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Nesta Robbins
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by diesels hummin:
“He is not to be trusted.”

If anything this shows that James isn't that ruthless - he obviously doesn't realise he's as popular as he is, or else he would have considered this showing him in a bad light.
teresagreen
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by wildpark:
“Austin is an empty head, with an empty life. He fills it with self-righteous shouting. James runs several businesses, and is used to taking account of others feelings. Once he has expressed his opinion he feels no need to endlessly repeat it until such time as Austin gets bored with shouting. Austin (the spoilt brat) leaves no room for compromise. He is a tit.”

Very well said wildpark. Austin doesn't just discuss things and let them drop; he has to keep going on and on and on. It's all about Austin's feelings, no matter that he is an arse who doesn't consider how he hurts other people. Having said that, Janice is all for herself and is not a team player. Her apologies are made only when she is called out on her behaviour so obviously it's just to save herself.
wotnot
21-09-2015
I think James is being extremely tactical which is all good since it is a game after all and as long as he doesn't expect his loyalties to be taken seriously. The unforgiveable was the Janice saving IMO, not because he saved her but his reasons for doing so. Snake.
sheils1
21-09-2015
James sees Austin as his main threat, he seen him being in the top 4 Friday night.
Sasparella
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by wildpark:
“If anything at the beginning I was prejudiced against James, and sympathetic to Austin (who was articulate and fun) but because of the evidence of my eyes and ears I have gradually warmed to James (who has grown up a lot since The Apprentice) and dislike Austin more every day. Austin is a rude and needy bonehead who self-centered and arrogant.”

Exactly how I feel. Austin has also been needling James since Jenna and Farrah came out of the secret bedroom, he's had enough and I'm glad he's nominated him.
yogacats
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“To expand, I posted earlier this evening about how James was now kicking Austin to the kerb now that he's got everything he could out of him. I didn't expect it to be confirmed quite so conclusively quite so quickly.

The bromance served him well and was always going to benefit James more than Austin, But now he's positioned nicely for the final he's more than happy to let Austin struggle and show himself up to be rather too emotional and somewhat immature. It helps, of course, to ease Austin into his meltdown by pulling the friendship-rug out from beneath him, distancing himself with full awareness it's going to leave Austin floundering without anyone else to turn to other than the equally as duplicitous Jenna.

Meanwhile James gets to act all high and mighty. He gets lots of little opportunities to deliver vote-winning speeches about how he's needed mentors in his life, how lovely his grandfather is/was, how he treats everyone with respect (presumably discounting the men he assaulted in that pub) and just smother us all with his lovely fuzzy-wuzzy humility. Hey everyone, he's grown out of Austin now (that he's helped initiate his meltdown), there's your winner folks!

I liked James early on. I thought he seemed measured and a decent sort and the bromance was fun. But the last few days has shown he's really ruthless and more of a gameplayer than anyone I can quite remember in any recent series, quite prepared to throw his friend under a bus to further his own end (and I'm not just talking about the nomination, I include his major part in precipitating the behaviour he now gets to conveniently denounce).

Yes, Austin's been an arse the last few days. But his biggest fault isn't even his hot-headedness. It's that he's been unable to spot that the *biggest* manipulator in there wasn't Janice, wasn't even Jenna, but was the chap closest to him all along.”



That's a very interesting perspective on the situation. I totally disagree on all points - you are obviously watching a different show to the one I am ... oh well.
Pices-55
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“To expand, I posted earlier this evening about how James was now kicking Austin to the kerb now that he's got everything he could out of him. I didn't expect it to be confirmed quite so conclusively quite so quickly.

The bromance served him well and was always going to benefit James more than Austin, But now he's positioned nicely for the final he's more than happy to let Austin struggle and show himself up to be rather too emotional and somewhat immature. It helps, of course, to ease Austin into his meltdown by pulling the friendship-rug out from beneath him, distancing himself with full awareness it's going to leave Austin floundering without anyone else to turn to other than the equally as duplicitous Jenna.

Meanwhile James gets to act all high and mighty. He gets lots of little opportunities to deliver vote-winning speeches about how he's needed mentors in his life, how lovely his grandfather is/was, how he treats everyone with respect (presumably discounting the men he assaulted in that pub) and just smother us all with his lovely fuzzy-wuzzy humility. Hey everyone, he's grown out of Austin now (that he's helped initiate his meltdown), there's your winner folks!

I liked James early on. I thought he seemed measured and a decent sort and the bromance was fun. But the last few days has shown he's really ruthless and more of a gameplayer than anyone I can quite remember in any recent series, quite prepared to throw his friend under a bus to further his own end (and I'm not just talking about the nomination, I include his major part in precipitating the behaviour he now gets to conveniently denounce).

Yes, Austin's been an arse the last few days. But his biggest fault isn't even his hot-headedness. It's that he's been unable to spot that the *biggest* manipulator in there wasn't Janice, wasn't even Jenna, but was the chap closest to him all along.”

I don't agree with much of that summation. I think that James liked Austin and was naturally drawn to him or rather drawn to Austin's fun side ( I have never liked Austin btw) They are of similar age, both fairly confident and within the confines of the house it suited them both to have a special bromance. I think that it has been clear for quite some time that James has had issues with the way that Austin treats and speaks to people and has tried hard to warn him and temper is hot headedness while all the time still being his mate.

The last two weeks Austin has upped his aggression and anger towards other housemates especially Chloe and Janice to levels quite off the scale, he never lets up and holds grudges and worst of all he has now turned his wrath and anger towards James for having the temerity to have a mind of his own. Austin wont't listen and has no wish to learn......he is cosying up with Jenna and she has done a brilliant job of coming in between them and is supporting Austin against James. First of all she tried to get James against Austin but it didn't quite work because although James would tell Austin off he still held out a hand of friendship.

Jenna is the poison in that house and has been all along, she and Austin are ganging up against James and continually questioning him and pushing him to conform to their views and opinions, it won't work because James is strong minded himself and not pliable to what he sees is wrong. I do not think anyone can say hand on heart that James has not been trying to help and temper Austin in that house, he has had many convo's with Austin about how he speaks to others and now Austin has turned on James and thrown his friendship back in his face.

So though I have no problem with James nomming Austin because I think he deserves it and because I cannot stand the guy I do think in terms of BB it is a wrong move. And it is a basic and simple rule that no real ''Gameplayer'' would break, nomming a friend at this stage is a no no and virtually suicide within the game...that is why I do not see him as a gameplayer .....it is real and James must have reached the end of his patience to do it. The only outcome that I can now see is a win for the two headed monster that is Chlovie....Ughhhh maybe that is what the producers have been working towards all along. It dosen't bear thinking about really
Hot Butterfly
21-09-2015
I think the voting public will be with James on this. Austin has shown himself to be backstabbing as well as a spoilt brat in the last week. Regardless of all the ins and outs of their relationship the bottom line surely has to be they fell out and James used his vote against Austin. To my mind the only reason Austin runs puppy dog like back to James is because he fancies him (but gets a knock back and so on to another row etc etc). Maybe the circle has been broken.
Salv*
21-09-2015
Well they are sleeping in bed this morning, but the following tweets suggest that it looks like it was a one way street if Austin is upset

10.18am: For those of you asking, looks like James and Austin are still sharing a bed, despite the drama. #BBUKLive

Big Brother Live ‏@BBUKLive · 9m9 minutes ago
10.53am: Despite repeated reminders from Big Brother, James still hasn't got out of bed. #BBUKLive

Big Brother Live ‏@BBUKLive · 5m5 minutes ago
10.57am: Oh, he's emerged. He's trying to make Austin smile. It's not going well. #BBUKlive

Big Brother Live ‏@BBUKLive · 54s54 seconds ago
11.03am: Austin is not ready to forgive and forget. He says he feels like James kicked him "in the nuts." #BBUKlive


James what have you done
lizm
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“I don't agree with much of that summation. I think that James liked Austin and was naturally drawn to him or rather drawn to Austin's fun side ( I have never liked Austin btw) They are of similar age, both fairly confident and within the confines of the house it suited them both to have a special bromance. I think that it has been clear for quite some time that James has had issues with the way that Austin treats and speaks to people and has tried hard to warn him and temper is hot headedness while all the time still being his mate.

The last two weeks Austin has upped his aggression and anger towards other housemates especially Chloe and Janice to levels quite off the scale, he never lets up and holds grudges and worst of all he has now turned his wrath and anger towards James for having the temerity to have a mind of his own. Austin wont't listen and has no wish to learn......he is cosying up with Jenna and she has done a brilliant job of coming in between them and is supporting Austin against James. First of all she tried to get James against Austin but it didn't quite work because although James would tell Austin off he still held out a hand of friendship.

Jenna is the poison in that house and has been all along, she and Austin are ganging up against James and continually questioning him and pushing him to conform to their views and opinions, it won't work because James is strong minded himself and not pliable to what he sees is wrong. I do not think anyone can say hand on heart that James has not been trying to help and temper Austin in that house, he has had many convo's with Austin about how he speaks to others and now Austin has turned on James and thrown his friendship back in his face.

So though I have no problem with James nomming Austin because I think he deserves it and because I cannot stand the guy I do think in terms of BB it is a wrong move. And it is a basic and simple rule that no real ''Gameplayer'' would break, nomming a friend at this stage is a no no and virtually suicide within the game...that is why I do not see him as a gameplayer .....it is real and James must have reached the end of his patience to do it. The only outcome that I can now see is a win for the two headed monster that is Chlovie....Ughhhh maybe that is what the producers have been working towards all along. It dosen't bear thinking about really”

Good post - Exactly how I see the situation but I think James could still win... James did say to Austin 'they don't really know each other properly' he could be forgiven by the public for acting on Austin's vile behaviour. I really don't understand people turning on James calling him a snake.. There is nothing two faced or wrong with what he did.. If I see the true colours of a 'friend' & don't like specific actions/ behaviour I wouldn't have a problem dropping them as a friend. Isn't that normal?
roseblue1
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by lizm:
“Good post - Exactly how I see the situation but I think James could still win... James did say to Austin 'they don't really know each other properly' he could be forgiven by the public for acting on Austin's vile behaviour. I really don't understand people turning on James calling him a snake.. There is nothing two faced or wrong with what he did.. If I see the true colours of a 'friend' & don't like specific actions/ behaviour I wouldn't have a problem dropping them as a friend. Isn't that normal?”

I agree...Austin has been vile these last few days to James...and what we have to remember is that it is Brits v USA.
roseblue1
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Well they are sleeping in bed this morning, but the following tweets suggest that it looks like it was a one way street if Austin is upset

10.18am: For those of you asking, looks like James and Austin are still sharing a bed, despite the drama. #BBUKLive

Big Brother Live ‏@BBUKLive · 9m9 minutes ago
10.53am: Despite repeated reminders from Big Brother, James still hasn't got out of bed. #BBUKLive

Big Brother Live ‏@BBUKLive · 5m5 minutes ago
10.57am: Oh, he's emerged. He's trying to make Austin smile. It's not going well. #BBUKlive

Big Brother Live ‏@BBUKLive · 54s54 seconds ago
11.03am: Austin is not ready to forgive and forget. He says he feels like James kicked him "in the nuts." #BBUKlive


James what have you done ”

Voted for Austin thank goodness.
lynzee
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by Helen90:
“I know it's pathetic, but I'm really sad their friendship is practically coming to an end They seemed to genuinely get each other, and have way more chemistry than Stevi and Chloe will ever have. I do think they'll make up at some point, whether it's in the house or outside.”

Personally I think the friendship was genuine on Austin's part but James was pure game play to get to the end. Now he no longer needs Austin. It is a pity because I enjoyed their friendship and thought, up until now, it was genuine on both sides.
Tiffani
21-09-2015
The difference between Austin and James is that Austin genuinely liked James and believed they would be friends outside the show where as James was just using Austin for a storyline and probably won't see him again after this.
Salv*
21-09-2015
I really do think the friendship was genuine on both sides, but James has told Austin around 7 times in the last week to cool it.

- When he had a go at Chloe and Bobby
- When he was talking to Jenna about his behaviour towards Janice
- When he told Austin that his behaviour towards Janice is OTT
- 2 nights ago, end of the world task with Janice, when James was talking to Austin, Jenna and Farrah.
- The Letter task shown on the HLs despite James agreeing with Austin.
- And whatever happened last night

That's off the top of my head.

I do think James does like Austin, but tripped up severely by nomming him, and don't think you can come back from that.

You can tell that this morning on the tweets, James feels really bad and I think he knows he effed up the friendship. We will see how it pans out, but I hope all goes well.
Pices-55
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by Tiffani:
“The difference between Austin and James is that Austin genuinely liked James and believed they would be friends outside the show where as James was just using Austin for a storyline and probably won't see him again after this.”

There is a reason why Austin has no friends, or was it only one? Austin is the user.....if you don't agree with him and hold the same views he will harrass and torture you verbally until you either give in or tell him to eff off. He is a nightmare, aggressive, petulant,self absorbed and controlling with a nasty mouth.............what's to like?
Wainy84
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“To expand, I posted earlier this evening about how James was now kicking Austin to the kerb now that he's got everything he could out of him. I didn't expect it to be confirmed quite so conclusively quite so quickly.

The bromance served him well and was always going to benefit James more than Austin, But now he's positioned nicely for the final he's more than happy to let Austin struggle and show himself up to be rather too emotional and somewhat immature. It helps, of course, to ease Austin into his meltdown by pulling the friendship-rug out from beneath him, distancing himself with full awareness it's going to leave Austin floundering without anyone else to turn to other than the equally as duplicitous Jenna.

Meanwhile James gets to act all high and mighty. He gets lots of little opportunities to deliver vote-winning speeches about how he's needed mentors in his life, how lovely his grandfather is/was, how he treats everyone with respect (presumably discounting the men he assaulted in that pub) and just smother us all with his lovely fuzzy-wuzzy humility. Hey everyone, he's grown out of Austin now (that he's helped initiate his meltdown), there's your winner folks!

I liked James early on. I thought he seemed measured and a decent sort and the bromance was fun. But the last few days has shown he's really ruthless and more of a gameplayer than anyone I can quite remember in any recent series, quite prepared to throw his friend under a bus to further his own end (and I'm not just talking about the nomination, I include his major part in precipitating the behaviour he now gets to conveniently denounce).

Yes, Austin's been an arse the last few days. But his biggest fault isn't even his hot-headedness. It's that he's been unable to spot that the *biggest* manipulator in there wasn't Janice, wasn't even Jenna, but was the chap closest to him all along.”

Great Post.
yogacats
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by blue_angel:
“We're not confusing it with 'real life', but the whole original point of BB was as a experiment into people's characters, their reaction and actions when in an intense environment. It was a social experiment. That's how I see it still, even if it has gone off the beaten path. This whole isolated concept breeds familiarity quickly. I'm not saying anyone becomes BFF's forever, but you have to look at the house as an isolated bubble. All the housemates in there do. In real life you'd never start a screaming match over someone drinking a class of wine, but in there it's intensified. That's the whole beauty of it. So within that isolated bubble, yes James and Austin were friends.

Don't spoil our fun ”

Yep - I take that on board. You make some very good points there.
yogacats
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“I don't agree with much of that summation. I think that James liked Austin and was naturally drawn to him or rather drawn to Austin's fun side ( I have never liked Austin btw) They are of similar age, both fairly confident and within the confines of the house it suited them both to have a special bromance. I think that it has been clear for quite some time that James has had issues with the way that Austin treats and speaks to people and has tried hard to warn him and temper is hot headedness while all the time still being his mate.

The last two weeks Austin has upped his aggression and anger towards other housemates especially Chloe and Janice to levels quite off the scale, he never lets up and holds grudges and worst of all he has now turned his wrath and anger towards James for having the temerity to have a mind of his own. Austin wont't listen and has no wish to learn......he is cosying up with Jenna and she has done a brilliant job of coming in between them and is supporting Austin against James. First of all she tried to get James against Austin but it didn't quite work because although James would tell Austin off he still held out a hand of friendship.

Jenna is the poison in that house and has been all along, she and Austin are ganging up against James and continually questioning him and pushing him to conform to their views and opinions, it won't work because James is strong minded himself and not pliable to what he sees is wrong. I do not think anyone can say hand on heart that James has not been trying to help and temper Austin in that house, he has had many convo's with Austin about how he speaks to others and now Austin has turned on James and thrown his friendship back in his face.

So though I have no problem with James nomming Austin because I think he deserves it and because I cannot stand the guy I do think in terms of BB it is a wrong move. And it is a basic and simple rule that no real ''Gameplayer'' would break, nomming a friend at this stage is a no no and virtually suicide within the game...that is why I do not see him as a gameplayer .....it is real and James must have reached the end of his patience to do it. The only outcome that I can now see is a win for the two headed monster that is Chlovie....Ughhhh maybe that is what the producers have been working towards all along. It dosen't bear thinking about really”



Yep - THAT is the same show I'be been watching.
yogacats
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by lizm:
“Good post - Exactly how I see the situation but I think James could still win... James did say to Austin 'they don't really know each other properly' he could be forgiven by the public for acting on Austin's vile behaviour. I really don't understand people turning on James calling him a snake.. There is nothing two faced or wrong with what he did.. If I see the true colours of a 'friend' & don't like specific actions/ behaviour I wouldn't have a problem dropping them as a friend. Isn't that normal?”

Yes, course it is.
Salv*
21-09-2015
12.40pm: Austin has gone back to bed. We do NOT approve

Austin doing this will only make James look worse. I wonder what today brings.

I knew that the twitter feed was being too quiet yesterday, they only keep things shush when something big has gone down and it didn't make any sense that the twitter feed went very quiet all day.
Pices-55
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“12.40pm: Austin has gone back to bed. We do NOT approve

Austin doing this will only make James look worse. I wonder what today brings.

I knew that the twitter feed was being too quiet yesterday, they only keep things shush when something big has gone down and it didn't make any sense that the twitter feed went very quiet all day.”

Austin doing this make him look like a 2 year old, he needs to man up and accept responsibility for his behaviour towards James. If he had not turned coat and ganged up against James with Jenna then this would not be happening, I am happy that James nommed Austin as it might be the reality check that Austin sorely needs.
Salv*
21-09-2015
James is getting ripped to shreds on Twitter. Called a snake, a backstabber, he's been using Austin etc...

No matter what, tonight will make James look like the villain despite whatever reason.

It's like Faye nominating Aaron all over again, someone who she was in a relationship with in the house. I remember the outrage, I think she did it more than once too!
TheMatrix
21-09-2015
The keep your friends close and your enemies closer as James said will have lost him votes along with picking Austin. he has played the wrong card at the wrong time.

His game plan was on public view. Vote Janice then pretend to stick up for her, same with Chloe. If they get evicted before James in the final it was to pick up their votes and stop them putting him up for noms. He knew Austin would have a go at Janice giving him the chance to get rid of Austin again looking like he cared for Janice , this opened the door for him to vote for Austin. This is why he could not explain why he had picked Janice in a way Jenna understood . Add into that a straight man that didn't mind sharing .
his bed with a gay man to pick up that vote which he needs to come out the winner.

His explanation of Jenna and Austin ganging up on him didn't wash either, they just asked him to explain and he couldn't say it was a game so walked away.

It is a game , but it shows the length James will go to in order to win. I would love BB to show them all ,James saying keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

James I felt had it in the bag but he may have passed that to Natasha or Austin
maureens
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by Tiffani:
“The difference between Austin and James is that Austin genuinely liked James and believed they would be friends outside the show where as James was just using Austin for a storyline and probably won't see him again after this.”

I loved those two together and i know it is silly but im really sad the last few days their friendship/relationship seems to have broken down... one thing i did pick up on just by that clip is Austin genuinly seemed distraught that James nominated him, he was sobbing, i think there are feeling there, , was the nominations showed to the house,for him to know?
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