He said that Episode 10 was bumped up the running order to serve as a finale lead-in IIRC... which I may not do.
Series 9 Episode Titles Confirmed
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Originally Posted by Corwin:
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Did he? I know he talked about writing the cliffhanger to Ep 11 at some point giving the impression that 11 and 12 were a 2 parter but it could be that Ep11 is more like Closing Time with a scene at the end leading into Ep12 that's unrelated to the rest of ep11.”
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Did he? I know he talked about writing the cliffhanger to Ep 11 at some point giving the impression that 11 and 12 were a 2 parter but it could be that Ep11 is more like Closing Time with a scene at the end leading into Ep12 that's unrelated to the rest of ep11.”
No he didn't, but Capaldi did.
'In the interview, we also learnt that as well as some single parters and two-parters, there will also be some three part episodes in Series 9, with Capaldi saying “Some of them are three-parters. And there’s one parters. It’s a good development, it allows the writers a bit more time with their characters and story.”'
Found that here: http://www.kasterborous.com/2015/08/...aled-midnight/
I'm guessing that the three-parter is the last three. And one other piece of info apparently from on set (not sure about this one):
Spoiler
Another Heaven/Hell themed finale title. Interesting.
Overall I like these titles a lot. None of them sound boring to me like The Caretaker, and none of them have me feeling a bit indifferent like Deep Breath and Into the Dalek did. I think the pairings of interconnected titles just add an element of coolness that we haven't had with the titles in previous series'.
Overall I like these titles a lot. None of them sound boring to me like The Caretaker, and none of them have me feeling a bit indifferent like Deep Breath and Into the Dalek did. I think the pairings of interconnected titles just add an element of coolness that we haven't had with the titles in previous series'.
Interesting titles all round.
Apparently The Girl Who Died is where the Doctor recalls where he has seen his face before. It still makes me wonder, now more than ever, if this is how the story is linked to following episode The Woman Who Lived. What if Maisie Williams is in both but comes across the Doctor from various time zones...what if this is how The Doctor realises people including himself seem to share faces or something.
As for the finale titles, interesting that we've got another 'heaven' in there. I wonder if as a phrase 'heaven sent' means that Capaldi is simply sent into various times to save people, he's the face that "heaven sent" to rescue us...say in Pompeii, as one example maybe? Then the finale may well involve him being 'hell bent' on saving Clara or something?
Apparently The Girl Who Died is where the Doctor recalls where he has seen his face before. It still makes me wonder, now more than ever, if this is how the story is linked to following episode The Woman Who Lived. What if Maisie Williams is in both but comes across the Doctor from various time zones...what if this is how The Doctor realises people including himself seem to share faces or something.
As for the finale titles, interesting that we've got another 'heaven' in there. I wonder if as a phrase 'heaven sent' means that Capaldi is simply sent into various times to save people, he's the face that "heaven sent" to rescue us...say in Pompeii, as one example maybe? Then the finale may well involve him being 'hell bent' on saving Clara or something?
Originally Posted by AdzPower:
“Why aren't they doing 13 episode series anymore?”
“Why aren't they doing 13 episode series anymore?”
Production most likely. They had to invent Doctor/Companion lite episodes in Series 2-5 so that could fit 13 eps in a series and then both Series 6 and 7 had a split. Presumably it was the best way of ensuring that we could get a full series with no enforced Doctor/Clara lite episodes (the one-hander is clearly plot driven rather than production).
Originally Posted by Whovian1109:
“Production most likely. They had to invent Doctor/Companion lite episodes in Series 2-5 so that could fit 13 eps in a series and then both Series 6 and 7 had a split. Presumably it was the best way of ensuring that we could get a full series with no enforced Doctor/Clara lite episodes (the one-hander is clearly plot driven rather than production).”
“Production most likely. They had to invent Doctor/Companion lite episodes in Series 2-5 so that could fit 13 eps in a series and then both Series 6 and 7 had a split. Presumably it was the best way of ensuring that we could get a full series with no enforced Doctor/Clara lite episodes (the one-hander is clearly plot driven rather than production).”
Flatline in Series 8 was also a Doctor-lite story, though did a great job at covering it up. Capaldi's only scenes were filmed on the TARDIS by himself, and also briefly on-location at the abandoned train station in Bristol
Series 6 also did a Doctor-lite story in The Girl Who Waited, again with Matt Smith's scenes all being on the TARDIS. Series 7 I think lacked a Doctor-lite episode, but then it was spread over two years and I guess they had more time to film.
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“Flatline in Series 8 was also a Doctor-lite story, though did a great job at covering it up. Capaldi's only scenes were filmed on the TARDIS by himself, and also briefly on-location at the abandoned train station in Bristol
Series 6 also did a Doctor-lite story in The Girl Who Waited, again with Matt Smith's scenes all being on the TARDIS. Series 7 I think lacked a Doctor-lite episode, but then it was spread over two years and I guess they had more time to film.”
“Flatline in Series 8 was also a Doctor-lite story, though did a great job at covering it up. Capaldi's only scenes were filmed on the TARDIS by himself, and also briefly on-location at the abandoned train station in Bristol
Series 6 also did a Doctor-lite story in The Girl Who Waited, again with Matt Smith's scenes all being on the TARDIS. Series 7 I think lacked a Doctor-lite episode, but then it was spread over two years and I guess they had more time to film.
”
Good point. But then Series 6 was filmed all in one go which would explain why they needed one.
I didn't realise Flatline was a Doctor-lite ep but then I do recall they had to press filming together and film Flatline and eps 7 and 8 at the same time. In my mind that's how Doctor-lite episodes should be: if you need one, make it so that the Doctor is still in the story to a large degree (but then that's just me not being a huge fan of Doctor/Companion lite eps in general). Either way it just backs up the idea that they simply don't have time to film 13 eps.
Originally Posted by Whovian1109:
“Either way it just backs up the idea that they simply don't have time to film 13 eps.”
“Either way it just backs up the idea that they simply don't have time to film 13 eps.”
I think it boils down to that as well to be honest...that thirteenth episode is somewhat the feather that breaks the camels back.
All the series show some sign of limitations around the edges, be it Series 1 with an episode set wholly in contemporary Cardiff, or Series 4 and 6 which have both Doctor and companion-lite episodes.
Interestingly though whilst Series 8 was only twelve episodes, the opening episode was extended to 75 minutes or so, and the final episode to 60 minutes - that's an extra episode's worth of time right there. It makes me wonder if the difficulties aren't down to timing constraints (as even with Flatline, Series 8 was coherently a series that managed to deliver all episodes with heavy involvement from both leads) but possibly down to budget reasons, or possibly location limitations (some of the on-location places can only be used for so long, and often at certain times of days which can create massive challenges).
I wonder if perhaps Face the Raven and Hell Bent will feel like a two-part finale, with Heaven Sent as an 'interlude' which picks up from where Face the Raven's cliffhanger left off but leaves that moment 'paused' for everyone except the Doctor.
I wonder if the majority of people ever stop to think what the saying 'Hell Bent' actually means.
Saying someone is 'Hell bent' on doing something is saying they are so focused on it, so determined to achieve it that they will take themselves to Hell to do it. The actions they will perform in its pursuit will ultimately send them to Hell.
In that light it's a very intriguing title.
Saying someone is 'Hell bent' on doing something is saying they are so focused on it, so determined to achieve it that they will take themselves to Hell to do it. The actions they will perform in its pursuit will ultimately send them to Hell.
In that light it's a very intriguing title.
Originally Posted by AdzPower:
“Why aren't they doing 13 episode series anymore?”
“Why aren't they doing 13 episode series anymore?”
Lies! Lies! There's now more Doctor Who than ever before! That's why you're never more than just a matter of weeks away from brand new Who episodes with every Dalek ever in them!
Moffat said as much, and anyone who doesn't agree is probably living in their grandmother's basement, afraid of girls, etc, etc.
Mostly sounds very intriguing and interesting. The one thing I have a problem with in those descriptions though is this bit from moffat, in the episode 2 description.
"What is the Doctor’s confession? Why did he really leave Gallifrey all those centuries ago? And is it a secret he is willing to give up?"
I really don't want to hear or know anything about the above. The doctor stole a TARDIS and ran away to see the universe. That's the general line. Why does that have to be trampled over by some newly thought up, specific different reason, that is just to serve this particular series.
Of course it will depend on exactly what is said and how, but I don't like the sound of it from that quote.
"What is the Doctor’s confession? Why did he really leave Gallifrey all those centuries ago? And is it a secret he is willing to give up?"
I really don't want to hear or know anything about the above. The doctor stole a TARDIS and ran away to see the universe. That's the general line. Why does that have to be trampled over by some newly thought up, specific different reason, that is just to serve this particular series.
Of course it will depend on exactly what is said and how, but I don't like the sound of it from that quote.
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“I really don't want to hear or know anything about the above. The doctor stole a TARDIS and ran away to see the universe. That's the general line. Why does that have to be trampled over by some newly thought up, specific different reason, that is just to serve this particular series.”
“I really don't want to hear or know anything about the above. The doctor stole a TARDIS and ran away to see the universe. That's the general line. Why does that have to be trampled over by some newly thought up, specific different reason, that is just to serve this particular series.”
I agree. As Sydney Newman said in An Adventure in Space & Time, "It's Doctor Who, remember."
I worry that Moffat feels he hasn't left a significant mark on the show's lore, certainly compared to RTD.
His attempt to reinvent the Daleks failed. I don't think River Song is the new Captain Jack, let alone the Brig. Clara being retro-written into the whole of the classic era and even there on Gallifrey at the beginning (despite being a human) doesn't seem to have elevated her position in the public's pecking order above Rose, SJS or Tegan. Showing us the inside of the Tardis and even visualising the Eye of Harmony was instantly forgettable. He fixed the 12 regenerations limit by having a bit of glowy light pop into Matt Smith's mouth. The Silents have, ironically, been forgotten, given his hyperbole at the time about them being the new big iconic monster alongside the Daleks and Cybermen (with Caro Skinner obligingly nodding alongside him). The search for Gallifrey hasn't really gone anywhere, it just keeps being mentioned. Explaining that the Tardis sound is just the brakes being left on has been ignored by both the show and its viewers like the Doctor being half-human was in 1996.
I just hope Moffat's latest claim has as much substance as his previous hyperbole about every Dalek ever and Clara being pushed further than any other companion, etc.
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“I really don't want to hear or know anything about the above. The doctor stole a TARDIS and ran away to see the universe. That's the general line. Why does that have to be trampled over by some newly thought up, specific different reason, that is just to serve this particular series.
Of course it will depend on exactly what is said and how, but I don't like the sound of it from that quote.”
“I really don't want to hear or know anything about the above. The doctor stole a TARDIS and ran away to see the universe. That's the general line. Why does that have to be trampled over by some newly thought up, specific different reason, that is just to serve this particular series.
Of course it will depend on exactly what is said and how, but I don't like the sound of it from that quote.”
It's an odd conflict really - Moffat is often criticised for having stories that are utterly inconsequential - he doesn't let death stick, he reverses time, he leaves questions open ended. And yet at the very same time, he's also probably leaving the biggest stamp on Doctor Who lore of anyone - he worked in an extra regeneration, dealt with the regeneration-limit, rewrote the conclusion of the Time War, showed the Doctor at the youngest we've ever seen him in Listen, has shown the first gender-changed Time Lord with Missy, over doubled the Doctor's age in the space of a single story, involved the Doctor in three marriages (River Song, Marilyn Monroe, Elizabeth I), explained the TARDIS noise as being the brakes being left on, and quite recently having the deceased Brig (as per a poignant scene in the Series 6 finale) converted into CyberBrig (as per a Robert-Downey-Jr-eat-your-heart-out moment in the Series 8 finale).
Some developments I've liked, others I've loathed. This will end up being one of those divisive things I suspect, I'm just hoping I'm on the favourable side of whatever explanation we're bound to be getting. I just hope the stamp he leaves on the show isn't much bigger than it currently is as for better or for worse he risks jeopardising the mystery of the character. He risks becoming one of those fans who complains the show is too much focused on the companion - the startling difference between them and him is that he currently wields the power to change that pivotal balance.
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“It's an odd conflict really - Moffat is often criticised for having stories that are utterly inconsequential - he doesn't let death stick, he reverses time, he leaves questions open ended. And yet at the very same time, he's also probably leaving the biggest stamp on Doctor Who lore of anyone - he worked in an extra regeneration, dealt with the regeneration-limit, rewrote the conclusion of the Time War, showed the Doctor at the youngest we've ever seen him in Listen, has shown the first gender-changed Time Lord with Missy, over doubled the Doctor's age in the space of a single story, involved the Doctor in three marriages (River Song, Marilyn Monroe, Elizabeth I), explained the TARDIS noise as being the brakes being left on, and quite recently having the deceased Brig (as per a poignant scene in the Series 6 finale) converted into CyberBrig (as per a Robert-Downey-Jr-eat-your-heart-out moment in the Series 8 finale).
.”
“It's an odd conflict really - Moffat is often criticised for having stories that are utterly inconsequential - he doesn't let death stick, he reverses time, he leaves questions open ended. And yet at the very same time, he's also probably leaving the biggest stamp on Doctor Who lore of anyone - he worked in an extra regeneration, dealt with the regeneration-limit, rewrote the conclusion of the Time War, showed the Doctor at the youngest we've ever seen him in Listen, has shown the first gender-changed Time Lord with Missy, over doubled the Doctor's age in the space of a single story, involved the Doctor in three marriages (River Song, Marilyn Monroe, Elizabeth I), explained the TARDIS noise as being the brakes being left on, and quite recently having the deceased Brig (as per a poignant scene in the Series 6 finale) converted into CyberBrig (as per a Robert-Downey-Jr-eat-your-heart-out moment in the Series 8 finale).
.”
And all this while people tell us that the show is hardly about the Doctor anymore and too focused on the companions
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“And all this while people tell us that the show is hardly about the Doctor anymore and too focused on the companions”
“And all this while people tell us that the show is hardly about the Doctor anymore and too focused on the companions
”
Ultimately the same kind of people who constantly demand a barrage of returning characters, or seem to think any decent character in a given episode is spin-off-worthy.
Whilst I couldn't have seen the back of Danny Pink any quicker, I'd still sooner have a year of his boring little arc thingy than another huge revelation about why the Doctor did a thing a really long time ago, and how we can go about depicting and timey-wimeying the hell out of it
Some further speculation...
Didn't Michelle Gomez say quite recently that it was "no coincidence" that her 'heaven' garden (and that's not a nu-age euphemism!) was a location that had appeared in the series previously? Could there be a link to the fact that one of the episodes refers to heaven once again? For reference the garden in question was seen in Deep Breath, The Girl Who Waited, Torchwood's Something Borrowed, and The Sarah Jane Adventure's The Eternity Trap.
Naturally Gomez could just be throwing people off the scent or trolling the audience as it were. It does work that as a location close to Cardiff, the garden is just convenient and doesn't need explaining. On the other hand, it could also be The Master's TARDIS? This is of course all throwing in speculation that Missy could be back again later on in the series. I personally think she'll have a bigger role to play than just in the first two-parter.
Another note of speculation, could the story pairings all be to do with perspectives? We may be seeing stories told from different points of view, or different points of time that allow for a grander coherency? As such...
I also just noticed that the Zygon episode titles have been changed to The Zygon Invasion and The Zygon Inversion, rather than the other way around. I also noticed that for people talking in acronyms, both episodes are going to be abbreviated to TZI
I guess it'll be TZIa and TZIe or something.
Didn't Michelle Gomez say quite recently that it was "no coincidence" that her 'heaven' garden (and that's not a nu-age euphemism!) was a location that had appeared in the series previously? Could there be a link to the fact that one of the episodes refers to heaven once again? For reference the garden in question was seen in Deep Breath, The Girl Who Waited, Torchwood's Something Borrowed, and The Sarah Jane Adventure's The Eternity Trap.
Naturally Gomez could just be throwing people off the scent or trolling the audience as it were. It does work that as a location close to Cardiff, the garden is just convenient and doesn't need explaining. On the other hand, it could also be The Master's TARDIS? This is of course all throwing in speculation that Missy could be back again later on in the series. I personally think she'll have a bigger role to play than just in the first two-parter.
Another note of speculation, could the story pairings all be to do with perspectives? We may be seeing stories told from different points of view, or different points of time that allow for a grander coherency? As such...
Spoiler
I also just noticed that the Zygon episode titles have been changed to The Zygon Invasion and The Zygon Inversion, rather than the other way around. I also noticed that for people talking in acronyms, both episodes are going to be abbreviated to TZI
I guess it'll be TZIa and TZIe or something.
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“Some further speculation...
Didn't Michelle Gomez say quite recently that it was "no coincidence" that her 'heaven' garden (and that's not a nu-age euphemism!) was a location that had appeared in the series previously? Could there be a link to the fact that one of the episodes refers to heaven once again? For reference the garden in question was seen in Deep Breath, The Girl Who Waited, Torchwood's Something Borrowed, and The Sarah Jane Adventure's The Eternity Trap.
Naturally Gomez could just be throwing people off the scent or trolling the audience as it were. It does work that as a location close to Cardiff, the garden is just convenient and doesn't need explaining. On the other hand, it could also be The Master's TARDIS? This is of course all throwing in speculation that Missy could be back again later on in the series. I personally think she'll have a bigger role to play than just in the first two-parter.
Another note of speculation, could the story pairings all be to do with perspectives? We may be seeing stories told from different points of view, or different points of time that allow for a grander coherency? As such...
I also just noticed that the Zygon episode titles have been changed to The Zygon Invasion and The Zygon Inversion, rather than the other way around. I also noticed that for people talking in acronyms, both episodes are going to be abbreviated to TZI I guess it'll be TZIa and TZIe or something. ”
“Some further speculation...
Didn't Michelle Gomez say quite recently that it was "no coincidence" that her 'heaven' garden (and that's not a nu-age euphemism!) was a location that had appeared in the series previously? Could there be a link to the fact that one of the episodes refers to heaven once again? For reference the garden in question was seen in Deep Breath, The Girl Who Waited, Torchwood's Something Borrowed, and The Sarah Jane Adventure's The Eternity Trap.
Naturally Gomez could just be throwing people off the scent or trolling the audience as it were. It does work that as a location close to Cardiff, the garden is just convenient and doesn't need explaining. On the other hand, it could also be The Master's TARDIS? This is of course all throwing in speculation that Missy could be back again later on in the series. I personally think she'll have a bigger role to play than just in the first two-parter.
Another note of speculation, could the story pairings all be to do with perspectives? We may be seeing stories told from different points of view, or different points of time that allow for a grander coherency? As such...
Spoiler
I also just noticed that the Zygon episode titles have been changed to The Zygon Invasion and The Zygon Inversion, rather than the other way around. I also noticed that for people talking in acronyms, both episodes are going to be abbreviated to TZI
I guess it'll be TZIa and TZIe or something. ”
Its difficult to seperate what's just sneaky mis-direction and what's a genuine hint. There certainly seems to be something running deeper than just the fact we have sort-of two parters. Something to do with duality or opposing perspectives or...
I dunno. You've got the Magician versus the Witch. The Invasion versus the Inversion. 'Real' Humans versus 'Fake' Humans (Zygons). Lived versus Died. Heaven versus Hell.
Must be more there.
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“I also just noticed that the Zygon episode titles have been changed to The Zygon Invasion and The Zygon Inversion, rather than the other way around. I also noticed that for people talking in acronyms, both episodes are going to be abbreviated to TZI I guess it'll be TZIa and TZIe or something. ”
“I also just noticed that the Zygon episode titles have been changed to The Zygon Invasion and The Zygon Inversion, rather than the other way around. I also noticed that for people talking in acronyms, both episodes are going to be abbreviated to TZI
I guess it'll be TZIa and TZIe or something. ”
Surely it's going to have to be TZI and IZT.
Originally Posted by Whovian1109:
“No he didn't, but Capaldi did.
'In the interview, we also learnt that as well as some single parters and two-parters, there will also be some three part episodes in Series 9, with Capaldi saying “Some of them are three-parters. And there’s one parters. It’s a good development, it allows the writers a bit more time with their characters and story.”'
Found that here: http://www.kasterborous.com/2015/08/...aled-midnight/
I'm guessing that the three-parter is the last three. And one other piece of info apparently from on set (not sure about this one):
”
“No he didn't, but Capaldi did.
'In the interview, we also learnt that as well as some single parters and two-parters, there will also be some three part episodes in Series 9, with Capaldi saying “Some of them are three-parters. And there’s one parters. It’s a good development, it allows the writers a bit more time with their characters and story.”'
Found that here: http://www.kasterborous.com/2015/08/...aled-midnight/
I'm guessing that the three-parter is the last three. And one other piece of info apparently from on set (not sure about this one):
Spoiler
I was thinking it would be in the same vein as Utopia, where it isn't part of the same story, but rather leads in significantly into the final story...
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“Mostly sounds very intriguing and interesting. The one thing I have a problem with in those descriptions though is this bit from moffat, in the episode 2 description.
"What is the Doctor’s confession? Why did he really leave Gallifrey all those centuries ago? And is it a secret he is willing to give up?"
I really don't want to hear or know anything about the above. The doctor stole a TARDIS and ran away to see the universe. That's the general line. Why does that have to be trampled over by some newly thought up, specific different reason, that is just to serve this particular series.
Of course it will depend on exactly what is said and how, but I don't like the sound of it from that quote.”
“Mostly sounds very intriguing and interesting. The one thing I have a problem with in those descriptions though is this bit from moffat, in the episode 2 description.
"What is the Doctor’s confession? Why did he really leave Gallifrey all those centuries ago? And is it a secret he is willing to give up?"
I really don't want to hear or know anything about the above. The doctor stole a TARDIS and ran away to see the universe. That's the general line. Why does that have to be trampled over by some newly thought up, specific different reason, that is just to serve this particular series.
Of course it will depend on exactly what is said and how, but I don't like the sound of it from that quote.”
It's the main thing I really don't want to know anything more about. Can't they just leave at least one damned thing unsaid? Why is Moffat constantly reaching back into the Doctor's life? We've already got Clara turning up in all my classic series DVDs poking her nose in. The scene of him stealing the Tardis was good fun and all that, but I don't like thinking about it as the way he really stole it, with a chirpy, quipping know all egging him on.
Originally Posted by Isambard Brunel:
“I agree. As Sydney Newman said in An Adventure in Space & Time, "It's Doctor Who, remember."”
“I agree. As Sydney Newman said in An Adventure in Space & Time, "It's Doctor Who, remember."”
Quite. I'm about as interested in Moffat's take on it as I was in Cartmel's origins ideas, with the Other, Looms and all that cobblers.
Although the "I'm the last of my kind" thing was something I didn't much care for in 2005, at least RTD's lasting legacy on Who lore was something fresh that didn't crap on my DVD collection very much. Moffat should be satisfied with his rather clever War Doctor thing, giving him a fresh load of regenerations and, if he gets round to doing it, the return of Gallifrey.
If we're lucky he'll handle it like he did with the Doctor's name - tease about it but not reveal.
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“Actually these are
The Zygon Invasion
The Zygon Inversion
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO3o-5_WsAAsD_n.png
Before the Flood
Anything to do with Waters of Mars?”
“Actually these are
The Zygon Invasion
The Zygon Inversion
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO3o-5_WsAAsD_n.png
Before the Flood
Anything to do with Waters of Mars?”
I'd love The Flood from Waters of Mars to return, but don't think it will be happening this year though
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