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What do these HM's not understand about alcoholism?
Whitney0226
19-09-2015
Once again, it seems like everyone is confused by the fact that Chloe has alcohol issues, and can't be around it at times... why is this a hard concept? I'm truly confused at this point. She hasn't hidden the fact that she's recovering. She's clearly a mental mess, and they've all seen it. They just got past the whole Austin toast ordeal where she stayed in bed to avoid alcohol. Why would they assume it would be any different for Stevi's birthday?

Honestly, it seems like she has the most trouble with alcohol when it's a truly meaningful/happy occasion. Like the toast to Austin's brother was a big house coming together, emotional moment, and she couldn't handle it. Then tonight everyone is having a blast and drinking, and celebrating birthdays, and again it seemed to get to her. Obviously these types of situations are trigger points. She didn't try to stop any of them. She took herself outside, and either clued Janice in or Janice simply saw and followed to give her a pep talk. I'm willing to bet that her sobriety is very recent, and she probably shouldn't be doing CBB right now, but it is what it is.

Yeah, it was a bit dramatic her running to the diary room, but she seemed to genuinely not want Stevi clued into the fact that she was upset. She probably knew everyone would latch onto it, and start shit talking her again since they've showed such little sensitivity in the past to this issue. And Farrah did step in with a snide comment about this starting drama, and Stevi wouldn't let it alone. She should have just said a quick okay, but she obviously knew he'd start fussing over her. It's lose/lose for her.

I will say that Farrah was totally right in the Diary room commenting on the Janice/Chloe/Stevi triangle going on right now...

"This is just...looking really weird."

Janice has basically stepped smack dab into the middle of their relationship, and both are letting it happen. I think Chloe is clinging to Janice, because Janice is the only true support she's got in that house. Stevi never stands up for her, or seems to see when she's upset, etc. Janice fills that role, and is damn good at it. If I were Stevi though I would talk to Chloe about Janice refereeing their conversations, and yet Stevi acts like it's totally normal and fine. It gets odder and odder every day. Janice might adopt Chloe by the end of this show, and tell Stevi he can come along or hit the road.
Hairy Haggis
19-09-2015
Very well said. I have to agree that you've made some very good valid points in your statement.
The Riddler
19-09-2015
I think the main problem is that she talks about having it then hysterically shouts she doesn't want to talk about it.
She won't be around alcohol, then she is doing relays to the fridge bringing it to Stevie and bobby.

'Disease' or not the woman is a mass of contradictory behaviour
Paace
19-09-2015
Excellent, incisive post OP .

I have never seen such a nasty, insensitive bunch as this lot towards someone who told them she is trying to recover from alcoholism and I include Stevi . The guy is an absolute tool and coward, who hasn't got a clue about relationships .

They should never have got together and it will all end in disaster especially for Chloe . Moreover Chloe should not have gone into BB when she is in such a fragile recovery state.

Then again I remember how persuasive those BB producers can be in their desperation to get those they want into the show .
TTTango
19-09-2015
Nobody is making Chloe drink alcohol. If she is in recovery she should not drink, and Janice (also in recovery) is looking after her. I notice a lot of AA speak between the two.

It is an AA phrase 'if you go to the hairdressers often enough you will end up having a haircut' - meaning if you go to the pub or places where there is booze often enough you will end up having an alcoholic drink.

Daniel Radcliffe is supposedly a recovering alkie (he does not attends AA though, we have a mutual friend so I know this) - and has been seen recently in pubs in both Chelsea and NYC. He allegedly only drinks soft drinks, but is fine around others drinking alcohol. according to the mutual friend who has been out socialising with him in NYC. This doesn't seem to cause him to relapse. Hasn't relapse since 2013.

If DR can quite happily go into pubs, be around booze and not drink - why do AAers have such trouble doing the same...
Paace
19-09-2015
Originally Posted by TTTango:
“Nobody is making Chloe drink alcohol. If she is in recovery she should not drink, and Janice (also in recovery) is looking after her. I notice a lot of AA speak between the two.

It is an AA phrase 'if you go to the hairdressers often enough you will end up having a haircut' - meaning if you go to the pub or places where there is booze often enough you will end up having an alcoholic drink.

Daniel Radcliffe is supposedly a recovering alkie (he does not attends AA though, we have a mutual friend so I know this) - and has been seen recently in pubs in both Chelsea and NYC. He allegedly only drinks soft drinks, but is fine around others drinking alcohol. according to the mutual friend who has been out socialising with him in NYC. This doesn't seem to cause him to relapse. Hasn't relapse since 2013.

If DR can quite happily go into pubs, be around booze and not drink - why do AAers have such trouble doing the same...”

Good for Daniel but not everyone is the same .

Its the downright nastiness and insensitivity of the other HMs in particular Austin, towards her when she tries to remove herself from their alcoholic partying , that is appalling and reprehensible .
TTTango
19-09-2015
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Good for Daniel but not everyone is the same .

Its the downright nastiness and insensitivity of the other HMs in particular Austin, towards her when she tries to remove herself from their alcoholic partying , that is appalling and reprehensible .”

Its AA policy not to be around alcohol. I used to be a member, but left because of its suggestions (I.e. rules) - one was get a sponsor, of the same gender, older with more years sobriety, and do what she tells you.
It is so obvious to an ex_AAer like me that Janice has taken on the role of Chloe's sponsor. If your sponsor tells you to miss your boyfriend birthday party, as there is alcohol there, you do what she tells you or you get your wrists slapped. If she tells you to miss your housemates, dead brothers birthday toast, by staying in bed, you do what she tells you. Chloe is obeying Janice because she is acting as her AA sponsor.

I am surprised Austin had not picked this up being an American with alcoholism in the family. I have picked up on it and I am just a British viewer.
TTTango
19-09-2015
Just watching CBB - Chloe seems very delicate and probably needs AA and Janice to stop her relapsing. Someone like Daniel Radcliffe is made of far tougher material and doesn't need it. Yes AA has a place for people like Chloe who may relapse without it, but there are lots of celebs most American, but some British with 20 years + sobriety, who still go. Do they really need it. Can they not just go to functions and drink soft drinks. I look to Dan R who is 20 years younger than me as more of a role model with regards to alcohol than some of these celebs 20 years older and 20 years plus sober - who need a crutch like AA to stay sober.
Grant_Gilmour
20-09-2015
Originally Posted by Whitney0226:
“Once again, it seems like everyone is confused by the fact that Chloe has alcohol issues, and can't be around it at times... why is this a hard concept? I'm truly confused at this point. She hasn't hidden the fact that she's recovering. She's clearly a mental mess, and they've all seen it. They just got past the whole Austin toast ordeal where she stayed in bed to avoid alcohol. Why would they assume it would be any different for Stevi's birthday?

Honestly, it seems like she has the most trouble with alcohol when it's a truly meaningful/happy occasion. Like the toast to Austin's brother was a big house coming together, emotional moment, and she couldn't handle it. Then tonight everyone is having a blast and drinking, and celebrating birthdays, and again it seemed to get to her. Obviously these types of situations are trigger points. She didn't try to stop any of them. She took herself outside, and either clued Janice in or Janice simply saw and followed to give her a pep talk. I'm willing to bet that her sobriety is very recent, and she probably shouldn't be doing CBB right now, but it is what it is.

Yeah, it was a bit dramatic her running to the diary room, but she seemed to genuinely not want Stevi clued into the fact that she was upset. She probably knew everyone would latch onto it, and start shit talking her again since they've showed such little sensitivity in the past to this issue. And Farrah did step in with a snide comment about this starting drama, and Stevi wouldn't let it alone. She should have just said a quick okay, but she obviously knew he'd start fussing over her. It's lose/lose for her.

I will say that Farrah was totally right in the Diary room commenting on the Janice/Chloe/Stevi triangle going on right now...


"This is just...looking really weird."

Janice has basically stepped smack dab into the middle of their relationship, and both are letting it happen. I think Chloe is clinging to Janice, because Janice is the only true support she's got in that house. Stevi never stands up for her, or seems to see when she's upset, etc. Janice fills that role, and is damn good at it. If I were Stevi though I would talk to Chloe about Janice refereeing their conversations, and yet Stevi acts like it's totally normal and fine. It gets odder and odder every day. Janice might adopt Chloe by the end of this show, and tell Stevi he can come along or hit the road.”

What garbage ! As someone who has had an alcohol problem in the past, you don't turn it on and off depending on what type of situation It is, you want alcohol end of and you don't link it to any occasion mostly because when it becomes a problem you are drinking by yourself and social situations mean nothing, also if it was all so raw then why did she risk her sobriety going into a situation like BB where They are known to give out alcohol on a nightly basis and most people who go in say they drink every night because it's so boring and long, also she would have been vetted by psychologists, I call it attention seeking,

Alcoholism can become a compulsion and addiction but it's not a disease, you catch diseases
TTTango
20-09-2015
Originally Posted by Grant_Gilmour:
“What garbage ! As someone who has had an alcohol problem in the past, you don't turn it on and off depending on what type of situation It is, you want alcohol end of and you don't link it to any occasion mostly because when it becomes a problem you are drinking by yourself and social situations mean nothing, also if it was all so raw then why did she risk her sobriety going into a situation like BB where They are known to give out alcohol on a nightly basis and most people who go in say they drink every night because it's so boring and long, also she would have been vetted by psychologists, I call it attention seeking,

Alcoholism can become a compulsion and addiction but it's not a disease, you catch diseases”

There have been lots of recovering alcoholics in the CBB house past and present and also in the jungle. I cannot do names because of the second A in AA, but in each series of CBB there are usually two.
It surprises me that they are allowed in as one of the psychologists on C5, is in recovery. They know who has problems, but they still let them go into a house where there is alcohol on a nightly basis. I believe alcoholism is a disease (you can't catch it, but you cannot catch cancer or heart disease either - but they are still diseases).
heresitting
20-09-2015
Originally Posted by Grant_Gilmour:
“What garbage ! As someone who has had an alcohol problem in the past, you don't turn it on and off depending on what type of situation It is, you want alcohol end of and you don't link it to any occasion mostly because when it becomes a problem you are drinking by yourself and social situations mean nothing, also if it was all so raw then why did she risk her sobriety going into a situation like BB where They are known to give out alcohol on a nightly basis and most people who go in say they drink every night because it's so boring and long, also she would have been vetted by psychologists, I call it attention seeking,

Alcoholism can become a compulsion and addiction but it's not a disease, you catch diseases”

Seems to me that Chloe's greatest need is attention, not alcohol. The trigger may not be emotional situations in which people enjoy themselves, but rather situations in which others are too busy enjoying themselves to give her attention.
Piipp
20-09-2015
Originally Posted by TTTango:
“There have been lots of recovering alcoholics in the CBB house past and present and also in the jungle. I cannot do names because of the second A in AA, but in each series of CBB there are usually two.
It surprises me that they are allowed in as one of the psychologists on C5, is in recovery. They know who has problems, but they still let them go into a house where there is alcohol on a nightly basis. I believe alcoholism is a disease (you can't catch it, but you cannot catch cancer or heart disease either - but they are still diseases).”

Generally speaking however cancer and heart disease are not self inflicted. Cancer patients don't sit and ask their cells to wildly mutate. Yes, we can all complete actions which made add to the risk (ie smoking) but that is the same with many diseases. Someone who decides, yes, makes a choice, to throw alcohol down their neck; that is not a disease, it is an addiction. It heroine addiction a disease? No. Alcohol is no different.
SegaGamer
20-09-2015
I don't believe Chloe has a problem at all and i think some of the HM's think exactly the same way.

For about 19 days we seen absolutely no evidence that she has a problem with alcohol. She was fine being around alcohol and she was coping fine. All of a sudden she starts saying she can't be around it, utter rubbish.
hisdogspot
20-09-2015
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“I don't believe Chloe has a problem at all and i think some of the HM's think exactly the same way.

For about 19 days we seen absolutely no evidence that she has a problem with alcohol. She was fine being around alcohol and she was coping fine. All of a sudden she starts saying she can't be around it, utter rubbish.”

I agree

I think Chloe is a very ambitious woman, who craves fame

So focussed is she on that quest that she may have decided it was too risky to get p*ssed in there, in case the façade dropped ( and she slipped into a more natural accent )

Then she saw Janice making her speech about how important her sobriety was to her .... and copied it

It's a great ploy in getting extra attention ... and whenever there's a party going on, if necessary, it gives her the opportunity to hog the cameras by putting on a performance

But I'm an old cynic ... what do I know
Flo71
20-09-2015
She has put chasing fame before her recovery. Surely one of things she needs to realise is that her actions have consequences and placing herself in BB house means she will be around people who are drinking.
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