The simple truth is that both of them would come across better as they wouldn't have anyone to spend their day talking shit about people with and they'd be forced to integrate more with the other housemates. Unfortuntaley they've proved that they are very loyal to each other and I really don't see that changing any time soon in there.
If Jenna spilt from Farrah could she redeem herself?
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On Friday when Farrah was being evicted. jenna said about sorting out the business when she got out.
Jenna will be producing Farrah's adult movie career. It's all about the money and business on the outside. There's a lot of money involved for Farrah to have Jenna managing her adult movie career, and there's a lot of bank for Jenna to make out of Farrah even if only short term.
That's why they are so far up each other xxses a position they are both frequently accustomed to.
All the best
Haway xx
Jenna will be producing Farrah's adult movie career. It's all about the money and business on the outside. There's a lot of money involved for Farrah to have Jenna managing her adult movie career, and there's a lot of bank for Jenna to make out of Farrah even if only short term.
That's why they are so far up each other xxses a position they are both frequently accustomed to.
All the best
Haway xx
Originally Posted by blahblahblah57:
“First of all Jenna could only be close to Farrah or Scoop in that house as she has to be besties with an American due to her weird, competitive belief that the house is a US/UK divide even out with the tasks. Why, she even criticises Austin and Janice for being traitors because they mix well with the Brits even although both have been fiercely competitive and patriotic whilst in task mode.
Bearing in mind the above, if she drops Farrah her only besty option is Scoop. Now say what you will about his preaching and his inability to tell the girls when they're wrong, there is no way she would be able to influence and manipulate Scoop the way she does Farrah as a) he is too fair minded and b) his being influenced would never result in the hostile behaviour being displayed, on occasion, by Farrah.
Jenna has no option but to remain friends with Farrah because
a) Farrah is easily manipulated - she is the one who behaves badly when addressing the crowd allowing Jenna to look good
b) Jenna can continue her rampant nationalism with her as a friend and
c) I genuinely do believe there is an element of her thinking she is looking after Farrah - when, in fact, Farrah would probably flourish more without Jenna.”
“First of all Jenna could only be close to Farrah or Scoop in that house as she has to be besties with an American due to her weird, competitive belief that the house is a US/UK divide even out with the tasks. Why, she even criticises Austin and Janice for being traitors because they mix well with the Brits even although both have been fiercely competitive and patriotic whilst in task mode.
Bearing in mind the above, if she drops Farrah her only besty option is Scoop. Now say what you will about his preaching and his inability to tell the girls when they're wrong, there is no way she would be able to influence and manipulate Scoop the way she does Farrah as a) he is too fair minded and b) his being influenced would never result in the hostile behaviour being displayed, on occasion, by Farrah.
Jenna has no option but to remain friends with Farrah because
a) Farrah is easily manipulated - she is the one who behaves badly when addressing the crowd allowing Jenna to look good
b) Jenna can continue her rampant nationalism with her as a friend and
c) I genuinely do believe there is an element of her thinking she is looking after Farrah - when, in fact, Farrah would probably flourish more without Jenna.”
There's nothing weird about that. For this series this is the name of the game and will be a purpose of the game which they will have sold to her before she signed on the dotted line for the show.
In some ways she's playing the game (for this series) more correctly than anybody else.
Jenna is THE biggest two-faced cow in there. Before she was partners in crime with Farrah, she used to slag her off to the other housemates. Hate her.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“ In some ways she's playing the game (for this series) more correctly than anybody else.”
“ In some ways she's playing the game (for this series) more correctly than anybody else.”
Call me old fashioned, but shouldn't the winner be the person who is most liked in the house and by the public?
Originally Posted by strato222:
“Call me old fashioned, but shouldn't the winner be the person who is most liked in the house and by the public?”
“Call me old fashioned, but shouldn't the winner be the person who is most liked in the house and by the public?”
In the context of this particular series it's tagline is UK versus USA, which isn't like any other series.
One person thinks that I understated
one person this this that I was melodramatic..
I can't win.
and Alrightmate, I am talking about 'redemption in the eyes of the public', not The Lord God Almighty, Himself. She seems pretty disliked at the moment.... but I suspect you know that.
And if you're going to questioning my use of language your own use of the word 'for' was incorrect it should be should have said 'from what'. But because I know what you meant I'll let that go by.
Originally Posted by roadieboys:
“Decent? Really?”
“Decent? Really?”
one person this this that I was melodramatic..
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Redemption for what?
A bit of a melodramatic term isn't it? What has she done that's so bad that she needs to redeem herself?”
“Redemption for what?
A bit of a melodramatic term isn't it? What has she done that's so bad that she needs to redeem herself?”
I can't win.
and Alrightmate, I am talking about 'redemption in the eyes of the public', not The Lord God Almighty, Himself. She seems pretty disliked at the moment.... but I suspect you know that.
And if you're going to questioning my use of language your own use of the word 'for' was incorrect it should be should have said 'from what'. But because I know what you meant I'll let that go by.
!
Originally Posted by strato222:
“He won't tell the girls when they're wrong AND he's fair minded? Jenna doesn't NEED to manipulate Scoop as they're both on the same page.”
“He won't tell the girls when they're wrong AND he's fair minded? Jenna doesn't NEED to manipulate Scoop as they're both on the same page.”
I take on board what you're saying - he seems to take the UK/US competitive thing way too seriously as well - but he's certainly MORE fair minded than the other two.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“There's nothing weird about that. For this series this is the name of the game and will be a purpose of the game which they will have sold to her before she signed on the dotted line for the show.
In some ways she's playing the game (for this series) more correctly than anybody else.”
“There's nothing weird about that. For this series this is the name of the game and will be a purpose of the game which they will have sold to her before she signed on the dotted line for the show.
In some ways she's playing the game (for this series) more correctly than anybody else.”
No, she's taking it way more seriously than everyone else. They all seem to differentiate between the game whilst in task mode and how to play the game outwith task mode.
It's the person who can be motivated whilst doing tasks and can ingratiate themselves in the correct way both inside and outside the house who will win and I don't see that being Jenna.
Originally Posted by Aimee:
“One person thinks that I understated
one person this this that I was melodramatic..
I can't win.
and Alrightmate, I am talking about 'redemption in the eyes of the public', not The Lord God Almighty, Himself. She seems pretty disliked at the moment.... but I suspect you know that.
And if you're going to questioning my use of language your own use of the word 'for' was incorrect it should be should have said 'from what'. But because I know what you meant I'll let that go by.”
“One person thinks that I understated
one person this this that I was melodramatic..
I can't win.
and Alrightmate, I am talking about 'redemption in the eyes of the public', not The Lord God Almighty, Himself. She seems pretty disliked at the moment.... but I suspect you know that.
And if you're going to questioning my use of language your own use of the word 'for' was incorrect it should be should have said 'from what'. But because I know what you meant I'll let that go by.
”
And yet you didn't, did you?
Originally Posted by Aimee:
“Jenna on her own, seems fairly decent... has Farrah ruined it for her ?
And could she redeem herself if she realised this?”
“Jenna on her own, seems fairly decent... has Farrah ruined it for her ?
And could she redeem herself if she realised this?”
Farrah would be far better off without Jenna seeing as Jenna is the one who incites Farrah most of the time.
Originally Posted by planets:
“I'm surprised you think Jenna is the more decent of the two, as Jenna comes across to me as the more malicious of the two.”
“I'm surprised you think Jenna is the more decent of the two, as Jenna comes across to me as the more malicious of the two.”
yes, Jenna seems far worse, I'm sure they're both playing the part that's expected of them but Jenna seems to be genuinely bitter and vindictive.
Originally Posted by strato222:
“Call me old fashioned, but shouldn't the winner be the person who is most liked in the house and by the public?”
“Call me old fashioned, but shouldn't the winner be the person who is most liked in the house and by the public?”
if that was the case Helen Woods would never have won the show.
Unfortunately, they bring out the worst in each other. A true friend will bring out the best in you.
Jenna's fake-ass is toast.
Jenna's fake-ass is toast.
Originally Posted by Aimee:
“One person thinks that I understated
one person this this that I was melodramatic..
I can't win.
and Alrightmate, I am talking about 'redemption in the eyes of the public', not The Lord God Almighty, Himself. She seems pretty disliked at the moment.... but I suspect you know that.
And if you're going to questioning my use of language your own use of the word 'for' was incorrect it should be should have said 'from what'. But because I know what you meant I'll let that go by.”
“One person thinks that I understated
one person this this that I was melodramatic..
I can't win.
and Alrightmate, I am talking about 'redemption in the eyes of the public', not The Lord God Almighty, Himself. She seems pretty disliked at the moment.... but I suspect you know that.
And if you're going to questioning my use of language your own use of the word 'for' was incorrect it should be should have said 'from what'. But because I know what you meant I'll let that go by.
”
I wasn't having a go at you, I was just saying that I wouldn't quite put it like that myself, in view that she shouldn't have to prove herself to the public or anyone in that respect.
I understand how my post may have been read, so sorry for that.
If I was critical of anyone I'd say that I'd be critical of some of the public if they think that she should have to redeem herself to them, especially when you see how some of them behave at evictions.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Redemption for what?
A bit of a melodramatic term isn't it? What has she done that's so bad that she needs to redeem herself?
If you mean what does she need to do to crawl to people to get into their good books? Then that's something entirely different.
Personally I think she should just carry on as she is. She isn't going to get any favours from anyone if she did try to adjust herself.
I don't think she needs to do anything in respect to redeeming herself because most of the venom towards her is coming from online.
In the house the housemates have frequently expressed that they quite like her, even Bobby last night said he had less of a problem with Jenna.
I think the true source of all the problems is Austin and Bobby, but many refuse to even consider that for a second.”
“Redemption for what?
A bit of a melodramatic term isn't it? What has she done that's so bad that she needs to redeem herself?
If you mean what does she need to do to crawl to people to get into their good books? Then that's something entirely different.
Personally I think she should just carry on as she is. She isn't going to get any favours from anyone if she did try to adjust herself.
I don't think she needs to do anything in respect to redeeming herself because most of the venom towards her is coming from online.
In the house the housemates have frequently expressed that they quite like her, even Bobby last night said he had less of a problem with Jenna.
I think the true source of all the problems is Austin and Bobby, but many refuse to even consider that for a second.”
I wonder how much the HMs would like her if they heard what she says about people behind their backs. And the anger that's percolating away.
Jenna is great at seeming reasonable. She can talk a good democratic talk. She can bond and make someone believe all is well. She can hold her tongue and play peacemaker when it kicks off. She can hold her own in an argument without raising her voice.....And then she'll run off to a corner and start effing and jeffing with Farrah, usually about the person she's just been nice to. She's the very definition of two-faced.
As BB villains go, in terms of the overt caricatured ones, she's up there with Pete Burns and Bea IMO. Neither of them were hated in the house either. Imo its cos she's great at the social game and cos she's deftly assumed the Alpha role, which as we've seen time and time again, often leaves the Alpha immune to criticism from most of the pack. Pauline? Marc before his fake eviction? It's like the Alpha casts a spell, a smokescreen, that's only broken when they're gone and one brave soul says "phew".
Don't disagree re Austin and Bobby being shit stirrers with mean streaks. But they're minnows next to Jenna.
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“I wonder how much the HMs would like her if they heard what she says about people behind their backs. And the anger that's percolating away.
Jenna is great at seeming reasonable. She can talk a good democratic talk. She can bond and make someone believe all is well. She can hold her tongue and play peacemaker when it kicks off. She can hold her own in an argument without raising her voice.....And then she'll run off to a corner and start effing and jeffing with Farrah, usually about the person she's just been nice to. She's the very definition of two-faced.
As BB villains go, in terms of the overt caricatured ones, she's up there with Pete Burns and Bea IMO. Neither of them were hated in the house either. Imo its cos she's great at the social game and cos she's deftly assumed the Alpha role, which as we've seen time and time again, often leaves the Alpha immune to criticism from most of the pack. Pauline? Marc before his fake eviction? It's like the Alpha casts a spell, a smokescreen, that's only broken when they're gone and one brave soul says "phew".
Don't disagree re Austin and Bobby being shit stirrers with mean streaks. But they're minnows next to Jenna.”
“I wonder how much the HMs would like her if they heard what she says about people behind their backs. And the anger that's percolating away.
Jenna is great at seeming reasonable. She can talk a good democratic talk. She can bond and make someone believe all is well. She can hold her tongue and play peacemaker when it kicks off. She can hold her own in an argument without raising her voice.....And then she'll run off to a corner and start effing and jeffing with Farrah, usually about the person she's just been nice to. She's the very definition of two-faced.
As BB villains go, in terms of the overt caricatured ones, she's up there with Pete Burns and Bea IMO. Neither of them were hated in the house either. Imo its cos she's great at the social game and cos she's deftly assumed the Alpha role, which as we've seen time and time again, often leaves the Alpha immune to criticism from most of the pack. Pauline? Marc before his fake eviction? It's like the Alpha casts a spell, a smokescreen, that's only broken when they're gone and one brave soul says "phew".
Don't disagree re Austin and Bobby being shit stirrers with mean streaks. But they're minnows next to Jenna.”
Agree with you 100%
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“I wonder how much the HMs would like her if they heard what she says about people behind their backs. And the anger that's percolating away.
Jenna is great at seeming reasonable. She can talk a good democratic talk. She can bond and make someone believe all is well. She can hold her tongue and play peacemaker when it kicks off. She can hold her own in an argument without raising her voice.....And then she'll run off to a corner and start effing and jeffing with Farrah, usually about the person she's just been nice to. She's the very definition of two-faced.
As BB villains go, in terms of the overt caricatured ones, she's up there with Pete Burns and Bea IMO. Neither of them were hated in the house either. Imo its cos she's great at the social game and cos she's deftly assumed the Alpha role, which as we've seen time and time again, often leaves the Alpha immune to criticism from most of the pack. Pauline? Marc before his fake eviction? It's like the Alpha casts a spell, a smokescreen, that's only broken when they're gone and one brave soul says "phew".
Don't disagree re Austin and Bobby being shit stirrers with mean streaks. But they're minnows next to Jenna.”
“I wonder how much the HMs would like her if they heard what she says about people behind their backs. And the anger that's percolating away.
Jenna is great at seeming reasonable. She can talk a good democratic talk. She can bond and make someone believe all is well. She can hold her tongue and play peacemaker when it kicks off. She can hold her own in an argument without raising her voice.....And then she'll run off to a corner and start effing and jeffing with Farrah, usually about the person she's just been nice to. She's the very definition of two-faced.
As BB villains go, in terms of the overt caricatured ones, she's up there with Pete Burns and Bea IMO. Neither of them were hated in the house either. Imo its cos she's great at the social game and cos she's deftly assumed the Alpha role, which as we've seen time and time again, often leaves the Alpha immune to criticism from most of the pack. Pauline? Marc before his fake eviction? It's like the Alpha casts a spell, a smokescreen, that's only broken when they're gone and one brave soul says "phew".
Don't disagree re Austin and Bobby being shit stirrers with mean streaks. But they're minnows next to Jenna.”
Agree so much with everything you say. She looks like she has a real nasty streak in her, I'd rather mouthy Farrah than her!
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