I'm really not sure what you're asking me here, sorry.

Why would I wonder if people who like James had been "played"? People who like James have made coherent and convincing arguments as to why he's not fake. I agree with them. I can't say the same for the opposing argument.

I don't subscribe to the automatic cynical dispostion that an increasing number of FMs seem to, so if I see no plausible evidence of fakeness, I wouldn't question anything.

That was the same line used for fans of Christian in the last BB.

If you were a fan of Christian you were either female or homosexual.

A gross generalisation.

I'm a straight female and I don't like James. I didn't really have an opinion either way about Christian.

Tactical in regards to gameplay, not fooling the public.

He has been incredibly consistent throughout and HAS stayed true to himself, he confronts the people he didn't get on with (Farrah) and friends too (Austin), so he doesn't play off anyone against each other... AHEM Jenna. He has done what he felt was right.

I don't think he has been playing the public at all. He is a nice guy, not the villain that The Apprentice producers told him to play.

He makes one choice that people don't agree with and everyone loses it. You'd think he had done something severe like spit in someones face judging by how the tables turned tonight

weren't you one of the ones cynical of Gail last week too?

I was assuming you weren't a member of the "played" club and could see James's tactics. My bad, party on

Whenever a guy takes a shirt of, expect Damon to say "you only support this person if your a woman or gay"

I'm surprised that if he was your favourite on The Apprentice he was also your favourite on CBB as he is a completely different character and if you have seen both it is also surprising that you only now think that James is playing us.

However, I agree that tonight the cracks are showing with James. Whether we were aware or want to believe it or not he clearly has a relationship with Jenna that made even him feel guilty to the extent that he thought he should explain himself for not picking her tonight. Even without that knowledge him choosing Janice reeked of trying to play a game.


I have genuinely NEVER seen that even once. I have however seen many personal and private conversations between James and Jenna, not that I realised they were actually close but given her reaction to not being picked and his belief that she deserves an explanation I think we can safely say that they are actually close.

It looked to me like he felt outed about his game playing by Jenna and Austin questioning him and he really didn't like it.

Exactly. Proves it's a complete generalisation.

Your old fashioned. And you are misremembering history. Lots of players have won. Besides I think he is being himself. He's a salesman in real life & he is using his skills on the show to sell us a winner and spin every occasion. He's s worthy winner but I wouldn't buy a car from him

Even this fansite said it

bbspy ‏@bbspy · 2h2 hours ago
I'm sorry, but why exactly should James have saved Jenna? #bbuklive #cbb

I don't get it. I don't have the foggiest.

Ha!

Is this your signature move now?

This is actually hilarious! I shouldn't have to defend myself but I will anyway, because I can't bare attempted WUMs.

I've barely discussed Gail on here. When I have, I have been categorically supportive of her actions, despite admittedly finding her a boring housemate.

I have actually not been cynical about anyone on this forum this series - if anything I've repeatedly mentioned how dull the cynicism is.

PS - very interesting how you haven't replied to mine or Salv's rebuttal of your argument. Instead throwing around silly accusations

That's thing, I actually believed that James was being 'true' ... that he was a genuinely nice young man ( nothing to do with him being pretty )

But tonight with the Janice thing ... and all that stuff about caring for other people's feelings so much ... and doing it for Chloe because she's 'a vulnerable young girl'

It just didn't ring 'true' somehow

it just didn't

Matt at BBSPY isn't a neutral news source. He has his favourites and post propaganda against those he doesn't like

PMSL ..and we think Janice and Farrah live on their own planets

Not one hm has ever won BB based on their game playing antics. NOT ONE. Any game playing winner has always had to do so by pretending to be someone or something other than who they really are i.e a game player.

I suppose so. But at least I hope people acknowledge it and don't blindly adore him for being so nice and lovely.

I haven't seen him being close to Janice. He's been closer to Bobby and Jenna than Janice.
His reasoning wasn't even about being close to Janice, he claimed that he was doing it for Chloe.

By the way, I'm not saying James is or isn't putting on an act. I'm just saying that BB shouldn't be about people not being themselves in order to win. That's not why I think people watch, I think they watch to get to know somebody, the real person.

Also, where in my post did I claim only real people had won? I never made any comment on that.

Aaron., Jim Davidson, Pete Bennett, Brian Belo...

How do you know that's not what they did to win?
Do you think gameplayers are the only ones we notice because we are too clever to not spot them?

To some extent, they're all playing a game, and would like the public to like them. I don't think James is acting though. He's stayed the same personality wise since day one. He doesn't like when people are rude, and say hurtful things to others in the house just to start drama. He doesn't buy into the honesty is always best policy (thank God), and just run his mouth off all the time. He's actually a considerate person who doesn't like to see people upset. He's not even that fond of Chloe, but he was upset for days at Austin brow beating her. It's the same reason Farrah bothered him in the beginning. Remember when she put on that performance during the royal tea? James lost his shit, because he found all the stuff she was saying so vile. He seems honestly sensitive to others feelings unlike some of the scumbag HM's in the house. Janice with all her oddities also isn't a mean person. She certainly isn't a bulldog like Jenna, Austin and Farrah have been. I also think he knew if he took Janice then Stevi/Chloe would have to take Bobby, and so on leaving Farrah or Jenna the one out. Who could blame him for not taking to either of them when he's polar opposite to them?

But who's to say he had to choose the person he was closest to? It wasn't part of the instruction was it?

Maybe as an aspiring business man he wanted to curry favour with Janice. He may have calculated that she is the most powerful person in the house by a country mile and making a friend of her and gaining access to her network will do his future aspirations no harm at all.

My point it we all do pretty well everything we do because we perceive some advantage in doing it and when making a choice we chose or try to chose the most advantageous choice. I don't know why doing that is at odds with being a nice or lovely person.

No one. He can choose based on any criteria he wishes.
So when asked about it I'd like him to be honest about it.

I think we probably agree why he did it. I don't mind him trying to fool the other housemates, but when it comes to trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the viewers I see things very differently.

I find it funny like Chloe and Stevies act . I don't think it's convincing but it's amusing and they are supposed to be entertaining

Personally I think he's a nice guy, mature, thoughtful, has a spine, stands up for himself and others.

I think he's being himself in there.

I also think that, when it comes down to wanting to win and being in a situation like they were tonight, yes he's going to vote tactically. That's not a bad thing, after all they were put in a gameshow type situation, standing at podiums and having to pick each other off.

That doesn't mean he's not genuine in general, just that specifically in that situation he played the game.

Had the remaining 5 housemates been different housemates, somebody else may have voted tactically - the number podium they stood on made it possible for the first 2 housemates to choose to make a more tactical vote than the second two housemates.

I think that he took the easy way out, knew that somebody would vote for Bobby and Sherrie so he took the opportunity to big himself up a bit, pick somebody that he knew Chloe/Stevie would pick anyway, made himself look the good guy - which he didn't really need to do because we already knew he was a decent bloke.

Had Stevie and Chloe been first then they would undoubtedly have chosen Janice, then I imagine that James would have chosen Bobby. Austin, more than likely, had he been first would have saved Jenna. Had it gone down to a Sherrie/Farrah finale with James last to pick, he'd have picked Sherrie.

I think the result would have been the same either way, so James did take the opportunity to do something to sell himself but the result was more than likely the same either way.