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People complaining about Jenna and Farrah bitching
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Rhumbatugger
12-09-2015
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“It's not the fact of their constant bitching, and it's not that they are the only HMs who bitch. It's that their bitching lacks style, wit, intelligence, and originality, which just makes it tedious in the extreme.”

Yep, and that. Wow they are boring bitches.
Veri
12-09-2015
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I think it's valid to 'complain' about someone bitching if they're hailed as a housemate who is seen to be squeaky clean.

Sure, Farrah and Jenna bitch, but most of the others certainly do.
Yet one group is presented as 'good' and the other group presented as 'bad'.

I think it's also a misconception that ALL Farrah and Jenna do is bitch and have no fun.
This is probably the biggest misconception, because I've certainly see them having fun with other housemates, especially Jenna who seems to generally get on well with many of them as well.
Farrah is certainly nowhere near as bad as she was nearly a week ago. Which suggests to me that she might be at least trying to not get so hotheaded to some extent.”

I'd say it's valid to complain about bitching whenever you think it's making the show worse for housemates or viewers. I don't think it matters that the HMs all bitch, because (as I discussed above) some HMs are much worse than others.

I also don't think it matters very much that Farrah or Jenna sometimes has fun with other HMs, because I think that's greatly outweighed by the negative effects they have, and because it's a mere interlude between rounds of unpleasantness. There's always some tension, because it's never clear when some random thing might set Farrah off; and as a viewer I can't relax and enjoy the show because experience has shown that, however nice things seem at the moment, much of the so-called highlights will be filled with yet another round of Farrah's or Jenna's tedious "drama".

I don't agree that Farrah is nowhere near as bad as she was, and after seeing what BB's done in recent years, I think viewers should be suspicious of anything that makes it seem she is changing for the better or will be getting a journey / redemption story line like Helen's.
babs_lawrie
12-09-2015
I'm surprised they have time to say anything at all with the way they are stuffing that foid down their throats. They have not stopped since they went in .
patsylimerick
12-09-2015
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Some people complain about Farrah and Jenna bitching, but by some bizarre quirk of fate they've somehow managed to accidentally vote them both into the secret room, which is the perfect environment for them to bitch in. How did that happen?
It must have been the very last thing they would have possibly wanted to happen. But somehow it did.”

Beautifully put. The answer, of course, is that those who voted them in there LOVE to pour their moral indignation into their criticisms of Farrah and Jenna. They LOVE having two loud, plastic, fake, former sex workers - and importantly, AMERICAN loud plastic, fake, former sex workers - who they can look down on SO much and for SO many different reasons that they feel supremely virtuous. BB production are pimps of vitriol at this stage.

Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“Couldn't agree more, but it doesn't suit their storyline.

They both bitch and have shown a negative side. Some may be nastier than others, some may have instigated the bitching and I could agree with that, but thats not the point for me. All of us would show a bitchy side in there at some point, we're all human. Placed in a stressful and uncomfortable environment, where people have upset you and you may feel you don't want to tackle it head on in case you cause a bigger arguement, but you need someone to talk to about it, means you will end up talking about someone negatively. It happens, especially when theres no escape and you've nothing else to do but think abut these issues all day. Theres also times where you will lose the rag, say things you wouldn't normally say, behave worse than you otherwise would etc

Of course some are worse than others and we'll all have favourites. But I want to see everyones negative as well as positive sides - warts and all, and judge for myself. My problem with BB is they want more a hero and villains scenario, not only for the drama purposes, but they want the winner to seem like a hero, like someone who deserved it and not be tainted by a lot of negative behaviours that we may have watched (they also want the public to be motivated to vote for a winner).....and so often hide the 'popular' or likely winners negative stuff, while highlighting their 'enemies' negatives more....manipulating exactly how things were in order to make arguements, more black and white. Even if that popular one happens to be less bitchy than the others, its only fair that we see all sides of all the HM's imo. They also quite often manipulate things to target the 'baddie' and this can result in even more negative behaviour from them as they're faced with more stress and so it goes on.... I think its done this way so people feel more justified with who they've chosen as winners and losers. As its hard for most to accept that even reasonable people on the outside, if faced with that environment would most likely show a more negative side to their character.”

Great post.
Rhumbatugger
12-09-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Beautifully put. The answer, of course, is that those who voted them in there LOVE to pour their moral indignation into their criticisms of Farrah and Jenna. They LOVE having two loud, plastic, fake, former sex workers - and importantly, AMERICAN loud plastic, fake, former sex workers - who they can look down on SO much and for SO many different reasons that they feel supremely virtuous. BB production are pimps of vitriol at this stage.



Great post. ”

Right so Farrah and Jenna have no agency of their own then? They are practically FORCED to bitch, constantly and boringly by BB?

Okay then.
patsylimerick
12-09-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Right so Farrah and Jenna have no agency of their own then? They are practically FORCED to bitch, constantly and boringly by BB?

Okay then.”

Where did I say any of that? Do try reading what you are responding to.
Rhumbatugger
12-09-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Where did I say any of that? Do try reading what you are responding to.”

What did you mean by 'pimps of vitriol' then?

Honest question.
bluebottle
12-09-2015
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Some people complain about Farrah and Jenna bitching, but by some bizarre quirk of fate they've som.....ehow managed to accidentally vote them both into the secret room, which is the perfect environment for them to bitch in. How did that happen?
It must have been the very last thing they would have possibly wanted to happen. But somehow it did.”

I dont think its a quirk of fate the public wanted the two obnoxious housemates to be the butt of their double twist and they have done........ well done the public
rhizo_mania
12-09-2015
They all bitch and moan to varying degrees, It's just that the two stars of this years show have been focused on more and enjoy more airtime than the others, they could have been totally ignored and full focus could have been turned onto Sherrie and Gail but production have chosen not to do that.
Ketamine
12-09-2015
Bitching isn't necessarily good or bad, it depends what you're bitching about and how you do it. Of course some people here have absolutely no sense of proportionality and think someone who rolls their eyes is just as bad as someone who screams at people that they're going to spit on them and throw bottles at them. So of course to these people all bitching is equal, and those doing it just as bad.

I think if anyone was in there it would be pretty hard not to bitch about Farah sometimes. When your living with an absolute bitch for weeks it would effect your mood.
Bacon&Eggs
12-09-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Perhaps the people who are complaining about their bitching didn't vote for them to go to the secret room. I certainly didn't vote for them.”

That's fair, although from a Jarrah perspective they could only view this twist as encouragement to do what they've been doing. Even amp it up more so. The Americans are slowly learning what BBUK mean by "game" and here they are playing it to the best of their ability for the fans who picked up their phone and voted for them.



Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“Couldn't agree more, but it doesn't suit their storyline.

They both bitch and have shown a negative side. Some may be nastier than others, some may have instigated the bitching and I could agree with that, but thats not the point for me. All of us would show a bitchy side in there at some point, we're all human. Placed in a stressful and uncomfortable environment, where people have upset you and you may feel you don't want to tackle it head on in case you cause a bigger arguement, but you need someone to talk to about it, means you will end up talking about someone negatively. It happens, especially when theres no escape and you've nothing else to do but think abut these issues all day. Theres also times where you will lose the rag, say things you wouldn't normally say, behave worse than you otherwise would etc

Of course some are worse than others and we'll all have favourites. But I want to see everyones negative as well as positive sides - warts and all, and judge for myself. My problem with BB is they want more a hero and villains scenario, not only for the drama purposes, but they want the winner to seem like a hero, like someone who deserved it and not be tainted by a lot of negative behaviours that we may have watched (they also want the public to be motivated to vote for a winner).....and so often hide the 'popular' or likely winners negative stuff, while highlighting their 'enemies' negatives more....manipulating exactly how things were in order to make arguements, more black and white. Even if that popular one happens to be less bitchy than the others, its only fair that we see all sides of all the HM's imo. They also quite often manipulate things to target the 'baddie' and this can result in even more negative behaviour from them as they're faced with more stress and so it goes on.... I think its done this way so people feel more justified with who they've chosen as winners and losers. As its hard for most to accept that even reasonable people on the outside, if faced with that environment would most likely show a more negative side to their character.”

Excellent post.

Originally Posted by catt:
“I really do not think it is possible to edit a LF that shows J and F in the private room bitching about every single thing they are seeing. Every single thing.”

I have a feeling Their LF is not the same as ours. At one stage during last night, LF switched between (1) Scoop and Natasha in the bedroom talking about Farrah and Jenna, and (2) Gail and Stevie talking about Gail's upbringing as a kid. No doubt that Gail's convo was great tv, kind of reminded me of old HL's (rose tinted glasses maybe) But as our LF switched back to the secret room from the garden i wondered which conversation Jarrah had been watching. Based on their reactions i don't see how it could have been the same garden conversation i'd just seen.

I think they'd been watching the bedroom cameras whilst we'd been watching the garden. If so, you may well get the incorrect impression that Jarrah are bitching about every single thing.
patsylimerick
12-09-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“What did you mean by 'pimps of vitriol' then?

Honest question.”

I mean the viewers love to be vitriolic about a 'baddie' so BB provide the right housemates, the right edit and away we go.
Veri
13-09-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Beautifully put. The answer, of course, is that those who voted them in there LOVE to pour their moral indignation into their criticisms of Farrah and Jenna. They LOVE having two loud, plastic, fake, former sex workers - and importantly, AMERICAN loud plastic, fake, former sex workers - who they can look down on SO much and for SO many different reasons that they feel supremely virtuous. BB production are pimps of vitriol at this stage.
...”

Is there any good evidence that Jenna and Farrah were voted into the secret room by people who complain about their bitching? Or that they were voted into the secret room by people who "LOVE having two loud, plastic, fake, former sex workers", etc?

Since Farrah and Jenna are hard to defend, it looks like such claims are being used to attack those who criticise the Tedious Two instead.
Veri
13-09-2015
Originally Posted by rhizo_mania:
“They all bitch and moan to varying degrees, It's just that the two stars of this years show have been focused on more and enjoy more airtime than the others, they could have been totally ignored and full focus could have been turned onto Sherrie and Gail but production have chosen not to do that.”

Since the HMs bitch and moan to varying degrees, why couldn't it be that the Tedious Two are bitching and moaning to a greater degree than other HMs, rather just being that they "have been focused on more and enjoy more airtime than the others"?
Ketamine
13-09-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“
Since Farrah and Jenna are hard to defend, it looks like such claims are being used to attack those who criticise the Tedious Two instead.”

Exactly right.
ageappropriate
13-09-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I mean the viewers love to be vitriolic about a 'baddie' so BB provide the right housemates, the right edit and away we go.”

That's presumptuous of you. As a viewer I enjoy watching the HMs get to know each other and have fun, all this mindless arguing is dull, dull, dull. Half the time I can't even figure out what they're bothering to argue about.
Kopite1763
13-09-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I think the problem with Jenna and Farrah bitching is that they are so blindly hypocritical about it.

The shout about 'being real' and 'fake assed bitches', whilst actually being WORSE than the others.

Not that the others don't bitch, it's the level of hypocrisy and lack of self awareness, coupled with self justification and vitriol.

It's really unpleasant.”

I wholeheartedly concur
Rhumbatugger
13-09-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I mean the viewers love to be vitriolic about a 'baddie' so BB provide the right housemates, the right edit and away we go.”

I'm sorry that still doesn't work. Farrah and Jenna still have choices in how they react. If they didn't say these things they wouldn't be in any edit.

Being the 'right people', doesn't mean they have no agency.
trevor tiger
13-09-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I think the problem with Jenna and Farrah bitching is that they are so blindly hypocritical about it.

The shout about 'being real' and 'fake assed bitches', whilst actually being WORSE than the others.

Not that the others don't bitch, it's the level of hypocrisy and lack of self awareness, coupled with self justification and vitriol.

It's really unpleasant.”

I agree. I do think their utter lack of self awareness is pretty funny though and I'm not sure how much of it is actually down to thickness. They seem to think being fake and 2 faced is to do with liking or rather not liking them If you don't like them you are 2 faced and fake I particularly enjoyed Farrah suggesting that she would just dismiss the British Public as fake if they voted to evict her
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