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Hollyoaks E4 Daily 16/09/15: Flashback episode: The Loveday's past is revealed!

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Marianne_321

17-09-2015

Originally Posted by cfc86:
“Oops! I'll still be watching though. I've probably missed a whole lot with characters history with each other besides Karl and Susan.

*Chewy gives Madness a big squishy hug*

Given the complaints I'm surprised MIND put them on the list. Corrie and Emmerdale are deserved. Even EE currently with Lee. HO make a mockery out of mental health problems.

Me too. Peachy Arse, Hot Bella and Arne finally let me go

I thought if iI had a different voice that chicken wouldn't find me ”

I've not watched in years, so I imagine practically the whole cast has changed by now. I must say I still have a soft spot for the likes of Karl & Susan, Paul, Lou & Harold!!!

*Madness loves being squished by Chewy, even if she does get a mouthful of hair

I've not watched the other soaps to judge how they've dealt with mental health, all I know is that Hollyoaks mostly make a joke out of it. We have Sienna, Kim & trembly voiced Nico needing serious mental help from specialists.

We've got Cindy becoming a rampant rabbit with her lust directed at PC One Pube & writing an erotic book fixation etc.

Marianne_321

17-09-2015

Originally Posted by Chaseta:
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I seriously dont understand them getting recognition for the way they have handled mental health lately. They have had some good along the way, showing if you dont take your meds you wont feel the benefits and your likely to have more episodes of your condition. But overall I think they have handled it poorly, they might be showing something that is actually correct but then the writing and direction they take it takes it way over the top and makes it hard to care!
Yes apparently, bipolar can cause 'urges' but having her go after her teenage daughter boyfriend and pursue him as well as tease and tempt him, when she had only just gotten married herself.

And yes Jason was struggling with food, something which body dysmorphia is closely related with, but having him store the full food bags of food and let his worried girlfriend believe her mum was off her meds and hiding her food which caused a rift between them.

I get totally that it is a soap, and of course it has its artistic license and isnt always going to be 100% accurate. But if it is going to claim to take on a storyline about a certain Condition to raise awareness and do it sensitively by bringing in charity workers, then it shouldn't have to add such ridiculous and possibly offensive actions throughout the storyline. It then becomes even more unclear how the condition can effect someone and causes confusion instead of highlighting the information its wanting to make aware

Anyway thanks for pointing out about the nominations Madness, I might not have believed it otherwise ”

You're welcome & well done on this post. Really well written & I totally agree.

Re/ Jason & the food bags. I do remember thinking that those food bags must stink & as he shares the room with Robbie, I could not get over the fact that Robbie did not look in that draw. I could understand Jason putting the food in a bag, but then throwing the bag away in someone elses bin when he had a moment. I didn't buy him putting all of the food bags in that draw & no-one finding it earlier.

srhgts

17-09-2015

Originally Posted by Chaseta:
“Thats very true. Must have been quite upsetting to you, going through such a rough time of it with your own transplant, whilst oaks happily make a mockery of it.
The thing is, they do target an audience of young people. Now these younger people might not have a lot of experiences in life with mental illness or other conditions, so when they are on their laptop and they see the latest Hollyoaks article announcing the plans to tackle 'such and such a thing' and how they want to portray it accurately and sensitively. Then later when the episodes are on and they are watching the portrayl of this condition they know little about, probably believing it to be based on real facts and information. When in fact, no, its not. Its just yet another excuse for certain characters to behave in a way that excuses them not having to face any real consequences for their actions.

And then there are the people who are really suffering from it, who already battle against stigma and narrow minded views, getting more frustrated that the condition is getting even more flack and causing even more confusion.
Its quite insulting to use any real illness as an excuse to get away with manic over the top behaviour or dramatic revelations and twists.

Wonder if the kidney Theresa had was in fact evil and now causes Nico to behave out of character and do evil things *rolls eyes* #pleaseDontGoThere
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Originally Posted by Chaseta:
“I wonder if they even consider these points when they go ahead with such a mockery of a serious subject. Or do they sit around praising themselves on being more edgy and tackling issues other soaps steer clear of?

"Oh I has an idea people. Youre gonna love it. Okay, so here we have the victim but I think we can add more to their plight! So what about them being falsely accused of something and the whole village ignoring them. And how much do you love this- well the victim and their partner have been a bit dull lately so lets have the partner start an affair that same day! Really hammer home that the victim is suffering. Sound good?"
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Good posts Chase, you're entirely right.

Originally Posted by Marianne_321:
“You're welcome & well done on this post. Really well written & I totally agree.

Re/ Jason & the food bags. I do remember thinking that those food bags must stink & as he shares the room with Robbie, I could not get over the fact that Robbie did not look in that draw. I could understand Jason putting the food in a bag, but then throwing the bag away in someone elses bin when he had a moment. I didn't buy him putting all of the food bags in that draw & no-one finding it earlier.”

Maybe the bags being sealed and the drawer being closed hid the smell? No idea if that'd be enough, can't say I've ever kept bags of food in a clothes drawer, but just a thought.

cfc86

17-09-2015

Originally Posted by srhgts:
“Totally agree as usual, HO should be ashamed of themselves.

Oh yes, Lee is great! I am loving his story so far and it's really well acted. The court scene was heartbreaking.

CHEWY!

It was pretty good, certainly for Oaks.

Yeah Simone was atrocious at first but they started softening her up fast, thankfully. There wasn't much to Louis at first but now we're finding out more about him he's not bad. The actor is very wobbly at times but mostly fine.

Oh yeah, I definitely think they're doing some harm to perception of mental illness among viewers. Disgraceful. Obviously lots of people aren't silly enough to expect that much realism from a soap or allow one to shape their view of a particular issue, but some really are.

That seems to be the case for a lot of them, yeah. Of course it doesn't all come down to age, I'm sure plenty of teens are perfectly sensible, but a lot seem to be rather easily pleased.”

I doubt Kirkwood knows shame.

EE are better portraying these topics. I don't agree with how they handled the rape storyline but I'm sure Dean will soon get his comeuppance and leave.

Thankfully a lot of people know better than to rely on TV to educate them but of course a few still do which is baffling.

I went on the hashtag last night and most were praising and wanting this type of Hollyoaks rather than affairs, gangsters etc so hopefully Kirkwood listens.

Originally Posted by seventhwave:
“Speaking of awful plot ideas ...

iaresam (spoiler source who's usually reliable and sometimes has inside information from story conferences and the like) says that the original plan for the Lisa storyline was for her to have been held as a sex slave, Fritzl-style and have children as a result. Sonia would act like a perfect daughter but then Simone and Louis would find out she wasn't theirs (after catching her in bed with Zack) and at some point the real Lisa, who after her ordeal would be a psycho worse than Sienna, would reappear: http://tumblr.iaresam.net/post/12922...versial-aspect

He's been talking about this since the start of the year, before the Lovedays were introduced, so I'm willing to bet it's true. I'm certainly glad Hollyoaks didn't go down that road. It would have had some similarities to Sienna's backstory, and there's no way current HO would handle this with anything near the right level of sensitivity”

Thank god they didn't. I don't trust the show to do anything sensitive.

Originally Posted by DJ Jimmy:
“Afternoon all!

I've just caught up, and I have a few thoughts on the episode, so apologies for the long post in advance

This episode really showed me what's irritating me about the show at the moment. It wasn't spectacular, there were no explosions, no gangsters, no PC No Pube and no random affairs (OK, maybe not quite the last one )

Yet, it was it was great, similar in vein to Ste's HIV diagnosis. Kirkwood/Lime/Channel 4's direction for a super sexy, hi-octane over the top orgy fest clearly jars against this episode.

OK, the story is a bit convoluted and confusing and hopefully more answers will be given soon but on the whole I really enjoyed it. The filming and direction were excellent and Jacqueline and Karl really did act well in the episode.

Also, I noticed more posters joined the thread, purely because of this episode, and hopefully that's reflected in the viewing figures. Surely that's a good sign that the nonsense that's been churned out recently isn't neccessarily what the viewers want? I'm not saying all episodes should be one family based or flashbacks or even that slow paced, but with a bit more thought and care, Hollyoaks could get back to what it does best.

Even Lindsey wasn't too annoying in this episode

P.S: CHEWY! ”

WONKY

I agree. The episode was a refreshing change so I'm dreading tonight when it's back to Starry.

Lindsey is so much better away from Freddie. Hopefully they separate without her death. His death is fine though.

Originally Posted by Marianne_321:
“*Madness does a wiggle in delight & Cuthbert clucks & flaps a bit* ”

I thought I locked him away

cfc86

17-09-2015

Originally Posted by Marianne_321:
“I bet Multimedia is wondering what he's let himself in for.... LOL ”

He'll probably run away

Originally Posted by Marianne_321:
“I've not watched in years, so I imagine practically the whole cast has changed by now. I must say I still have a soft spot for the likes of Karl & Susan, Paul, Lou & Harold!!!

*Madness loves being squished by Chewy, even if she does get a mouthful of hair

I've not watched the other soaps to judge how they've dealt with mental health, all I know is that Hollyoaks mostly make a joke out of it. We have Sienna, Kim & trembly voiced Nico needing serious mental help from specialists.

We've got Cindy becoming a rampant rabbit with her lust directed at PC One Pube & writing an erotic book fixation etc.”

All you mentioned are still there except Harold though I haven't seen Lou. I was lost when I started watching again.

You love my hair

HO should stop now. They are damaging these characters and are not giving the message of mental health in a good light. Sienna, Kim, Cindy and Nico all need help but where would the hilarity be in that? I was saying to my sister if Lindsey wasn't Kim's sister I'd be sure she wanted to be with her like with Grace. It's creepy but the girl needs help not mocked.

lady_xanax

17-09-2015

I didn't buy that Lisa was left unsupervised in the playground. Even in 2001 they wouldn't leave a child unsupervised.

lady_xanax

17-09-2015

Urgh that's horrible! Would have been too similar to Sienna.

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