Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“And your the one who started this ghastly thread”
“And your the one who started this ghastly thread”
Make your point.
Austin is a little bit predatory towards James....
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Originally Posted by PorkchopExpress:
“I don't understand your question.”
“I don't understand your question.”
You brought up Austin husbands feelings
Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“You brought up Austin husbands feelings”
“You brought up Austin husbands feelings”
So what? I don't understand what you are asking me.
Originally Posted by PorkchopExpress:
“Make your point.”
“Make your point.”
You raised the point at the beginning about Austin being predatory
Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“You raised the point at the beginning about Austin being predatory”
“You raised the point at the beginning about Austin being predatory”
Whit?
Originally Posted by PorkchopExpress:
“So what? I don't understand what you are asking me.”
“So what? I don't understand what you are asking me.”
In an earlier thread you brought up Austins husbands feelings
As if we were meant to be shocked
Originally Posted by PorkchopExpress:
“Whit?”
“Whit?”
At the start of the thread you raised the fact that he could be predatory
It all comes from you
That drunken convo was another of Austin's attempts to be manipulative. He was staking a claim of "ownership" over James- we know each other better than most friends etc. It was a creepy thing to do regardless of the genders/sexuality of those involved. Austin was trying to establish a much stronger bond than James felt comfortable with-but I wonder why he was trying to do that?
That clinginess, the "I know you better than any of your friends" rings alarm bells with most people as its usually a preface to more demands.
Emotional intimacy, platonic or otherwise, cannot be forced and its entirely natural to be suspicious of those who try to force it, so I totally get why people see Austin's behaviour in the drunken row as predatory. If I was Austin's husband I'd be much more annoyed about that scene than any of the horseplay/ flirting.
That clinginess, the "I know you better than any of your friends" rings alarm bells with most people as its usually a preface to more demands.
Emotional intimacy, platonic or otherwise, cannot be forced and its entirely natural to be suspicious of those who try to force it, so I totally get why people see Austin's behaviour in the drunken row as predatory. If I was Austin's husband I'd be much more annoyed about that scene than any of the horseplay/ flirting.
Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“I'll be the judge whether something is homophobic or not
What the hell do you know about prejudice? Do you have some straight git hurl abuse at you when you walk down the street or not? No? Thought not?
Also they are very comfortable with each other. Comfortable where they know where the barriers are Austin Is gay, James is straight
You know its because of gossipy sanctemonius people like yourself that homophobia spreads. That causes damage. But what is that to a little straight gossip such as yourself
Eh?”
“I'll be the judge whether something is homophobic or not
What the hell do you know about prejudice? Do you have some straight git hurl abuse at you when you walk down the street or not? No? Thought not?
Also they are very comfortable with each other. Comfortable where they know where the barriers are Austin Is gay, James is straight
You know its because of gossipy sanctemonius people like yourself that homophobia spreads. That causes damage. But what is that to a little straight gossip such as yourself
Eh?”
oh woah there with the sexist language!
I'm a woman so an expert on all things sexist and have a right to call anyone sexist whether they are or not!
see how ridiculous your last post sounds?
Austins behavior crossed from friend to flirting when he got into James bed naked and asked him to rub cream on James walked away from that situation clearly uncomfortable so James set the boundaries.
last night's conversation made Austin look a bit desperate it's a fair comment to say a little predatory I would describe it more as possessive to be fair
but we can discuss actions of housemates without labeling people as homophobic racist sexist etc
it all gets silly
I can't see anything predatory, or that Austin's friendship is sexually motivated. They bonded from day one as mates that's all.
Every show someone is accused of being creepy now, Austin might be a bit needy in terms of support but he knows and I think respects where he stands with James. It is a nice friendship that has it's ups and downs as friends do.
Every show someone is accused of being creepy now, Austin might be a bit needy in terms of support but he knows and I think respects where he stands with James. It is a nice friendship that has it's ups and downs as friends do.
[quote=moleymo;79681518]oh woah there with the sexist language!
I'm a woman so an expert on all things sexist and have a right to call anyone sexist whether they are or not![\QUOTE]
You might have a go at being sexist but we are talking homophobic here. And I call you that.
James could easily walk away. Describing Austins actions as predatory crosses the line
I'm a woman so an expert on all things sexist and have a right to call anyone sexist whether they are or not![\QUOTE]
You might have a go at being sexist but we are talking homophobic here. And I call you that.
Originally Posted by moleymo:
“Austins behavior crossed from friend to flirting when he got into James bed naked and asked him to rub cream on James walked away from that situation clearly uncomfortable so James set the boundaries
Which James walked away from. Barriers have been set. No straight guy is going to jump into bed with a gay guy due to that
[QUOTE moley mo]last night's conversation made Austin look a bit desperate it's a fair comment to say a little predatory I would descries it more as possessive to be fair
but we can discuss actions of housemates without labeling people as homophobic racist sexist etc
it all gets silly”
“Austins behavior crossed from friend to flirting when he got into James bed naked and asked him to rub cream on James walked away from that situation clearly uncomfortable so James set the boundaries
Which James walked away from. Barriers have been set. No straight guy is going to jump into bed with a gay guy due to that
[QUOTE moley mo]last night's conversation made Austin look a bit desperate it's a fair comment to say a little predatory I would descries it more as possessive to be fair
but we can discuss actions of housemates without labeling people as homophobic racist sexist etc
it all gets silly”
James could easily walk away. Describing Austins actions as predatory crosses the line
Originally Posted by pixieboots:
“y. If I was Austin's husband I'd be much more annoyed about that scene than any of the horseplay/ flirting.”
“y. If I was Austin's husband I'd be much more annoyed about that scene than any of the horseplay/ flirting.”
Austin has been going out with Jake for seven years. He spends his time in new York and then meets him in Huddersfield. I'd say he knows a helluva lot more then you do about Austin then you do
I'd say the insult that he was predatory would be far more harmful to take
[quote=broadshoulder;79681577]
Not if its true. Which it is.
Originally Posted by moleymo:
“oh woah there with the sexist language!
I'm a woman so an expert on all things sexist and have a right to call anyone sexist whether they are or not![\QUOTE]
You might have a go at being sexist but we are talking homophobic here. And I call you that.
James could easily walk away. Describing Austins actions as predatory crosses the line”
“oh woah there with the sexist language!
I'm a woman so an expert on all things sexist and have a right to call anyone sexist whether they are or not![\QUOTE]
You might have a go at being sexist but we are talking homophobic here. And I call you that.
James could easily walk away. Describing Austins actions as predatory crosses the line”
Not if its true. Which it is.
Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“Austin has been going out with Jake for seven years. He spends his time in new York and then meets him in Huddersfield. I'd say he knows a helluva lot more then you do about Austin then you do
I'd say the insult that he was predatory would be far more harmful to take”
“Austin has been going out with Jake for seven years. He spends his time in new York and then meets him in Huddersfield. I'd say he knows a helluva lot more then you do about Austin then you do
I'd say the insult that he was predatory would be far more harmful to take”
I agree that Austin's husband would know him a helluva lot more than than some randomer on DS but I cant see the point you're making unless you actually are Austin's husband?
Originally Posted by pixieboots:
“I agree that Austin's husband would know him a helluva lot more than than some randomer on DS but I cant see the point you're making unless you actually are Austin's husband?”
“I agree that Austin's husband would know him a helluva lot more than than some randomer on DS but I cant see the point you're making unless you actually are Austin's husband?”
I am saying the push to promote him as predatory is ridiculous. Jake knows him far more then you do...
[quote=broadshoulder;79681577]
I don't know what went on with the quoting but half the things in that post above I didn't say
I would think Jenna , Fat man Scoop, Bobby, Natasha etc etc were being a little predatory and possessive if they were insisting they know James better than anyone after only 3 weeks.
I think you are very rude and ignorant to call people homophobic because they don't like the actions of a housemate that you like.
Originally Posted by moleymo:
“oh woah there with the sexist language!
I'm a woman so an expert on all things sexist and have a right to call anyone sexist whether they are or not![\QUOTE]
You might have a go at being sexist but we are talking homophobic here. And I call you that.
James could easily walk away. Describing Austins actions as predatory crosses the line”
“oh woah there with the sexist language!
I'm a woman so an expert on all things sexist and have a right to call anyone sexist whether they are or not![\QUOTE]
You might have a go at being sexist but we are talking homophobic here. And I call you that.
James could easily walk away. Describing Austins actions as predatory crosses the line”
I don't know what went on with the quoting but half the things in that post above I didn't say
I would think Jenna , Fat man Scoop, Bobby, Natasha etc etc were being a little predatory and possessive if they were insisting they know James better than anyone after only 3 weeks.
I think you are very rude and ignorant to call people homophobic because they don't like the actions of a housemate that you like.
The problem many have is that predatory is an insinuation made in a homophobic way to demonise gay people and has been for many, many years.
James is behaving exactly the same way towards Austin yet not one person would ever think of calling it predatory, simply because 'predatory' is a go-to word for describing gay people .
What we're seeing is two friends engaging in frat house style horse play. The ONLY reason it's called "predatory" is because that's a stereotype people have about gay people.
They are two friends having a chat sitting on the sofa. There's noting 'predatory' about it at all, only if you instinctively see any gay man who isn't an effeminate, sexless, camp joke, as 'predatory', which sadly many people still do.
James is behaving exactly the same way towards Austin yet not one person would ever think of calling it predatory, simply because 'predatory' is a go-to word for describing gay people .
What we're seeing is two friends engaging in frat house style horse play. The ONLY reason it's called "predatory" is because that's a stereotype people have about gay people.
They are two friends having a chat sitting on the sofa. There's noting 'predatory' about it at all, only if you instinctively see any gay man who isn't an effeminate, sexless, camp joke, as 'predatory', which sadly many people still do.
Originally Posted by Tony_Daniels:
“They are two friends having a chat sitting on the sofa..”
“They are two friends having a chat sitting on the sofa..”
I don't think he's predatory but that is simply not true. Austen has stripped off and asked James to massage him (hamstring!!!), taken off his own shorts last night and exposed James earlier in the day.
James is a competent adult and I think he likes the flirting so it's not predatory. I don't think because a gay guy fancies someone it is predatory. But there is definitely flirtation in their relationship and he fancies James.
Originally Posted by What name??:
“I don't think he's predatory but that is simply not true. Austen has stripped off and asked James to massage him (hamstring!!!), taken off his own shorts last night and exposed James earlier in the day.
James is a competent adult and I think he likes the flirting so it's not predatory. I don't think because a gay guy fancies someone it is predatory. But there is definitely flirtation in their relationship and he fancies James.”
“I don't think he's predatory but that is simply not true. Austen has stripped off and asked James to massage him (hamstring!!!), taken off his own shorts last night and exposed James earlier in the day.
James is a competent adult and I think he likes the flirting so it's not predatory. I don't think because a gay guy fancies someone it is predatory. But there is definitely flirtation in their relationship and he fancies James.”
So why do people have a problem with Austn's flirtation towards James but not James suggestions to Farrah and Jenna that them massaging him was giving him a boner?
There's definitely a hypocrisy going on here in what is deemed as 'acceptable' suggestiveness.
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“So why do people have a problem with Austn's flirtation towards James but not James suggestions to Farrah and Jenna that them massaging him was giving him a boner?
There's definitely a hypocrisy going on here in what is deemed as 'acceptable' suggestiveness.”
“So why do people have a problem with Austn's flirtation towards James but not James suggestions to Farrah and Jenna that them massaging him was giving him a boner?
There's definitely a hypocrisy going on here in what is deemed as 'acceptable' suggestiveness.”
Easy. Those 2 are experienced porn stars. James is an innocent in comparison. Just look at the way tila tequila terrifed him with all her come ons.
I don't think Austin is predatory towards James at all. I think he sees him as a really good friend and the thing that I do enjoy most about this awful series is the friendship that the two of them have. It is developing into a really good friendship without any romantic feelings or notions on Austin's part. He has remained completely faithful to his husband
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“So why do people have a problem with Austn's flirtation towards James but not James suggestions to Farrah and Jenna that them massaging him was giving him a boner?
There's definitely a hypocrisy going on here in what is deemed as 'acceptable' suggestiveness.”
“So why do people have a problem with Austn's flirtation towards James but not James suggestions to Farrah and Jenna that them massaging him was giving him a boner?
There's definitely a hypocrisy going on here in what is deemed as 'acceptable' suggestiveness.”
That's flirty too. But none of that trio is married and I don't think any of them fancy the others.
[quote=moleymo;79681987]
Then you shouldt write things that are homophobic
Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“
I think you are very rude and ignorant to call people homophobic because they don't like the actions of a housemate that you like.”
“
I think you are very rude and ignorant to call people homophobic because they don't like the actions of a housemate that you like.”
Then you shouldt write things that are homophobic
Originally Posted by Tony_Daniels:
“James is behaving exactly the same way towards Austin yet not one person would ever think of calling it predatory, simply because 'predatory' is a go-to word for describing gay people .
What we're seeing is two friends engaging in frat house style horse play. The ONLY reason it's called "predatory" is because that's a stereotype people have about gay people.
They are two friends having a chat sitting on the sofa. There's noting 'predatory' about it at all, only if you instinctively see any gay man who isn't an effeminate, sexless, camp joke, as 'predatory', which sadly many people still do.”
“James is behaving exactly the same way towards Austin yet not one person would ever think of calling it predatory, simply because 'predatory' is a go-to word for describing gay people .
What we're seeing is two friends engaging in frat house style horse play. The ONLY reason it's called "predatory" is because that's a stereotype people have about gay people.
They are two friends having a chat sitting on the sofa. There's noting 'predatory' about it at all, only if you instinctively see any gay man who isn't an effeminate, sexless, camp joke, as 'predatory', which sadly many people still do.”
Well said. That was the big point I was trying to make
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