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Old 17-09-2015, 02:00
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I'm pretty sure GHK would have got to me.





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The show cannot do a decent mental illness storyline at the moment. Sienna, Cindy, Kim are all examples of the show doing these storyline for funsies rather than raise awareness.

Last October or November when Nico needed a transplant seriously made my piss boil. In a week she was told she would need a kidney transplant, Sienna and Dodger got tested as well as Theresa and the results were in, Nico had the surgery and was fit as anything straight away.

In real life when people get tested for live donation it takes 6 weeks for results then a further 6 to get more tests and check if the live donor is mentally well enough as well as physical. Then once all that is done you get the operation, in hospital for a week or longer if any complications and 3 months recovery. For the first month you aren't allowed outside and in close places but in HO land all is done and dusted in a week. Kirkwood is one big ding a ling.

HO wouldn't know how to spell awareness never mind raise it.
Thats very true. Must have been quite upsetting to you, going through such a rough time of it with your own transplant, whilst oaks happily make a mockery of it.
The thing is, they do target an audience of young people. Now these younger people might not have a lot of experiences in life with mental illness or other conditions, so when they are on their laptop and they see the latest Hollyoaks article announcing the plans to tackle 'such and such a thing' and how they want to portray it accurately and sensitively. Then later when the episodes are on and they are watching the portrayl of this condition they know little about, probably believing it to be based on real facts and information. When in fact, no, its not. Its just yet another excuse for certain characters to behave in a way that excuses them not having to face any real consequences for their actions.

And then there are the people who are really suffering from it, who already battle against stigma and narrow minded views, getting more frustrated that the condition is getting even more flack and causing even more confusion.
Its quite insulting to use any real illness as an excuse to get away with manic over the top behaviour or dramatic revelations and twists.

Wonder if the kidney Theresa had was in fact evil and now causes Nico to behave out of character and do evil things *rolls eyes* #pleaseDontGoThere
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Old 17-09-2015, 02:05
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I've been popping in and out but haven't stuck around too long but I'm hoping now I'll be back

I've missed you too. How are you feeling? Oh we all know when it comes to nurses I win
Of course youll be back- youve had a taster for us again. You will be back faster than you can click your fingers

Would you believe it Im no better health wise. still waiting for someone to actually do something for a change
Haha ooh thats true, I remember your little fanclub! We never got that nude wedding you and Hot Bella promised us, best be your huge comeback with us all invited...
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Old 17-09-2015, 02:06
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Oh yes, I had at least seen Vampy but not twigged that people meant Chelsea. Your name is so classy anyway Chelsea that I prefer to keep to it!

If you don't mind Skyfall, we could start calling you Adele, as she sang the song Skyfall?

So, to help some more of you get used to me as Leema, it's goodnight from Leema!
Not sure if Skyfall will be up for that, bit girly
Perhaps 007

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Old 17-09-2015, 02:14
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Thats very true. Must have been quite upsetting to you, going through such a rough time of it with your own transplant, whilst oaks happily make a mockery of it.
The thing is, they do target an audience of young people. Now these younger people might not have a lot of experiences in life with mental illness or other conditions, so when they are on their laptop and they see the latest Hollyoaks article announcing the plans to tackle 'such and such a thing' and how they want to portray it accurately and sensitively. Then later when the episodes are on and they are watching the portrayl of this condition they know little about, probably believing it to be based on real facts and information. When in fact, no, its not. Its just yet another excuse for certain characters to behave in a way that excuses them not having to face any real consequences for their actions.

And then there are the people who are really suffering from it, who already battle against stigma and narrow minded views, getting more frustrated that the condition is getting even more flack and causing even more confusion.
Its quite insulting to use any real illness as an excuse to get away with manic over the top behaviour or dramatic revelations and twists.

Wonder if the kidney Theresa had was in fact evil and now causes Nico to behave out of character and do evil things *rolls eyes* #pleaseDontGoThere
It was very insulting especially as the episodes aired the same week I was told that I'd need dialysis, something else that the show failed to show, and I was already fed up with the prospect starting over. Understandably young people won't understand unless they've been through it or know somebody who has but if I were them I'd Google about the illness or situation if I didn't understand it. Maybe cause I'm 29 and do that I think others do. To be fair most of the young ones are all about the fit lads and when they're topless. Some are intelligent though and see HO for what it is.

As somebody which has kidney problems amongst others portrayed on the show it is difficult to watch the show make a mockery out of serious issues. Rape, domestic violence, HIV, mental illness, organ donation. We all know somebody who has went through at least one of these. Even if we don't know that the person is going through it. I think Kirkwood is on a mission to offend as many as possible. He didn't even do the bone marrow and leukaemia storyline right.

If that's true then I fear for myself Knowing HO though they will blame it on the kidney
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Old 17-09-2015, 02:21
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Of course youll be back- youve had a taster for us again. You will be back faster than you can click your fingers

Would you believe it Im no better health wise. still waiting for someone to actually do something for a change
Haha ooh thats true, I remember your little fanclub! We never got that nude wedding you and Hot Bella promised us, best be your huge comeback with us all invited...
Oh more than likely

Seriously? Have they any idea on what's wrong at least? Are you back home?
I'm just too irresistible Made my day when both Hot Bella and Peachy Arse came to visit. Had PA on my bed Ooh yes. We'll have to find a date for this nude wedding
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Old 17-09-2015, 02:38
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It was very insulting especially as the episodes aired the same week I was told that I'd need dialysis, something else that the show failed to show, and I was already fed up with the prospect starting over. Understandably young people won't understand unless they've been through it or know somebody who has but if I were them I'd Google about the illness or situation if I didn't understand it. Maybe cause I'm 29 and do that I think others do. To be fair most of the young ones are all about the fit lads and when they're topless. Some are intelligent though and see HO for what it is.

As somebody which has kidney problems amongst others portrayed on the show it is difficult to watch the show make a mockery out of serious issues. Rape, domestic violence, HIV, mental illness, organ donation. We all know somebody who has went through at least one of these. Even if we don't know that the person is going through it. I think Kirkwood is on a mission to offend as many as possible. He didn't even do the bone marrow and leukaemia storyline right.

If that's true then I fear for myself Knowing HO though they will blame it on the kidney
I wonder if they even consider these points when they go ahead with such a mockery of a serious subject. Or do they sit around praising themselves on being more edgy and tackling issues other soaps steer clear of?


"Oh I has an idea people. Youre gonna love it. Okay, so here we have the victim but I think we can add more to their plight! So what about them being falsely accused of something and the whole village ignoring them. And how much do you love this- well the victim and their partner have been a bit dull lately so lets have the partner start an affair that same day! Really hammer home that the victim is suffering. Sound good?"
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Old 17-09-2015, 07:36
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HAHAHAHAHA Hollyoaks nominated for a MND award - Almost as funny (& pathetic) as Charlie Clapham's acting.
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Old 17-09-2015, 07:38
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Make up did a great job on Simone this ep; her skin looked fantastic.

Simone and Louis are growing on me, they're a lot less silly and hysterical than most of the characters. I'm really disappointed Louis's a cheat, though.

Yes Dr Incompetent, obviously Zack's sepsis or infection has gone away in about an hour...

LOL the anecdote about little Zack.

I do feel for Sonia. She desperately needs to hear that she has a mother who loves her, but at the same time, she knows that she only has it because Simone doesn't know this isn't her real daughter. Why can't we have more of this and less of the Roscoes, Loops and Scott?
Good post.

I still think it could be regarding Simone's courtcase & the woman who lost her own child thanks to Simone uses Lisa to replace her!!!
I think you're right.

I find weird , that young Lisa, looks like clever girl , didn't google " Simone and Loius Lovedays". Surely she would find something interesting about " accident". Then again, we're not supposed to ask questions like that.
Naughty naughty, using logic. Slapped wrist for you!

Not one that he could feel guilty about but not reveal due to his fear of losing Simone.

The only options for him being late had to be work, or personal. Work, he'd have been able to immediately say at the time and had an alibi (there would be other people at the conference) and we've already been told that he was questioned at length, indicating he didn't have an alibi.

So, it had to be personal and within that it had to be something he couldn't tell Simone. An affair was the most logical option.

Not excusing it, but it does seem clear that Simone put work before everything else so the marriage probably wasn't very happy at that time.
Good post.

The woman that was Sonia's stepmum was the same person Louis was having it off with. Is Jade his daughter?
They weren't the same person at all. They looked different, sounded different and were dressed very differently. They were just two white women with blonde hair.

Until you've been in the situation i'd imagine it must be very hard to say for sure.

And, as mentioned, Simone has had doubts - it was a major plot when 'Lisa' first returned.
Agreed.

In other news, why on earth has Hollyoaks been nominated for a MIND Award?

I'm still livid that they made Cindy lust after Jason & such a mockery out of Bipolar!!
What the utter ****? Seriously? That is just disgusting.

Me too. And the similarly offensive Sienna stuff, and Jason's body dysmorphia OR anorexia OR bulimia OR orthorexia since they couldn't be bothered to decide what it was at any point… Oh, and whatever's meant to be wrong with Kim. The "handling" of them all is just yuck.

That's actually despicable. Jason's body dysmorphia has also been nominated which lasted about five minutes before being forgotten about.

That bipolar portrayal is the worst I've ever seen on television (not due to the actress) and they should still be ashamed of themselves for like you said, making a mockery out of such a serious issue
Quite. Utterly appalling.

What annoys me if that they're probably patting themselves on the back for a job well done when IMO they screwed up the storyline bigtime!!
In pretty much everyone's opinion, really. Well, apart from the twitter kids I guess.

Hello Chewy, delighted to (sort of) see you! Time for a group hug, everyone!
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Old 17-09-2015, 08:12
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Interesting episode

Dreadful acting by Zack and Lisa! Did they go to the school of acting?!?! Geez, awful!!
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Old 17-09-2015, 08:20
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I don't think fakeLisa's acting is bad really. Zack really is pretty bad, though.

I gave the ep a 5, which for current Oaks is really pretty good. I usually give 2, 1 or 0.
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Old 17-09-2015, 09:40
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I wonder if they even consider these points when they go ahead with such a mockery of a serious subject. Or do they sit around praising themselves on being more edgy and tackling issues other soaps steer clear of?


"Oh I has an idea people. Youre gonna love it. Okay, so here we have the victim but I think we can add more to their plight! So what about them being falsely accused of something and the whole village ignoring them. And how much do you love this- well the victim and their partner have been a bit dull lately so lets have the partner start an affair that same day! Really hammer home that the victim is suffering. Sound good?"
That sounds about right for a HO writers meeting. I'm sure there's more to offend. Rape, domestic violence, child abuse, organ donation, mental illness, parents getting the wrong baby, lesbians, bisexuals. Only group they offended are gay men though I've probably missed it if they have. Next up will be people with HIV. It's baffling how the show gets so many nominations from these ccharities.

My main issue, Nico's kidney story aside, is how Kim, Cindy and Sienna's obvious mental health problemsare played for laughs or to scare people. People with mentalillness are already branded by a stigma never mind HO sticking the boot in further.

HAHAHAHAHA Hollyoaks nominated for a MND award - Almost as funny (& pathetic) as Charlie Clapham's acting.
I'd say this is funnier. I'd have put Lee from EE forward rather than anyone from HO.

Make up did a great job on Simone this ep; her skin looked fantastic.

Simone and Louis are growing on me, they're a lot less silly and hysterical than most of the characters. I'm really disappointed Louis's a cheat, though.

Yes Dr Incompetent, obviously Zack's sepsis or infection has gone away in about an hour...

LOL the anecdote about little Zack.

What the utter ****? Seriously? That is just disgusting.

Me too. And the similarly offensive Sienna stuff, and Jason's body dysmorphia OR anorexia OR bulimia OR orthorexia since they couldn't be bothered to decide what it was at any point… Oh, and whatever's meant to be wrong with Kim. The "handling" of them all is just yuck.


Quite. Utterly appalling.

In pretty much everyone's opinion, really. Well, apart from the twitter kids I guess.

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DAFFY

I enjoyed the flashback episode. Zach aside it was a well acted episode even if the writing was dodgy at times.

Simone I really like after not liking her at the start. Louis I always liked though I'm disappointed he's yet another cheater.

Exactly! HO claim to be raising awareness but they couldn't raise a glass never mind awareness. If anything they have made the issues of mental health even worse.

The teens only care for fit guys who take their clothes off and things going boom.
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Old 17-09-2015, 10:02
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That sounds about right for a HO writers meeting. I'm sure there's more to offend. Rape, domestic violence, child abuse, organ donation, mental illness, parents getting the wrong baby, lesbians, bisexuals. Only group they offended are gay men though I've probably missed it if they have. Next up will be people with HIV. It's baffling how the show gets so many nominations from these ccharities.

My main issue, Nico's kidney story aside, is how Kim, Cindy and Sienna's obvious mental health problemsare played for laughs or to scare people. People with mentalillness are already branded by a stigma never mind HO sticking the boot in further.


I'd say this is funnier. I'd have put Lee from EE forward rather than anyone from HO.



DAFFY

I enjoyed the flashback episode. Zach aside it was a well acted episode even if the writing was dodgy at times.

Simone I really like after not liking her at the start. Louis I always liked though I'm disappointed he's yet another cheater.

Exactly! HO claim to be raising awareness but they couldn't raise a glass never mind awareness. If anything they have made the issues of mental health even worse.

The teens only care for fit guys who take their clothes off and things going boom.

Totally agree as usual, HO should be ashamed of themselves.

Oh yes, Lee is great! I am loving his story so far and it's really well acted. The court scene was heartbreaking.

CHEWY!

It was pretty good, certainly for Oaks.

Yeah Simone was atrocious at first but they started softening her up fast, thankfully. There wasn't much to Louis at first but now we're finding out more about him he's not bad. The actor is very wobbly at times but mostly fine.

Oh yeah, I definitely think they're doing some harm to perception of mental illness among viewers. Disgraceful. Obviously lots of people aren't silly enough to expect that much realism from a soap or allow one to shape their view of a particular issue, but some really are.

That seems to be the case for a lot of them, yeah. Of course it doesn't all come down to age, I'm sure plenty of teens are perfectly sensible, but a lot seem to be rather easily pleased.
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Old 17-09-2015, 10:19
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Speaking of awful plot ideas ...

iaresam (spoiler source who's usually reliable and sometimes has inside information from story conferences and the like) says that the original plan for the Lisa storyline was for her to have been held as a sex slave, Fritzl-style and have children as a result. Sonia would act like a perfect daughter but then Simone and Louis would find out she wasn't theirs (after catching her in bed with Zack) and at some point the real Lisa, who after her ordeal would be a psycho worse than Sienna, would reappear: http://tumblr.iaresam.net/post/12922...versial-aspect

He's been talking about this since the start of the year, before the Lovedays were introduced, so I'm willing to bet it's true. I'm certainly glad Hollyoaks didn't go down that road. It would have had some similarities to Sienna's backstory, and there's no way current HO would handle this with anything near the right level of sensitivity
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Old 17-09-2015, 11:00
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why in the flash backs is daddy loveday dressed like a 70s porn star?
Lol
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Old 17-09-2015, 11:06
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Did schools back then just leave kids randomly standing in the playground with no adult/teacher waiting with them for the parents to pick them up?
Simone also said ages ago that the reason she was late picking Lisa up was because she took a call on her mobile and now it was because she had a late meeting at work. Not the greatest continuity...
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Old 17-09-2015, 13:23
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Afternoon all!

I've just caught up, and I have a few thoughts on the episode, so apologies for the long post in advance

This episode really showed me what's irritating me about the show at the moment. It wasn't spectacular, there were no explosions, no gangsters, no PC No Pube and no random affairs (OK, maybe not quite the last one )

Yet, it was it was great, similar in vein to Ste's HIV diagnosis. Kirkwood/Lime/Channel 4's direction for a super sexy, hi-octane over the top orgy fest clearly jars against this episode.

OK, the story is a bit convoluted and confusing and hopefully more answers will be given soon but on the whole I really enjoyed it. The filming and direction were excellent and Jacqueline and Karl really did act well in the episode.

Also, I noticed more posters joined the thread, purely because of this episode, and hopefully that's reflected in the viewing figures. Surely that's a good sign that the nonsense that's been churned out recently isn't neccessarily what the viewers want? I'm not saying all episodes should be one family based or flashbacks or even that slow paced, but with a bit more thought and care, Hollyoaks could get back to what it does best.

Even Lindsey wasn't too annoying in this episode

P.S: CHEWY!
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Old 17-09-2015, 14:00
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If they made a story about people who sleepwalk BK just make a mockery out of it.
Yup, the sleepwalker would probably be a serial killer without knowing it!!
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Old 17-09-2015, 14:02
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I missed you lot too. I've more or less recovered physically so will try and pop on more like the olden days.
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Old 17-09-2015, 14:08
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be careful or you will get a crazy nick name (madness names most people)

Not sure if you posted earlier I just got home when I replied to you
Vampy, I will reveal Ownnnn & Multimedia's new names in the next thread!!! I'm sure they'll be thrilled!!
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Old 17-09-2015, 14:12
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I am prepared to see the funny side behind your question. Chase likes Leela too. I think you get the idea why I counted you (and Attitude999) out of the privelege of calling me Leema!
Drat I wish I had thought of Leema first. It's very cute & I could have posted a number of Leema pics to make you very happy. I still might!!!

I do have another name for you, but I must still think further on this Leema business!!!
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Old 17-09-2015, 14:16
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everyone on hollyoaks has serious issues that need to be fixed
Ste is clearly a sex addict to commitment issues, once committed he needs change
Scott is infected with Tango
JP and Maxine are both painfully needy with no self respect therefore turn to those who treat them badly as they thing they deserve it, JP picks those who will never put him 1st, Maxine and the demon head master enough said
Frankie is a xenophobic bully
Jack is a victim of bad plots forcing him to date badly and marry the cruel cheating xenophobe
Tony is a victim of having opted to live in a cruel world where happy ever after can only happen if you leave that world, and while in it all happiness is removed and you are made to live with a man so orange he should be in TOWIE
I swear I nearly pee-ed myself laughing, reading this Vampy!! Well done!!!
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Vampy, I will reveal Ownnnn & Multimedia's new names in the next thread!!! I'm sure they'll be thrilled!!
Can't wait!
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Old 17-09-2015, 14:23
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Last Sunday I suggested Leema, which has surfaced discretely in this thread!

Ah thank you Madness! I now notice that this is no longer primarily a thread about the day's episode but more of a Hollyoaks Social Club! So, if I come here on a day without any Leela episode, I must join you all on the contemporary thread anyway!

Spoiler
You new name is not Leema, but Leema's will get a mention!!!

Please pop in each day, we don't really stick to the daily ep, we discuss past plots, future possible plots & have a hoot about other stuff too!!!!
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Awww Wonky!! Your name is one of my proudest acheivements!!!!!!
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Old 17-09-2015, 14:28
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You're one of us now. A nutter.
I bet Multimedia is wondering what he's let himself in for.... LOL
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