You can be a little bit predatory in that it's the first time we have seen Austin try and steak his claim insist he's James best friend above all others and get argumentative about it if he continues like this then I imagine he will go from being s little predatory into predatory and then really predatory then really really predatory etc etc

I didn't use it in that way , I stated clearly in an earlier post


I think Austin is very predatory . In my opinion it's part of his nature to be in your face in most regards , so flirting would be part of that . OTT in all things . Screaming shouting sessions, throwing hissy fits when irritated , calling house meetings in dramatic fashion rather than addressing those responsible for offending him directly and calmly .He's a camera hogging fool really .

I'm challenging your assertion that it is never used against those in heterosexual friendships/against women . It most certainly is , so you need to review your understanding of the word and accept that 'predatory' is not a homophobic slur in any way .

In what way is he predatory then? Because for someone you describe as "very" predatory, you haven't at all mentioned anything that would fit this description.

Austin and James did a strip for Sherrie last night that may well make tonight's highlights. At the end they mutually slapped each other on the arse a few times. I look forward to James' being fine but Austin's being described as "OMG that's so predatory, and Im totally not a homophobe"

Describing a gay man as 'predatory' based on nothing what so ever, is the epitome of homophobia.

James and Austin have a mutual friendship and horseplay TOGETHER.

Straight guy = harmless horseplay

Gay guy = dangerous predator

Clear homophobic slur, even if you might not want to accept it.

...not only is it overtly homophobic it's also very sad and one of the reasons why many straight men have hang-ups about forming close relationships with gay men because of how the ignorant homophobes, such as outlined in this thread, would view their relationship.

"OMG you're doing the same thing to him as you would your close straight friends but you know he's a GAY...right?"

It's frathouse-level tomfoolery that people dislike because Austin's gay therefore there's somehow something creepy, predatory and disconcerting about it.

...in a totally non-homophobic way of course

The epitome of a predatory man is one who uses manipulation to seduce naive women, not a gay man. If you want to engage in a debate about how the term is used to construct male sexuality then its more suited to base it on heterosexual rather than homosexual stereotypes.

The accusations getting thrown around on this thread are baseless and tasteless.

What a load of utter garbage. I don't think you believe these words, even as you type them.

People with common sense understand the dofference between a jokey comment and sustained attempted manipulation. Not difficult.

Sorry but, and I hate this phrase, you need to check your privilege.

As has been pointed out to you on many occasions on this thread by many different people 'predatory' has a long history of being coupled with 'homosexual' in a pejorative sense.

If anyone hijacked it, blame the likes of the Daily Mail etc who used it aggressively throughout my childhood (80s) to paint a picture of a seething cesspool or rapey gays who would come and infect all the nice non-predatory heterosexuals with all sorts of nasty gay diseases, corrupt their children (because obviously all gays are pedophiles and just can't help themselves) and generally bring down the destruction of polite society with their uncontrollable sexual urges. It was, in many ways, the spiritual and nastier successor to 'confirmed bachelor'.

Where do you think such stock phrases as 'backs against the walls, lads', 'don't drop the soap' and 'don't bend down' originated from? It certainly wasn't from the assumption that heterosexual males would be unable to resist the offer of a soapy penis up their bottom. It was born of the assumption that all gays were 'sick' and would stop at nothing to get their end away with unwilling partners.

You complain about people 'rewriting the dictionary' and yet you seem to think it's fine to rewrite history yourself?

Some gay people agree with the characterisation of Austin's behaviour. Are they homophobic?

I really don't care what people's preferences are. I wouldn't hesitate to use the words "predatory" and "creepy" towards anyone, gay straight or whatever. Words behaviour is weirdo behaviour regardless of who's doing it. Straight men can be predatory and creepy towards women. Women can be creep too towards men and women. It really doesn't matter, it's the behaviour I find off.

People who say that what I've said here is homophobic are either thick or malicious. I don't care which and it simply won't have any effect on me. Carry on.

Please give us examples of this sustained manipulation you have imagined.

Tony you can argue all day long that it's perfectly natural for two guys to get naked demand naked bum rubs get naked in the pool and try to grab the other guys dick and that its brotherly or what all friends do etc etc
But what you can't do , go read the terms and conditions of this forum is you don't agree is call someone a homophobe when someone on here thinks it's actually flirting and certainly not how most people act with their siblings

This is what I was trying to say way back on page one. I say try because you have put it so much better. Their behaviour is on par but Austin is labelled predatory and James an innocent victim. That is homophobia.


Indeed. It's a jokey comment when heterosexual James says it to a female but it's a sustained attempted manipulation labelled as predatory when homosexual Austin is involved.


Another excellent post

Austin's a confident, outgoing and hot-headed gay guy who has formed a close friendship with James and they horse around together. Austin has said he'd never do the same thing with a gay guy because of his husband and he wouldn't want to lead someone on or get to a stage where the horseplay was misread and taken for something deeper.

James, for his part, has said Austin has never, ever done anything he feels uncomfortable with or that he feels is inappropriate.

So how is that interpreted? "Creepy, gay predator who'll cheat on his partner given half a chance"


...yeah, totally not homophobic that.

We saw James get angry and walk away during the discussion where Austin came across a little bit predatory though he crossed the line and James walked away
Also when Austin got into bed naked with James he got out of bed and walked away , he wouldn't let him grab his dick in the pool either

It doesn't matter about the history of the word though in this case it's to do with Austin , it's to describe his behaviour and if people feel it's predatory you can argue the rights and wrongs of that assumption it's ridiculous to suggest because in the past all gays may or may not have been classed as predatory that now all gays should be excluded from being called so
No one on here battered an eyelid when Tina was called predatory. I believe in equality

Of course the history of the word matters, otherwise you could just as well claim the N-word wasn't anything to be concerned by. That started out as a neutral term too, a simple derivative of 'Negro'

What you can argue is that it was used innocently in this instance, and no ill-harm was intended. And yo may be right. What you cannot argue is that the history and context of words don't affect their meaning and associations, and that people are being silly pointing this out.

We also saw him call a halt to Austin's 'play wrestling' by dumping him in the pool to cool him off .
It's astonishing that anyone is trying to say that a simple word clearly defined in all dictionaries (even the Urban version) is a homophobic slur . It isn't .
For goodness sake it's the title of a series of movies and not one has ever been blacklisted as homophobic .

Why would it need to be innocently used ? It's a descriptive word, like 'boring' or 'amusing' , and can and is used regularly to describe all genders and preferences without anyone batting an eyelid .
Show me proof of this claim that it is a slur on gay men only .
It simply isn't true .

People are being called homophobic on here because they say that Austins behaviour has been flirty and a little predatory
It's nothing like the N word predatory is a word used to describe an action no one is exempt from that word , can you imagine in court oh the predator was gay so let's dismiss this we don't want to offend every gay person in the country
I think people should get a sense of perspective on here

That was horrendous. Very disconcerting.

Your the one who started this thread in the first place. I'd say you were homophobic...

Yes, it does

People have pointed out why they don't like this word. And your just dismissive?

Its nothing like the N word? ~Oh jesus, she's unbelievable

"Can I imagine in court whether the predator is gay?" She's got no idea of what she's ralking about. #it must rattle around in her head...

I'm very very dismissive of you who calls everyone a homophobe because you don't know how to discuss a point properly , if you find discussions here difficult and don't know how to debate and just abuse people why are you even here?

Because they are talking crap. Stupidity should be dismissed and purposely argumentative posts like yours ignored or reported