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Old 18-09-2015, 14:50
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This is great news as far as I'm concerned.


For me, she's turned a show that I've watched for as long as it's been on air into something which is just a sensationalistic, narratively meaningless social media chasing drama.
Characters are plot driven and without defined personality and dialogue is simply plot chasing or designed to be viewer manipulative.

Yep she's had a few rare moments where the occasional scene has been decent - but they've been few & far between.


Her leaving is good news to me



Nope - nobody else then

That's fine - I'm happy to celebrate all by myself
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Old 18-09-2015, 14:55
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I'm dreading ED going down the path of " incidental mood music" on scenes, and endless textphone-type sms texts on-screen a la Hollyoaks. If that happens with this replacement Producer,then I'm off! ( Ross or no Ross lol!) .

I would like the pace to slow up a little as well.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:00
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This is great news as far as I'm concerned.


For me, she's turned a show that I've watched for as long as it's been on air into something which is just a sensationalistic, narratively meaningless social media chasing drama.
Characters are plot driven and without defined personality and dialogue is simply plot chasing or designed to be viewer manipulative.

Yep she's had a few rare moments where the occasional scene has been decent - but they've been few & far between.
Her leaving is good news to me

Nope - nobody else then
That's fine - I'm happy to celebrate all by myself
Hello Spunger! You did say you'd return once Ms Oates had departed, so welcome back.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:00
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I'm dreading ED going down the path of " incidental mood music" on scenes, and endless textphone-type sms texts on-screen a la Hollyoaks. If that happens with this replacement Producer,then I'm off! ( Ross or no Ross lol!) .

I would like the pace to slow up a little as well.
Didn't Emmerdale used to have background music? I know I've watched old episodes maybe from 10-15 years ago where there was background music. I doubt they'd go as far as doing the showing texts like Hollyoaks, it seems to be their trade mark.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:01
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But you know who their replacing her though right? Some Hollyoaks series producer. R.I.P Emmerdale. I'm kind of gutted that Kate is leaving Emmerdale. I think she is brilliant. But hopefully she will make Corrie good again.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:03
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Be careful what you wish for. Based on ITV's choice of producer I sense Emmerdale may be the next soap to go under.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:03
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She revived a show that had been lagging for years and lost it's identity. The show hasn't been this good since Kathleen Beedles left in 2008 in my opinion. Anita Turner didn't make the slightest impact, Gavin Blyth trashed the show, tore it to pieces and created a new one completely disregarding the show's history and resigning long-termers to background roles supporting his favourite new creations, while Stuart Blackburn continued his work, my only commendation for him being the Cameron story.

Meanwhile Kate Oates has created an abundance of genuinely exciting new characters and stories and given prominence to long term cast wherever possible. And she split up Laurel and Marlon. Everyone's a winner.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:06
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She's done some good work, but as of late the flaws have been all too evident.

1) Pandering to the online "Robron" fan community.

2) Putting Megan with the god awful Jai and lumbering her with his kid.

3) Trying to make it seem as though a 17 year old kid getting a 39 year old woman pregnant is acceptable (and some sort of epic romance).

4) Breaking up the nice partnership of Debbie and Pete, and erasing the Ross/Donna romance to make way for this stupid love triangle.

5) Trying to make us feel sympathy for anyone who commits adultery.

6) On the path to breaking up Harriet and Ashley, one of the few decent couples left.

7) Not axing Ali Spencer the moment she arrived.

8) Killing off Val permanently.

9) Refusing to acknowledge the concept of bisexuality.

10) Trying to pass off the Ross/Debbie affair as acceptable, just because of Pete's reaction.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:13
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She's done some good work, but as of late the flaws have been all too evident.

1) Pandering to the online "Robron" fan community.

2) Putting Megan with the god awful Jai and lumbering her with his kid.

3) Trying to make it seem as though a 17 year old kid getting a 39 year old woman pregnant is acceptable (and some sort of epic romance).

4) Breaking up the nice partnership of Debbie and Pete, and erasing the Ross/Donna romance to make way for this stupid love triangle.

5) Trying to make us feel sympathy for anyone who commits adultery.

6) On the path to breaking up Harriet and Ashley, one of the few decent couples left.

7) Not axing Ali Spencer the moment she arrived.

8) Killing off Val permanently.

9) Refusing to acknowledge the concept of bisexuality.

10) Trying to pass off the Ross/Debbie affair as acceptable, just because of Pete's reaction.
I agree with most of what you said except Ashley/Harriet, they will be better off paired with Laurel and Bob.

Kate Oates has made some mistakes, Debbie/Ross being the biggest but when judging her over the past 3 years over all she's done a great job she had some great stories with truly shocking moments and that isn't easy to pull off these days.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:16
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Nope you aren't the only one, I am glad she is going. Since she took over I have watched Emmerdale a whole lot less and half the time I don't bother catching up.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:20
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She revived a show that had been lagging for years and lost it's identity. The show hasn't been this good since Kathleen Beedles left in 2008 in my opinion. Anita Turner didn't make the slightest impact, Gavin Blyth trashed the show, tore it to pieces and created a new one completely disregarding the show's history and resigning long-termers to background roles supporting his favourite new creations, while Stuart Blackburn continued his work, my only commendation for him being the Cameron story.

Meanwhile Kate Oates has created an abundance of genuinely exciting new characters and stories and given prominence to long term cast wherever possible. And she split up Laurel and Marlon. Everyone's a winner.
Anita Turner was dreadful and practically lost me permanently - but for me Gavin Blythe revived the show and brought me back full time - I haven't missed an episode till the interminable sensationalism of Kate Oates this past year has had me not bothering to catch up on eps that I'd missed.


As for her "exciting" new characters

Oh - you mean like one dimensional psychokid Lachlan
or one dimensional psychomum Emma
or am I gay, am I straight Robert - hell, I'll just kill people anyways
or I used to be gay but now I'm straight Lawrence - but who cares, I just throw money at every problem anyways
or ex cop, ex vicar Harriet whose only purpose is - well I'm still trying to work that one out
or James-I-walk-like-John-Wayne-cos-I'm-supposed-to-be-a-farmer-Barton


There's nothing creative or exciting about them - they're all straight off the factory conveyor belt of soap characters with storylines to match.


But hey - each to their own
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:23
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Where does this leave Emmerdale though? It's all very well to want to take ED's producer to sort out the mess that CS is, but if KO is at CS she won't be at ED. So basically viewers are so wrapped up in wanting The Hat out, their willing to sacrifice ED to stop CS from drowning. Personally I can't see anything worth celebrating, infact black attire and a bunch of flowers seems more appropriate than champagne. Cos from where I'm standing, I feel it's more of a funeral than a party occaision.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:24
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Yes and No - She has been mixed bag for me depends on who the replacement shall be
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:26
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Anita Turner was dreadful and practically lost me permanently - but for me Gavin Blythe revived the show and brought me back full time - I haven't missed an episode till the interminable sensationalism of Kate Oates this past year has had me not bothering to catch up on eps that I'd missed.


As for her "exciting" new characters

Oh - you mean like one dimensional psychokid Lachlan
or one dimensional psychomum Emma
or am I gay, am I straight Robert - hell, I'll just kill people anyways
or I used to be gay but now I'm straight Lawrence - but who cares, I just throw money at every problem anyways
or ex cop, ex vicar Harriet whose only purpose is - well I'm still trying to work that one out
or James-I-walk-like-John-Wayne-cos-I'm-supposed-to-be-a-farmer-Barton


There's nothing creative or exciting about them - they're all straight off the factory conveyor belt of soap characters with storylines to match.


But hey - each to their own
What exactly was it about Blyth's time on the show that "brought you back", what is it you want from Emmerdale, we've heard what you don't appreciate. Don't quote Aaron. Please....
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:27
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I am celebrating with you, sheepiefarm, now that Kate Oates is leaving Emmerdale ; will it be possible for the new man to retrieve our once happy rural soap from the violent sexathon which Kate Oates has made it? My euphoria is a bit spoiled though by next reading that she is going to be let loose on Coronation Street . Why didn't ITV just give her and Stuart Blackburn their P45's and audition, seriously audition, for new, competent, producers for both of my favourite shows?
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:29
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I am celebrating with you, sheepiefarm, now that Kate Oates is leaving Emmerdale ; will it be possible for the new man to retrieve our once happy rural soap from the violent sexathon which Kate Oates has made it? My euphoria is a bit spoiled though by next reading that she is going to be let loose on Coronation Street . Why didn't ITV just give her and Stuart Blackburn their P45's and audition, seriously audition, for new, competent, producers for both of my favourite shows?
Go straight back to the nineties for that....
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:30
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Be careful what you wish for. Based on ITV's choice of producer I sense Emmerdale may be the next soap to go under.
Ha! I was just going to say that.

I'm not actually Kate Oates' number 1 fan. She's done some good stuff, and some silly unlikeable stuff which has bored me to tears. I'm not too bothered by her moving on.

But look at who's coming. I suspect anyone celebrating, won't be celebrating too long.

If you thought the plots were trashy and twisty under KO, just wait until every adult is screwing someone under 18 (it's soooo romantic!), and every woman's a crim or a bimbo or a cartoon nutter, characters die in droves and are instantly forgotten, and the cast is a meat market. You'll be wishing yourself back.

Course, it might be all right. Maybe the guy has been hiding his light under a bushel. Just hiding it really well.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:30
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Why didn't ITV just give her and Stuart Blackburn their P45's and audition, seriously audition, for new, competent, producers for both of my favourite shows?
Do you know what process they go through when they hire new producers? I know with the US soaps when they hire new Head Writers (which is like the producer role) they have the applicants submit a bible which is all of their story ideas for the show for the next few months to a year. Do the British soaps require something similar?
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:39
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Go straight back to the nineties for that....
I disagree, it should be a rural serial that's what Emmerdale is all about and what makes it unique. It's otherwise, more or less EastEnders set in a Yorkshire village.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:45
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I disagree, it should be a rural serial that's what Emmerdale is all about and what makes it unique. It's otherwise, more or less EastEnders set in a Yorkshire village.
I've never watched EastEnders but I think Emmerdale is more inline with Hollyoaks, except the acting and writing is better.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:50
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No producer is loved by everyone. Personally I didn't mind Kate. I agree that the stories have become about sensationalism but she has done a lot of good for the show too. I'm more concerned about the new producer. If you think the show is sensationalised now it will be worse in a years time if we have a Hollyoaks producer . you never know though, the next producer could be the best emmerdale has ever had.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:51
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What exactly was it about Blyth's time on the show that "brought you back", what is it you want from Emmerdale, we've heard what you don't appreciate. Don't quote Aaron. Please....
I want storylines that are driven by character - where "characterisation" is explored - and consequences happen through characterisation rather than endless contrived plots.

Where time is taken to tell the narrative and the narrative is explored fully.
Storylines where characters actions are "relatable", understandable and where the journey of how the character gets from point A to point B is given credence.

I watch soaps to become involved in the characters lives, to become immersed in their world and see the narrative how they see it, how they feel it and how they comprehend it - and to understand how they make the decisions they do.

Kate Oates is all about the big payoff - the big emotional scene - but spends absolutely no time on the journey.


But like I said - that's just me
If the next producer is no better - then so be it - the show will probably lose me as a permanent viewer - or until they find someone who engages my attention again.


For the time being - I celebrate her exit and look forward to seeing if the next one can engage me fully once again
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:56
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I disagree, it should be a rural serial that's what Emmerdale is all about and what makes it unique. It's otherwise, more or less EastEnders set in a Yorkshire village.
My point is it hasn't been like that since then. Just because of it's location, or the fact a couple of characters are farmers doesn't mean it's any different from the others, it lost that 'quiet farming community' feel many, many years before Oates. It's unfair to level the sensationalism all at her feet, when the show she inherited arguably was even worse for it.
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Old 18-09-2015, 15:57
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Ha! I was just going to say that.

I'm not actually Kate Oates' number 1 fan. She's done some good stuff, and some silly unlikeable stuff which has bored me to tears. I'm not too bothered by her moving on.

But look at who's coming. I suspect anyone celebrating, won't be celebrating too long.

If you thought the plots were trashy and twisty under KO, just wait until every adult is screwing someone under 18 (it's soooo romantic!), and every woman's a crim or a bimbo or a cartoon nutter, characters die in droves and are instantly forgotten, and the cast is a meat market. You'll be wishing yourself back.

Course, it might be all right. Maybe the guy has been hiding his light under a bushel. Just hiding it really well.
To be fair though - this is you just making assumptions.
The guy was also story editor of Coronation Street from July 2009 to sometime in 2013 - whilst I don't watch CS - I'm pretty sure that description above doesn't fit with what CS was during that period.

He may prove to be worse than Kate Oates - and if so, then so be it.

But for me, I dislike Kate Oates work - so I celebrate that she's going
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Old 18-09-2015, 16:01
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I think she is massively overrated, personally. She has turned Emmerdale into a programme that is all style and very little actual substance. She started off well, no doubt. She did a fine job of clearing up most of Blackburn's mess and the climax to the Cameron storyline was genuinely gripping TV. Sadly, she has spent the past two years desperately trying to recapture the magic of that story, throwing in shootings, gangsters, kidnaps, violent assaults, fake deaths, and even hurling a helicopter at the village, all of which left very little in the way of lasting impact. The publicity stunt that was "killing off" Ross only to bring him back two weeks later was beyond cheap. But then, that is Kate Oates all over. Very big on shock value, very short on proper, lasting consequences.
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