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Old 30-10-2015, 12:51
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Adding U2, Prince, Stevie Wonder and ZZ Top in the 2nd half hour, Radio X reaching out beyond its core indie artists and sounding much better for it.

I can hardly see the playing of those artists are going to make their indie audience run away screaming yet it will broaden their appeal and attract new listeners. Unfortunately doing this for 1 hour a week won't make much difference they need to drop these type of artists in occasionally during all the other shows.
They can't win then. If they were to drop these in during all other shows, the Platinum Hour would have nothing special about it.
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Old 30-10-2015, 13:00
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Sorry to say that Chris Moyes is getting on my nerves already though I accept that he has livened up the place. I really think he one of those 'marmite' radio presenter.
The awful music he plays just adds to the marmite effect. I am sure the old XFM crowd like it but to the mainstream its probably not to taste.
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Old 30-10-2015, 13:31
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They can't win then. If they were to drop these in during all other shows, the Platinum Hour would have nothing special about it.
Surely how they program the music for the other 167 hours of the week will have a much bigger impact on listeners than protecting 1 hour a week.
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Old 30-10-2015, 13:32
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Adding U2, Prince, Stevie Wonder and ZZ Top in the 2nd half hour, Radio X reaching out beyond its core indie artists and sounding much better for it.

I can hardly see the playing of those artists are going to make their indie audience run away screaming yet it will broaden their appeal and attract new listeners. Unfortunately doing this for 1 hour a week won't make much difference they need to drop these type of artists in occasionally during all the other shows.
You are funny.

Do you really think it's an audience revolution to play the odd well worn song from an established artist?

Global has never made a proper success of Xfm because it doesn't understand the nature of it's potential audience. I will never forget my conversation with Richard Park (I'd written to him telling him to keep his filthy mitts off my radio station - and he called me up at work. They said "It's Richard from Capital Radio for you"!! I appreciated the gesture, but everything he said was rubbish). His exact words were "we're going to format this new music, and I guarantee you'll love it". "New music" . I suppose to him, it was.

Global have one modus operandi - it's to test and test again. Never do anything that might un-nerve it's audience even for a second. Never take the slightest risk. Endlessly repeat a very small number of songs. This obviously works for Heart and Capital, but simply does not for lovers of independent music. You seem to think there's a vast chunk of folk who only like music if there's a guitar in it, and then only one type of guitar. I'm sure to those immersed in the world of Buble and Mars, The Vaccines are the very epitome of cutting edge guitar music, when in fact, they're as dreary meat-and-two-veg as you can get short of The Stereophonics. The morph into Radio X makes perfect sense at Leicester Sq. They never understood the genre, they never liked the genre. They were corporate types who bought a station run by people who loved music, thinking they could lobotomise it and make a pile of money. It failed in relative terms, so they are much more comfortable with an Absolute clone.

Nope, Xfm had no cred whatsoever under Global. It was a laughing stock amongst the festival crowd. Radio 1 was far cooler, and remains far cooler. And still plays more genuinely new music than anything on any commercial station, despite its core CHR mode. Despite all the blanding out, the sanitisation, the repetition and Park's bloody formatting, Global never managed to grow its London audience significantly from that it was achieving when one year old, independent, and playing scratchy, obscure, exciting music.

Playing a Stevie Wonder song will not scare off its "indie" audience. 6Music plays loads of Stevie Wonder. What does scare off a large potential audience is its predictability and sheer dullness.
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Old 30-10-2015, 14:02
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You are funny.

Do you really think it's an audience revolution to play the odd well worn song from an established artist?

Global has never made a proper success of Xfm because it doesn't understand the nature of it's potential audience. I will never forget my conversation with Richard Park (I'd written to him telling him to keep his filthy mitts off my radio station - and he called me up at work. They said "It's Richard from Capital Radio for you"!! I appreciated the gesture, but everything he said was rubbish). His exact words were "we're going to format this new music, and I guarantee you'll love it". "New music" . I suppose to him, it was.

Global have one modus operandi - it's to test and test again. Never do anything that might un-nerve it's audience even for a second. Never take the slightest risk. Endlessly repeat a very small number of songs. This obviously works for Heart and Capital, but simply does not for lovers of independent music. You seem to think there's a vast chunk of folk who only like music if there's a guitar in it, and then only one type of guitar. I'm sure to those immersed in the world of Buble and Mars, The Vaccines are the very epitome of cutting edge guitar music, when in fact, they're as dreary meat-and-two-veg as you can get short of The Stereophonics. The morph into Radio X makes perfect sense at Leicester Sq. They never understood the genre, they never liked the genre. They were corporate types who bought a station run by people who loved music, thinking they could lobotomise it and make a pile of money. It failed in relative terms, so they are much more comfortable with an Absolute clone.

Nope, Xfm had no cred whatsoever under Global. It was a laughing stock amongst the festival crowd. Radio 1 was far cooler, and remains far cooler. And still plays more genuinely new music than anything on any commercial station, despite its core CHR mode. Despite all the blanding out, the sanitisation, the repetition and Park's bloody formatting, Global never managed to grow its London audience significantly from that it was achieving when one year old, independent, and playing scratchy, obscure, exciting music.

Playing a Stevie Wonder song will not scare off its "indie" audience. 6Music plays loads of Stevie Wonder. What does scare off a large potential audience is its predictability and sheer dullness.
Hardly an Absolute Clone, Absolute plays a much wider variety of music than Radio X.
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Old 30-10-2015, 14:06
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Hardly an Absolute Clone, Absolute plays a much wider variety of music than Radio X.
Ok. An Absolute clone with a smaller playlist.

That do you?
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Old 30-10-2015, 15:20
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Ok. An Absolute clone with a smaller playlist.

That do you?
Radio X shares 32% of it's playlist with Absolute Radio
Absolute Radio shares 24% of it's playlist with Radio X

So no as the majority of tracks on both stations aren't played on the other they are hardly clones, sharing less that a third of the tracks they play.

I don't expect Queen, Credence Clearwater revival, Dire Straits, the Police or Crowded House in Radio X in the same way I wouldn't expect the Prodigy, Fat Boy Slim or Libertines on Absolute radio.
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Old 30-10-2015, 16:40
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Radio X shares 32% of it's playlist with Absolute Radio
Absolute Radio shares 24% of it's playlist with Radio X

So no as the majority of tracks on both stations aren't played on the other they are hardly clones, sharing less that a third of the tracks they play.

I don't expect Queen, Credence Clearwater revival, Dire Straits, the Police or Crowded House in Radio X in the same way I wouldn't expect the Prodigy, Fat Boy Slim or Libertines on Absolute radio.
Oh Lord, do you have to be so literal about it?

I'm not interested in percentages - the fact is that they've shifted Xfm in the direction of Absolute, or something like Absolute. Xfm played a narrow range of well trodden guitar band tunes. X plays a narrow range of well trodden guitar band tunes, plus a few old standards. I have dipped in a couple of times just being curious - and heard The Who on both occasions (same song,natch).

What is absolutely guaranteed is if I listened to X for a whole day, I wouldn't hear anything I haven't heard before. And probably a thousand times.

This is why the station is an epic fail. I do not wish to inhabit Musical Groundhog Day. I crave new music, as do over 2 million folk who listen to 6M. On checking my phone, I've downloaded 319 individual tracks, almost every one having heard on the country's finest radio station. I doubt even 10% have been played on Xfm, or X or whatever crap name it's called this week.
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Old 30-10-2015, 17:06
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Oh Lord, do you have to be so literal about it?

I'm not interested in percentages - the fact is that they've shifted Xfm in the direction of Absolute, or something like Absolute. Xfm played a narrow range of well trodden guitar band tunes. X plays a narrow range of well trodden guitar band tunes, plus a few old standards. I have dipped in a couple of times just being curious - and heard The Who on both occasions (same song,natch).

What is absolutely guaranteed is if I listened to X for a whole day, I wouldn't hear anything I haven't heard before. And probably a thousand times.

This is why the station is an epic fail. I do not wish to inhabit Musical Groundhog Day. I crave new music, as do over 2 million folk who listen to 6M. On checking my phone, I've downloaded 319 individual tracks, almost every one having heard on the country's finest radio station. I doubt even 10% have been played on Xfm, or X or whatever crap name it's called this week.
So 6Music fulfills your needs, Radio X are never going to be able to compete with them they are offering an alternative to 6 Music a mix of more familiar indie/fresh rock covering both new stuff and classics, plus engaging conversation from the likes of Moyles, Jon Holmes and Johnny Vaughn.
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Old 30-10-2015, 17:12
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So 6Music fulfills your needs, Radio X are never going to be able to compete with them they are offering an alternative to 6 Music a mix of more familiar indie/fresh rock covering both new stuff and classics, plus engaging conversation from the likes of Moyles, Jon Holmes and Johnny Vaughn.
So let's compare Radio X and 6Music;

Radio X shares 25% of it's playlist with BBC 6 Music
BBC 6 Music shares 6% of it's playlist with Radio X

So actually X is playing 75% of music that 6 Music doesn't so there is quite a lot you'll not hear on 6 but will on X. Clearly 6 plays a much wider range of stuff.

But actually a lot of the most played on 6, new stuff by Libertines, Suede, Blur and Macabees is also played by X but not Absolute. So I feel it's unfair just to lump X in with Absolute, X is much more about new music and shares some of the new stuff it plays with 6 but has a much narrower genre of what it plays. 6 is much more than just indie/rock.
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Old 30-10-2015, 17:15
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But time to criticise Radio X, some songs get far too much play how can it possibly be necessary to play that SOB song so much, I liked it at first but must have hear it 100 times now and I'm just bored of it.

Think Moyles said he liked it after he heard it once in his 1st week, so they play it loads as they obviously thinks it chimes with his audience, bet he regrets saying that now, he should ban it from his show at least!
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Old 30-10-2015, 17:40
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I'm quite liking the tracks they're playing, it's not the sort of music I would of usually listened to by choice as usually it's just the normal chart stuff that you hear on the likes of Heart & Radio 1.
I've even downloaded the odd album because of what I've heard lately.
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Old 30-10-2015, 17:42
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There is no point moaning about the repetition on Radio X, you're wasting time and energy with it. Every single radio station Global owns is repetitive, a few radio anoraks on this forum won't change this nor will Chris Moyles.

LBC even has repetition and they don't play music, they discuss the same topics 2-5 times per day.

Chill Radio & The Arrow have a hundred or so tracks going round and around, in some cases the music cycle hasn't changed in years.

Heart and Capital repetition
Gold repetition
Smooth repetition
Classic Fm repetition
Radio X repetition

The robots who listen to these stations continue to listen and sadly the listeners just keep on going up.

Every presenter on every Global Station sound the same with a slight exception of Moyles and Global won't take any crap from him.

So the endless moaning is falling on deaf ears.

I listen for Moyles not for the music.

The rest of the time is spent happily listening to proper music variety online, if more people did this the listeners would go down for Global and changes potentially will be made, this isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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Old 30-10-2015, 17:48
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There is no point moaning about the repetition on Radio X, you're wasting time and energy with it. Every single radio station Global owns is repetitive, a few radio anoraks on this forum won't change this nor will Chris Moyles.

LBC even has repetition and they don't play music, they discuss the same topics 2-5 times per day.

Chill Radio & The Arrow has a hundred or so tracks going round and around, in some cases the music cycle hasn't changed in years.

Heart and Capital repetition
Gold repetition
Smooth repetition
Classic Fm repetition
Radio X repetition

The robots who listen to these stations continue to listen and sadly the listeners just keep on going up.

So the endless moaning is falling on deaf ears.
The robots to which you refer are normal folk who listen on average for no more than 10 hours a week, in some cases much less. This is why small rotations of songs work. You get familiar songs and faves every time you tune in. Regular punters really don't care and they're the ones Global want to reach.
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Old 30-10-2015, 18:58
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It does seem that The Arrow hasn't changed its playlist in years certainly. Puts "repetition" of Radio X into context.
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Old 30-10-2015, 20:06
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If I hear SOB by that Nathaniel fella one more time I'm gonna scream!
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Old 30-10-2015, 20:33
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If I hear SOB by that Nathaniel fella one more time I'm gonna scream!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iAYhQsQhSY
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Old 30-10-2015, 22:30
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Jeez, are they hammering that crap? Not to be heard on 6M

They are, according to the playlist, playing the fab "Spit it out"/Maccabees, so that's one good thing.

6M playlist is very good at the moment. Lots of great stuff that would add some genuine variety and spice to X if they had the nous.
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Old 30-10-2015, 22:41
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So 6Music fulfills your needs, Radio X are never going to be able to compete with them they are offering an alternative to 6 Music a mix of more familiar indie/fresh rock covering both new stuff and classics, plus engaging conversation from the likes of Moyles, Jon Holmes and Johnny Vaughn.


You know, I'd take you a little more seriously if you didn't speak like a press release. "Engaging conversation".

LOL

I can promise you, none of those "engage" me. Holmes is embarrassingly try-too-hard, and is as funny as a burning orphanage on The Now Show. Which is why he blends in so well on it. I swear he and Richard Hammond are the same person. Same height, anyhow. Vaughan is an end-of-the-pier act. Moyles is and uncouth an offensive oaf who is 10th as funny as he thinks he is. Forever the poor man's Evans. Those saying he demands a larger audience obviously didn't follow his attempt at a v-blogger. He ought to be happy on Hospital Radio Spalding, after how many people watched that.

Now, Keavney and RadMac are in a different league. And they truly love music.
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Old 30-10-2015, 23:10
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There is no point moaning about the repetition on Radio X, you're wasting time and energy with it. Every single radio station Global owns is repetitive, a few radio anoraks on this forum won't change this nor will Chris Moyles.

LBC even has repetition and they don't play music, they discuss the same topics 2-5 times per day.

Chill Radio & The Arrow have a hundred or so tracks going round and around, in some cases the music cycle hasn't changed in years.

Heart and Capital repetition
Gold repetition
Smooth repetition
Classic Fm repetition
Radio X repetition

The robots who listen to these stations continue to listen and sadly the listeners just keep on going up.

Every presenter on every Global Station sound the same with a slight exception of Moyles and Global won't take any crap from him.

So the endless moaning is falling on deaf ears.

I listen for Moyles not for the music.

The rest of the time is spent happily listening to proper music variety online, if more people did this the listeners would go down for Global and changes potentially will be made, this isn't going to happen anytime soon.
You are completely and utterly right. Of course no amount of moaning makes the slightest difference to Ashley and crew. Not only do all the presenters sound the same, they actually talk like that in real life. All commercial radio presenters do, and I've met a lot. Even had blind dates with a couple years back (days before t'interweb) with hilarious consequences

Helps to vent the frustration however, puncture the little bubble of industry folk and the wannabees, occasionally.

A moment's thought should be given to people with functioning faculties, who have to work in environments where Global stations are played as background. It must be hell on earth. A dear friend of mine recently gave up a job in a print design office in Brighton because they had Xfm/X on all day because she simply couldn't stand it any more.
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Old 30-10-2015, 23:27
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You know, I'd take you a little more seriously if you didn't speak like a press release. "Engaging conversation".

LOL

I can promise you, none of those "engage" me. Holmes is embarrassingly try-too-hard, and is as funny as a burning orphanage on The Now Show. Which is why he blends in so well on it. I swear he and Richard Hammond are the same person. Same height, anyhow. Vaughan is an end-of-the-pier act. Moyles is and uncouth an offensive oaf who is 10th as funny as he thinks he is. Forever the poor man's Evans. Those saying he demands a larger audience obviously didn't follow his attempt at a v-blogger. He ought to be happy on Hospital Radio Spalding, after how many people watched that.

Now, Keavney and RadMac are in a different league. And they truly love music.
If you dislike Chris Moyles so much, why are you still hanging around this thread?
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Old 31-10-2015, 00:53
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Now, Keavney and RadMac are in a different league. And they truly love music.
Keavney is awful. He is like a bloke down the pub who tries to do impressions and fails miserably. He really needs a team around him to tell him he isn't funny.
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Old 31-10-2015, 10:08
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Moyles does repeat links yes. Usually what is said in the first 40 minutes will be repeated around the 9am mark, however, this depends on a few things;

Listener engagement via social media, if they receive lots of general interest or positive social media feedback they will repeat the link. During the show dull Dave and Pipper are continuously monitoring listener interaction to the show.

Some will disagree with me here but I am aware from a reliable source Moyles continuously watches this forum (probably due to his radio anorak side) but more importantly he does act on feedback positively.

One example was the negative feedback from the TELL DOM to do things after the news which has now been dropped. Once Moyles proves himself in the next round of RAJAR figures in Feb and the DAB ones in May, we'll be hearing a few changes with Global and Moyles.

Chris becomes bored with things very easily I guess it's his creative side coming out. I also have a sneaky feeling that we might be hearing Moyles & Dom on LBC very soon and trying out some stand-in shows.
If he does read this thread please chris play the likes of coldplay Keane the feeling etc and some alternative dance which seems to be getting less and less since he relaunch.
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Old 31-10-2015, 10:48
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There is no point moaning about the repetition on Radio X, you're wasting time and energy with it. Every single radio station Global owns is repetitive, a few radio anoraks on this forum won't change this nor will Chris Moyles.

LBC even has repetition and they don't play music, they discuss the same topics 2-5 times per day.

Chill Radio & The Arrow have a hundred or so tracks going round and around, in some cases the music cycle hasn't changed in years.

Heart and Capital repetition
Gold repetition
Smooth repetition
Classic Fm repetition
Radio X repetition

The robots who listen to these stations continue to listen and sadly the listeners just keep on going up.

Every presenter on every Global Station sound the same with a slight exception of Moyles and Global won't take any crap from him.

So the endless moaning is falling on deaf ears.

I listen for Moyles not for the music.

The rest of the time is spent happily listening to proper music variety online, if more people did this the listeners would go down for Global and changes potentially will be made, this isn't going to happen anytime soon.

What an excellent post and if Moyles doesn't get good ratings I am sure Global will clip his wings.
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Old 31-10-2015, 14:31
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Keavney is awful. He is like a bloke down the pub who tries to do impressions and fails miserably. He really needs a team around him to tell him he isn't funny.
No, Keavney is the bloke down the brasserie who is quietly funny and doesn't shout everyone down. Moyles is the classic pub bore bully. He problem is that he IS surrounded by sycophants who tell him he's funny.

Then again, it's all down to taste.
If you dislike Chris Moyles so much, why are you still hanging around this thread?
Because it's a free country and my opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

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