My bad, probably should have clarified I was talking about his time on The Apprentice. Apologies.

I think the poster was talking about The Apprentice, the previous reality show he was on.
He was quite aggressive with a couple of the female contestants, or he completely dismissed them whenever they tried to offer a valid contribution to the tasks.

James is far removed from how he was on The Apprentice and how he comes across according to the assault descriptions to the degree that I'm now beginning to wonder if he's been in some kind of therapy to help deal with his anger and resentment. In picking Janice he said that she helps Chloe and that he has had someone helping him I wonder if that is what he was referring to.

I seem to have talked myself out of him being a manipulative game player here. Well done James he's got me

@Alrightmate and @Penelope_Pitst1 you both make very good points and I agree that clearly the Diary Room is now no longer a safe place in BB where HMs could perhaps explain themselves. However I really don't think James is that kind of player anyway.

It's not harsh. I didn't label anyone a cynic because they simply do not agree with me. You have taken my post out of context.

I agree with your statement re: questioning motivations but increasingly I see a few FM not actually doing this or coming up with a rational argument. Instead they spout generalisations and cliches and shy away from actually answering when challenged. This is obviously a small minority, but it drags down the proper debate.

My main issue with cynicism here has to do with insignificant actions/behaviours being immediately claimed to be fake. I have expressed this on relevant threads and others have agreed.

A drug dealers daughter won bb this summer. Looks like we have another winner who past is not to be to proud of either.

It's possible I guess. But you're putting an awful lot of faith in a single throwaway comment.

I also find it kinda hard to believe that someone can change that dramatically, that quickly. See? BB has made me cynical.

I wouldn't say he is a schemer,I just don't like how he says the right thing in every situation. its worth mentioning though maybe if he was not a nice guy he would not be Austin's toy. Or maybe thats a game. Who knows. We all think we have great insight into who every housemate is but probably very clueless.

James deciding who to save was a significant act though. So justifiably should be analysed.

Fair enough I did watch James in TA and found him to be a right plonker and very dismissive of the females yet nothing did I see that I found sinister. I know nothing of any assaults though but maybe he has learned from then and grown up somewhat. I do think that TA and BB are far removed from each other in terms of format and that on TA one is expected to be very confident and combatative showing steel and no mercy to competitors wheras BB one is required to show personality rather than busines acumen.

I don't mind James at all though he would not be my first chioce of winner, I do think he has come across normal, reasonable and a fairly decent bloke with a level head.

I think I just did that myself, why does he make me feel guilty for thinking he is a game player.

Of course it should be analysed. I didn't refer to it as an insignificant act.

Thanks! You might be right. Point is we are all just guessing again. I think the whole show is just spliced edits and hm's bear little relationship to what we see.

Imagine if a week of our lives was condensed into 7 hours of edited footage. Who knows how we could all be portrayed.

It was the reason he gave for choosing Janice that got me doubting his sincerity

Saying that he did it for Chloe didn't ring true for a couple of reasons

1 ) Chloe and Stevi still had their own choice to make ... and he knew they would choose Janice. He could have saved someone else, knowing that Janice would be safe anyway

2 ) Chloe is not 'alone' and 'vulnerable' in there. On the contrary, she and Stevi are is in the unique position of having a partner for support

I don't think he is Austen's toy I think Austen is his. Who obeys who and who listens to who?

Good point

It's definitely James who calls the shots in that relationship

Jenna outed him as a player to Austin and the opening post suggest that the poster has drawn a similar conclusion to Jenna's. It's not about me outing him, i outed his sneaky little ways ages ago it's about the consensus that has formed around recent events and that the subject has become a topic of debate where previously it wasn't. That's what i meant by "outed as a player"




Well of course. Now his facade is cracking it's a tactic where as when his games were having such a defining effect on viewers impression of Farrah's personality the idea of gamesmanship was laughable, this i say in a very general sense. I will presume that you've always considered the possibility that he's been misleading his fellow hm's. Not to mention the viewers.


Not much i can say to that is there... bahh!

No idea how you think i'm being fooled now though.


And be tainted by the game players kiss of death? no chance. It's smart to appear authentic and ethical, because no matter how much everyone in the BB universe bang on about "game", when hm's use tactics, those tactics are evaluated as personal ethics. For the most part that is.


You're assuming he wants to let us in on his alleged plan but is prevented from doing so. Do you expect him to reveal all when those limiting factors are removed i.e when the game is over? or will the game live on from this point forward in the form of game playing denials... You're assumption is absolutely fair but it can be tested and i'll gamble his interview with Emma will hold no revelations for us.


Ego, competitiveness, securing an audition for Made in Chelsea. Who knows lol


That doesn't follow imo. It's like saying they're all football players because there on the pitch. There's a significant margin of error which allows a referee to be called a football player. Or a house-mate to be called a game player.

And assuming you've correctly identified a game player the basis to which they are to be judged is without definition since there are no rules to the game.

I'll stop their because i can sense a rabbit hole looming..


Fake on BB Why the very idea is practically....... unavoidable.


I think this should be the overriding principle guiding our criticisms of hm's. However certain of our opinions we appear to be.

The trouble is we have ended up viewing him as a game player anyway and a sneaky one at that and his personal ethics are being questioned.

However, as much as I would have loved him to come clean and be honest to us the viewers as to why he picked Janice I agree with others that said the Diary Room is no longer sacrosanct so the whole House would have been let in on any intentional game playing which makes it redundant sadly

The only reason i see him as sneaky on an ethical basis is because he's intending to play the game with the voter. The voter is outside the structure of the game and it's the game that gives house-mates license to be sneaky.

He can't interact with the voter honestly even if he wanted to but i don't believe he wants to - his tactic is not to.

Yeah, look at Helen Wood

In your opinion, but neither you nor I can really know that for sure, it's all just supposition.

Well maybe he'll come out and admit to playing a sneaky game. I think Marc did this. If so we will know for sure but i doubt James will. So yes it will always be my opinion based on an incomplete picture of James. As every word spoken on DSBB is in fact.