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He probably just wanted to get rid of Farrah, didn't like the way J, F and A were treating Janice in the game and thought this way will guarantee getting rid of Farrah.
Unfortunately he didn't have the balls - who does in that house - to tell Jenna that. |
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He probably just wanted to get rid of Farrah, didn't like the way J, F and A were treating Janice in the game and thought this way will guarantee getting rid of Farrah.
Unfortunately he didn't have the balls - who does in that house - to tell Jenna that. They also have to give stupid reasons for nominating and evicting all the time, so I dont have an issue really with him fibbing about why he picked Janice. I do think it was two fold, to get rid of Farrah, but the claiming it was a selfless act for the dimwit statue was to make himself look good. As I said he admitted he did to get rid of Farrah. |
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His reasons don't matter, he saved the person he wanted to, if he had saved that repulsive, foul mouthed low life Jenna, he would have been more unpopular.
Janice looked surprised to be saved, and is prob chuckling inside that James used her in his game with the excuse that he had, but prob has respect for him because she's playing her own. James can't be blind to this whole fragile Chloe act and must see that she and Steve are in on the biggest game in there (esp as her acting is letting it down). Personally I don't overall mind James playing this tactical game as Big Brother is now a game, but it's just his reasoning about helping Chloe that is somewhat amusing and how selfless he was being, when it was mainly all just to make himself look good. |
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I still can't believe that him choosing Janice has spawned 7 different threads with over 3 pages of replies in most.]
Don't think I've ever seen something on BB blown up so out of proportion. |
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I still can't believe that him choosing Janice has spawned 7 different threads with over 3 pages of replies in most.]
Don't think I've ever seen something on BB blown up so out of proportion.
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I still can't believe that him choosing Janice has spawned 7 different threads with over 3 pages of replies in most.]
Don't think I've ever seen something on BB blown up so out of proportion.
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What gets me with all of this speculation and questioning of motives is this:
Would anyone be still claiming James' principal reason behind all of this was to get rid of Farrah if he'd chosen Bobby? Would anyone be remotely bothered about any of this if he'd chosen Bobby? Would either Jenna or Farrah be even a small part of any discussion about this if James had chosen Bobby? Bobby (in my mind) is the person that might have felt a little aggrieved by James' decision to save Janice (motives questionable but not indefensible). Not Farrah. Not Jenna. However, put yourselves in James' shoes. You have a decision to make - it involves A and B (neither of which is Farrah or Jenna, I may add ).Neither decision will change the overall outcome as if you choose A, someone else will pick B and vice versa. Therefore, you choose the person you think will do you the most good in the public vote. You don't admit this to the house because a) You're fairly popular there and you don't want to queer your pitch with the housemates (no pun intended) and b) You're a bit of a wussy gameplayer (nothing intrinsically wrong with this) and don't want to queer your pitch with the public by admitting it. James (imo) made a decision (quickly) that he thought would do him the most good overall without actually altering anything. I can't blame him for that. |
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Yes he can. He can also play the game as a game.
However, its not for the other people in there, its an act designed to con the audience, to con us, to play up to this nice sympathetic innocent lad persona so he can win. Its also fine he can do that, but it doesnt mean people have to buy it or like it.
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Exactly. James has spent more time hanging out with Austin and Jenna in the series overall (and Janice with Steve and Chloe), but because he's heard the reaction that Farrah and Jenna have got from the crowd and also kept in mind they were sent to the secret room to be made fun of by public and house, he knew it would benefit him more to vote for someone that seemed more liked. You said yourself, picking Jenna would have made him look unpopular, and he knows it would have, so he did the very clever thing of voting the less unliked character (that has also survived eviction) to look better. James likes to think of himself as a clever businessman, so friendship won't get in his way on a gameshow where there is a winner title to be won.
Janice looked surprised to be saved, and is prob chuckling inside that James used her in his game with the excuse that he had, but prob has respect for him because she's playing her own. James can't be blind to this whole fragile Chloe act and must see that she and Steve are in on the biggest game in there (esp as her acting is letting it down). Personally I don't overall mind James playing this tactical game as Big Brother is now a game, but it's just his reasoning about helping Chloe that is somewhat amusing and how selfless he was being, when it was mainly all just to make himself look good. |
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What gets me with all of this speculation and questioning of motives is this:
Would anyone be still claiming James' principal reason behind all of this was to get rid of Farrah if he'd chosen Bobby? Would anyone be remotely bothered about any of this if he'd chosen Bobby? Would either Jenna or Farrah be even a small part of any discussion about this if James had chosen Bobby? Bobby (in my mind) is the person that might have felt a little aggrieved by James' decision to save Janice (motives questionable but not indefensible). Not Farrah. Not Jenna. . But he chose Janice, a woman that he said on live feed that he wanted to go (that noms that scoop left). Chloe and Steve were also up for that vote, but if they had stayed, James then didn't express any bother about the possibility of Chloe remaining in the house without Janice. Then, he wanted her to go, but suddenly on this vote twist he decided that a grown woman that has her (fake) fiancée in there with her also needs a second support in there that has arguable only helped to make Chloe less independent in there. Janice has tried to smother Chloe not help her, how could James think that Chloe needs that. If Bobby had been picked, then I wouldn't have even blinked an eye, and I would have understood him saving Jenna too, but not Janice, esp as at one point he was happy for her to go, even if Chloe was still in. |
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Just blame the woman for everything. That's too easy, Austin is just as manipulative as Jenna.
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I still can't believe that him choosing Janice has spawned 7 different threads with over 3 pages of replies in most.]
Don't think I've ever seen something on BB blown up so out of proportion. People that have watched "The Apprentice" are seeing a completely different James where he was so arrogant and nasty so now are wondering if he is just conning us all! Hence why there are all these threads! No shock really! |
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Exactly. James has spent more time hanging out with Austin and Jenna in the series overall (and Janice with Steve and Chloe), but because he's heard the reaction that Farrah and Jenna have got from the crowd and also kept in mind they were sent to the secret room to be made fun of by public and house, he knew it would benefit him more to vote for someone that seemed more liked. You said yourself, picking Jenna would have made him look unpopular, and he knows it would have, so he did the very clever thing of voting the less unliked character (that has also survived eviction) to look better. James likes to think of himself as a clever businessman, so friendship won't get in his way on a gameshow where there is a winner title to be won.
Janice looked surprised to be saved, and is prob chuckling inside that James used her in his game with the excuse that he had, but prob has respect for him because she's playing her own. James can't be blind to this whole fragile Chloe act and must see that she and Steve are in on the biggest game in there (esp as her acting is letting it down). Personally I don't overall mind James playing this tactical game as Big Brother is now a game, but it's just his reasoning about helping Chloe that is somewhat amusing and how selfless he was being, when it was mainly all just to make himself look good.
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People, or at least people that think like me, were expecting James to pick bobby (or Jenna second), and then none of these discussions would have been happening. I've seen James talking lots to both bobby and Jenna (main show or live feed) and either of those two has would have made perfect sense to me by James if the choice had been made regarding friendship.
But he chose Janice, a woman that he said on live feed that he wanted to go (that noms that scoop left). Chloe and Steve were also up for that vote, but if they had stayed, James then didn't express any bother about the possibility of Chloe remaining in the house without Janice. Then suddenly on this vote twist he de idea that a grown woman that has her fiancée in there also needs a second support in there. If Bobby had been picked, then I wouldn't have even blinked an eye, and I would have u dears took him saving Jenna too, but not Janice, esp as at one point he was happy for her to go, even Chloe was still in. |
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He was a shifty calculating rat on the apprentice.
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They don't. I posted around 15 recent tweets yesterday, none of them supporting him over his looks.
Go on Twitter and you'll find a huge majority don't like him because of his "looks". ) but there are numerous posts on here swooning over James's looks. I think looks are definitely important especially when backed up by him being perceived as a gentleman which I also keep hearing. Quote:
Exactly. James has spent more time hanging out with Austin and Jenna in the series overall (and Janice with Steve and Chloe), but because he's heard the reaction that Farrah and Jenna have got from the crowd and also kept in mind they were sent to the secret room to be made fun of by public and house, he knew it would benefit him more to vote for someone that seemed more liked. You said yourself, picking Jenna would have made him look unpopular, and he knows it would have, so he did the very clever thing of voting the less unliked character (that has also survived eviction) to look better. James likes to think of himself as a clever businessman, so friendship won't get in his way on a gameshow where there is a winner title to be won.
Janice looked surprised to be saved, and is prob chuckling inside that James used her in his game with the excuse that he had, but prob has respect for him because she's playing her own. James can't be blind to this whole fragile Chloe act and must see that she and Steve are in on the biggest game in there (esp as her acting is letting it down). Personally I don't overall mind James playing this tactical game as Big Brother is now a game, but it's just his reasoning about helping Chloe that is somewhat amusing and how selfless he was being, when it was mainly all just to make himself look good. Quote:
People, or at least people that think like me, were expecting James to pick bobby (or Jenna second), and then none of these discussions would have been happening. I've seen James talking lots to both bobby and Jenna (main show or live feed) and either of those two hms would have made perfect sense to me by James if the choice had been made regarding friendship.
But he chose Janice, a woman that he said on live feed that he wanted to go (that noms that scoop left). Chloe and Steve were also up for that vote, but if they had stayed, James then didn't express any bother about the possibility of Chloe remaining in the house without Janice. Then, he wanted her to go, but suddenly on this vote twist he decided that a grown woman that has her (fake) fiancée in there with her also needs a second support in there that has arguable only helped to make Chloe less independent in there. Janice has tried to smother Chloe not help her, how could James think that Chloe needs that. If Bobby had been picked, then I wouldn't have even blinked an eye, and I would have understood him saving Jenna too, but not Janice, esp as at one point he was happy for her to go, even if Chloe was still in. All I'll add is to agree Janice was surprised to be picked and in the diary room afterwards when she was talking about it she appeared to admit that she thought James would pick Jenna because of their late night intellectual conversations ( )I agree that James has in a sense played a blinder and good luck to him BUT he has also exposed himself by his choice and by his reasons for that choice. |
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I think people are just disappointed in James, there is playing the game but I think people thought that James was genuine and now they feel his nomination of Janice was just a massive con for him to look good and it was just too much! So people are now wondering if any of what he has done is for real in the house.
People that have watched "The Apprentice" are seeing a completely different James where he was so arrogant and nasty so now are wondering if he is just conning us all! Hence why there are all these threads! No shock really! James, as with all the others, can be a nice person and play the game in a certain situations, I do not believe that they are mutually exclusive. BB couldn't have made it any clearer on Friday that it's a game show. It was set up as a game show. It was live, a situation that shouted 'sell yourself' to the housemates. I think the problem with some people is that they believed James was perfect, he's shown himself to be a flawed human and perhaps that's not what they wanted from him. For me, he's proven himself time and again in situations in the house - calming (or attempting to calm) Austin, other housemates during conflict, I can't recall him shouting at anybody - he's been measured, friendly, had serious and funny conversations with people. So now he's confronted with a situation where he can try and make himself look good - he didn't really have to do that but I can understand why he would, in some ways. It's not about who he saved but his stupid reason why. It is odd that people can like and defend Farrah despite her many unlikeable traits, that we can like Austin - I do, a lot - despite the fact that he's not perfect, but one or two hints at imperfection from James and suddenly he must have been faking it all the way through? It makes no sense and I think it's what some people have been waiting for all along, one thing to pounce on so say 'see, he really was faking it all along, he's really a manipulative, game-playing liar and everything we've seen so far is a con' when all the evidence so far is to the contrary and he's really just a flawed person like the rest of us who took an opportunity to big himself up, stupidly ![]() He really hasn't had much of an opportunity, or a necessity, to show his competitive side so far in the show, so perhaps it took some people by surprise that he does want to win. Really, though, do you (the general you, that is ) think anybody in there doesn't want to win?
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Just as i predicted last night. People can see how popular he is so they are now coming up with over the top reasons to turn people against him. It happens every series.
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Yes he was.
I'm laughing at all the ' special person in his life ' ( excluding his grandad ) as the reason for picking Chloe. He constantly told Alan Sugar he was just like him and came from the ' streets' and done it all on his own to get to where he was today. Another thing. Why can't he see an argument out? He has to get up and walk away. Then again, he only does it when he's in a tight spot, like he was tonight. His excuse for saving Janice was bizarre. Since when was Chloe 'that poor girl' ?! She's more fake than Jenna and Farrahs body parts put together. |
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I still can't believe that him choosing Janice has spawned 7 different threads with over 3 pages of replies in most.]
Don't think I've ever seen something on BB blown up so out of proportion. ![]() Well done James
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Why all this fuss about why he chose Farrah to go? It was his decision to make, and nobody has had all this post-mortem flack about noms. She is a horrible person anyway and together with her partner-in-crime, ruined every party or bit of fun they had by taking offence at everything while plotting and spouting venom behind everyone's backs. Ding dong the witch is dead - can't wait for the other witches to go, Austin and Jenna that is.
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He is such a crawler.
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Two faces are being shown now.
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I don't like him at all but it was actually a very clever move.
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He is good looking that appears to be key to a lot of the public.
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