare battery for my Canon camera. Amazon had lots claiming to be genuine Canon ones but obviously fakes badged as Canon. There were plenty of comments from people saying they were fakes but had not been removed by Amazon. I have found similar with other products so now very careful when buying through them because I think they say they are just acting as an agent and have no responsibility for goods sold through them.

anthony david · 13-09-2015, 11:58

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Originally Posted by lundavra

I am dubious of Amazon, earlier in the year I was looking for a spare battery for my Canon camera. Amazon had lots claiming to be genuine Canon ones but obviously fakes badged as Canon. There were plenty of comments from people saying they were fakes but had not been removed by Amazon. I have found similar with other products so now very careful when buying through them because I think they say they are just acting as an agent and have no responsibility for goods sold through them.

Amazon are fine but I'm not so sure about Amazon Market Place.

11-09-2015, 16:37	#1
David (2) Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: S.West England. Posts: 18,037	Best way to transfer recordings. With devices such as sky+, freesat+, freeview+, when one of these pvr's begins to fail but is still useable, or you just want a newer model, is there anyway to transfer existing recordings from the old model to the new one.

11-09-2015, 17:43	#2
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by David (2) With devices such as sky+, freesat+, freeview+, when one of these pvr's begins to fail but is still useable, or you just want a newer model, is there anyway to transfer existing recordings from the old model to the new one. Essentially no - as PVR's aren't made for that use - although there are a number of limited options (such as copying the recordings in real time with a DVD recorder).

11-09-2015, 20:36	#3
psm Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 96	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Essentially no - as PVR's aren't made for that use - although there are a number of limited options (such as copying the recordings in real time with a DVD recorder). Recently got a new PVR and copied some recordings from my Humax to my new Panny hard drive - OK it was in real time but it did copy..

11-09-2015, 21:00	#4
Chris Frost Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cheshire Posts: 6,462	There are (or certainly were) ways to take off the recordings from a Sky+HD box and make them in to playable files. So it's not strictly true to say that recordings die with the old device unless copied to a HDD- or DVD/Blu-ray recorder.

12-09-2015, 10:43	#5
anthony david Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,469	Quote: Originally Posted by psm Recently got a new PVR and copied some recordings from my Humax to my new Panny hard drive - OK it was in real time but it did copy.. Interesting, how did you actually do that and what Panasonic device were you using.

12-09-2015, 12:41	#6
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by anthony david Interesting, how did you actually do that and what Panasonic device were you using. Presumably his Panasonic is a DVD/HDD recorder?, so you can copy across in real time just as with a DVD recorder?.

12-09-2015, 13:39	#7
anthony david Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,469	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Presumably his Panasonic is a DVD/HDD recorder?, so you can copy across in real time just as with a DVD recorder?. That makes sense. Would I be right in thinking such a recording would be made via scart to bypass any DRM problems?

12-09-2015, 15:16	#8
chrisjr Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 27,916	Quote: Originally Posted by anthony david That makes sense. Would I be right in thinking such a recording would be made via scart to bypass any DRM problems? It would have to be SCART or some other analogue connection via phono sockets. HDMI inputs are virtually impossible to find on recorders. And likely wouldn't work if they were provided. HDCP copy protection would kick in and prevent the recording being made.

12-09-2015, 15:44	#9
oilman Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,854	Quote: Originally Posted by chrisjr It would have to be SCART or some other analogue connection via phono sockets. HDMI inputs are virtually impossible to find on recorders. And likely wouldn't work if they were provided. HDCP copy protection would kick in and prevent the recording being made. You can buy hauppage devices (and others) that record HD, but you normally need to convert hdmi out into component signals (not composite). You can buy an hdmi to component converter. This gets round hdmi protection issues. Of course, a video camera pointed at a tv screen works

12-09-2015, 16:51	#10
webbie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Devon Posts: 1,568	Certain HDMI splitters will also remove the copy protection. A lot of the cheap no-name Chinese ones for example.

12-09-2015, 16:54	#11
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	This is how you do it, the best way, money no object. Connect the old box via HDMI to an HD modulator such as this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Edision-HD...c=1&rmvSB=true Tune your new box to the output of the HD modulator and do a manual recording (you won't be able to use the EPG of course as there isn't one).

12-09-2015, 16:58	#12
chrisjr Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 27,916	Quote: Originally Posted by webbie Certain HDMI splitters will also remove the copy protection. A lot of the cheap no-name Chinese ones for example. That may be so but not much use if the recorder doesn't have any HDMI inputs which the vast majority don't have.

12-09-2015, 19:06	#13
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by anthony david That makes sense. Would I be right in thinking such a recording would be made via scart to bypass any DRM problems? It would be made via SCART (or phonos), but protection isn't removed via that method.

12-09-2015, 19:07	#14
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by chrisjr That may be so but not much use if the recorder doesn't have any HDMI inputs which the vast majority don't have. Do any?.

12-09-2015, 20:09	#15
webbie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Devon Posts: 1,568	Hauppauge colossus capture cards for pc, or some stand alone game capture boxes have hdmi in. e.g. hauppauge rocket, or elgato. But only worth doing if you want the recordings in HD. And if you want 5.1 audio you will need the colossus or hd-pvr form hauppauge. You will need your pc or a separate media player to play back the recordings so it's a bit of a faff. For SD i'd use a dvd/hdd recorder and scart - but scart can also have copy protection on it.

12-09-2015, 22:35	#16
David (2) Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: S.West England. Posts: 18,037	What happens if you have a DVD recorder or HDD/DVD recorder which can only record via its scart port, while the pvr only has an hdmi output (no scart socket at all). I would like to see a future where online can be mature enough to hold your recordings in the cloud, or at least bookmarks to your content a bit like the Watch later feature on YouTube today. This way, there would be no "trapped" recordings on pvr's as no content would actually be on them.

12-09-2015, 23:28	#17
webbie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Devon Posts: 1,568	.. you would need a hdmi to scart converter. Lots on ebay.

12-09-2015, 23:36	#18
oilman Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,854	Quote: Originally Posted by webbie .. you would need a hdmi to scart converter. Lots on ebay. Be careful you buy a proper adaptor - some people sell fake cables with HDMI at one end and scart or VGA etc at other end. HDMI is digital, scart is analogue, so you need some electronics to convert signal. I would buy from Amazon rather than eBay as their return policy is much better.

13-09-2015, 11:02	#19
anthony david Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,469	Quote: Originally Posted by David (2) What happens if you have a DVD recorder or HDD/DVD recorder which can only record via its scart port, while the pvr only has an hdmi output (no scart socket at all). I would like to see a future where online can be mature enough to hold your recordings in the cloud, or at least bookmarks to your content a bit like the Watch later feature on YouTube today. This way, there would be no "trapped" recordings on pvr's as no content would actually be on them. This would be a service you pay for, maturity doesn't come in to it. If you want good quality it could be expensive though. Only non copyright material could be stored this way obviously, unless there was someway of paying a copyright fee of some kind.

13-09-2015, 11:34	#20
lundavra Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 25,480	Quote: Originally Posted by oilman Be careful you buy a proper adaptor - some people sell fake cables with HDMI at one end and scart or VGA etc at other end. HDMI is digital, scart is analogue, so you need some electronics to convert signal. I would buy from Amazon rather than eBay as their return policy is much better. I am dubious of Amazon, earlier in the year I was looking for a spare battery for my Canon camera. Amazon had lots claiming to be genuine Canon ones but obviously fakes badged as Canon. There were plenty of comments from people saying they were fakes but had not been removed by Amazon. I have found similar with other products so now very careful when buying through them because I think they say they are just acting as an agent and have no responsibility for goods sold through them.

13-09-2015, 11:58	#21
anthony david Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,469	Quote: Originally Posted by lundavra I am dubious of Amazon, earlier in the year I was looking for a spare battery for my Canon camera. Amazon had lots claiming to be genuine Canon ones but obviously fakes badged as Canon. There were plenty of comments from people saying they were fakes but had not been removed by Amazon. I have found similar with other products so now very careful when buying through them because I think they say they are just acting as an agent and have no responsibility for goods sold through them. Amazon are fine but I'm not so sure about Amazon Market Place.

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