I know

But it's the last week so that means its time for the DS favourite assassination.

[quote=Salv*;79697427]I know

But it's the last week so that means its time for the DS favourite assassination.[/QUO

LOL.
He will probably win. I not bothered.

Oh you've met him? You know him personally ......... or are you just making an assumption?

Have to agree with this post especially over the last couple of days.

Gail's way of getting attention and again last night on BOTS. Give me a whoop

I think the OP means James is selling himself to the wider audience, generate more votes.

He knows better now how popular or not Chloe/Stevie are, they were in the top 4 last night.

Fair point but then again he knows he is also popular but not whether he is more or less popular than them. If he is more then 'aligning' himself with someone less so for 'tactical' reasons wouldn't exactly seem well thought through..............why not just chose Janice or anyone else and say nothing as to why..............................?

Its a game and James is a quick thinker, he knew S&C would pick Janice . Natasha picked sherrie . That left the other 3 , he jumped in and picked Janice throwing C&S out of the game and left them with one choice Bobby. That left Austin with Jenna and Farrah.

If he had picked Jenna , it would have left Austin with Bobby and Farrah, bobby would have gone.

Why would he have picked Jenna???????????

Yes but if he had picked Bobby himself, S&C would have picked Janice anyway so same result.

James played the numbers game. He has the gay vote inherited from relationship with Austin. He now has the janice fan support by saving her, he has the c and S fanbase support due to his 'consideration' for Chloe. On top of that it left an american to cut down an american, and it didnt really matter which on e went (Jenna or Farrah) . Both strong characters. Both perceived strong competition needing elimination. Imv James played a blinder

I thought it and then went a little further and thought that Chloe and Stevi would OBVIOUSLY choose Janice. He can choose who he likes but we can speculate on the reasons behind that choice particularly when it seems about something else other than actual relationships in the House and other than the reasons he chose to give.


The point of the thread is that James came across as playing a game / being manipulative in that choice. Your reasons are indeed sound reasons but also surely totally fit the idea of a game player / manipulator in the BB context particularly as he wouldn't come clean about it. He's allowed to do whatever he wants and curry whatever favour he wants but then we are also allowed to judge him on that.

I think he let himself down in not coming clean about his choice. If his reasons were the reasons given above I'd have liked to hear them when he explained himself later or even in the diary room and he'd have gone up in my estimation but the caring for others spiel he chose to give came across as bollocks to be frank.

I think that some are bothered by the result, but I think a lot of people are talking about this more in respect to James himself.
But it seems that you do acknowledge his motivations and aren't pretending to buy that nonsense about him wanting to protect Chloe. At least you're realistic about it.

Exactly and James made a big statement about himself in his choice and the reasons he gave for his choice. Neither rang true to me

Oh I imagine it was a very tactical move, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that, especially as they were put in the position they were. They were placed on podiums, it was very much in the method of a game show, if there ever was a time to vote tactically then this was it. He took the opportunity, I think anybody who was choosing first or second had the chance (not that they necessarily would have taken it) to vote tactically.

I think he took the chance to sell himself. Probably not the best move, not really needed either as we can all see (most of us anyway) that, in general, he's a nice enough guy and he's done well enough to be in the top 4.

On the other hand, none of us can know for sure, 100%, that he didn't do it because it's better Chloe have a buffer in Jasmine rather than the rest of the house having to put up with her Perhaps that was enough of an incentive for him to vote for Janice

I agree with that. If on tonight's HL show he explains this in the diary room (in other words to us) then fair enough, he played a tactical game and let us in on it. But if that doesn't happen then he's playing us and trying to convince us the viewers that he was doing it as an act of nobility and heroism.

I don't know if you watched the live feed last night but later on he gave a show-winning speech to some of the housemates about what a philanthropist he is compared to them, which will probably make it onto tonight's HL show.
Which suggests to me that it was more for our benefit than the housemates and I realistically don't expect him to be forthcoming to us the viewers.

I did and was one of the first to post James's winning speech on the WHATM thread

It's a pity he couldn't have played it to include us as now I really can't be bothered with him. We're not all fools in the audience

agree

Yes!Not a chance was any of that about Chloe! And the speech he gave later over egged the whole thing. Besides hes been throwing Austin under the bus for days now i like James but he has his eye on the prize right now. Austin imv is completely smitten and would do well to listen to Jenna when she said that he needs to start thinking of James as an opponent. Btw it wouldnt surprise me if BB exposes James via a bad edit in the final week. From a PR perspective Austin is the better winner. He covers both American and Uk with his American roots but his very 'now im Brtish' attitude. Id prefer james to win. Nothing wrong with him playong the game imv. Btw he cannot let us in on his plan in case BB plays it to the house! The diary roomstopped being confidential a long time ago.

If in the diary room he tells BB that he's running rings around the other housemates and is laughing about it, I think I'd probably like him for that.

I think you're a good poster and I genuinely respect your take on things, even though I see things with a different view.
But wouldn't you prefer it if James actually let the viewers into his real thought processes rather than playing a game of pretend with us as well as his housemates?

To add to what you said, I also think that Austin has been trying to stitch James up as well in recent days, with the odd comment which points out something James has said which he feels is 'wrong' in the intention that we'd see it.

I think my opinions on all of them have softened a bit. I don't hate any of them. I can see them playing each other in their own ways. I see your point about Austin and yes I think I'd probably agree with you to some extent in that he has played a braver game and really put himself out there, whilst James has been very safe and saying what he thinks viewers would like to hear.

You've just made an excellent point which I've never see anyone mention before. That housemates probably can't be honest to us the viewers anymore if they're playing a sneaky game, because as you say they now know that BB may play what is in the diary room to the entire house.
Thanks for that BB, you've managed to ruin something else about the show.

But what do they get for winning nought. It's rare these days anyone gets any work from it surely they just do it for the pay cheque. I don't see why they would care if they won or not as long there not the first to be voted out ?

James has a charm and a way with words which appeal to most people. But I wouldn't trust him.
He's a sheep in wolves clothing.

Thanks!

Id love it if we could go back to the days where the diary room was safe enough for HM's to go in and disclose their game plan. But they can't risk it. James likely knows that BB could play it to the house to stir up confrontation or if he did disclose they might not show it anyway.

I dislike it when HM's try and fool the public but i think BB created that situation. There used to be a time when BB and the public were in on everything together. Now half the time BB is playing us too. As a contestant your only choice is to go it alone, cards close to your chest. They have no confidential way of communicating with us.