You're quite right [and I don't want to be actively and deliberately spoiled by some numpty posting 'OMFG ZOMBE DARLYZ JUST FRENCH KISSED ZOMBE RICK!!1!' without putting it in tags any more than you do], but we're now getting to the ridiculous stage where spoilers and even speculation put in tags is being frowned upon by some in the thread, and the mods are now jumping on that too when it's brought to their attention. If something is hidden by spoiler tags people are under no obligation to read it, so I really don't see the problem people seem to be having with them.

And I did think Versailles' comments on that were quite funny, actually

PS: Zombie Daryl Kissing Zombie Rick is neither a spoiler nor speculation, it's just a fevered erotic imagining on my part, or something.

! NSFW !

Well actually all I will say to you is this LOL with a capital LOL !

It's just a matter of common sense really, and you know what they say about that. I do get the thing that saying what you feel about something can be classed as a sort of spoiler because if I knew what happened and then came in and said YEAH IT'S WELL SHOCKING you lot are going to go mental!!!, or nah it's a right load of bullshyte, then it's guiding expectations, as well as being really smug and annoying. But no one has done that anyway as far as I can see.

On the other hand there are many things which are technically spoilers but which become such common knowledge that it's redundant - Jeffrey Dean Morgan being cast as Negan for example, reported on the front page of this very website in November. Yet still some have tried to make out that confirming the existence of the character called Negan is some sort of mega spoiler thanks for ruining it dick head, or something, it's nonsense.

I've just caught up by watching Series 5 and 6 over two or three days.
Just watched the most recent episode of Series 6 a few hours ago.
Fantastic series.

It has to be said though...Rick and his stupid plans.
Rick has probably got more people killed than anyone or anything else by getting them to agree to go along with his plans.

But what a great development. So Rick is now basically the Governor from Series 3.
In more than one episode he's spoken about taking property and resources from other people. Literally just taking them. And his ruthless kill without hesitation to minimize risk policy is exactly what The Governor would do.

It was very interesting to see that the 'evil' Negan captors of Maggie and Carol were essentially female versions of Rick, Darryl, and Glenn. Did anybody else notice that similarity? They too said to Carol "You're not the good guys".
And they were right. Rick has effectively got his group to agree to literally murder another group without investigating this group further and just on the say so of another group simply for the sake of a convenient deal.

When you think about it Jessie's little spoilt brat son Ron was completely right to pull the gun on Rick and try to kill him.
Rick had just wiped out his entire family. His father from the end of the previous series, his mum Jessie, and his little Brother Sam.
Rick promised them all that his meat suit plan would work.
Rick is like the angel of death himself. He's like a death magnet where if you get too close to him or follow his plans there's a good chance you'll end up dead somehow.

I know that I'm late to the party here in this thread, but I realise that I'm in a minority when I say that it was really saddening to see Jessie die. I thought she was being set up as a main character as she was stronger than all the other Alexandrians. It was heart wrenching for me to see the little boy die like that and Jessie simply not being able to help herself to not react to that. It would be so natural for a mother. Also that scene showed Andrew Lincoln knock it out of the park when he tried to restrain his emotion as he got little mini flashbacks of Jessie thinking of what could have been for him, then he has to chop her hand off to detach himself from her. Utterly tragic.
But great television.

Then when little shit Ron tried to quite rightly kill Rick Michonne skewers him with her sword, then when Carl turns around with his eye missing as Ron fires a shot off I might be the only person who thought this but I actually thought it was a little dream sequence that Rick was imagining and then it would all go back to normal.
It was that extreme I thought it was a dream sequence.

It was quite a stunning episode overall.
Again I apologise for posting about this episode so late on, but I had to give it a mention.

It certainly had an element of cheese to some of it. But that's not always a bad thing. It just depends on the episode and whether it is just after a dull spell or not.

This episode also appears to have been the start of Carol's change of character when she saw the Wolf guy save Denise's life as she shot him, and then possibly suddenly realised that Morgan's ideology that every and any life is precious might be correct after all.

Although I thought it was a hugely entertaining episode, if entertaining is the right word considering some of the content, I think he was right.
The Anderson's deaths were meaningless to Rick as it didn't affect him or anyone else in the slightest in the following episodes.

In fact I think that although the show is very good in many ways, this is a criticism I've seen some make which I think holds true with several deaths in the series recently.
Maybe there are simply too many characters to devote enough quality time to them?

Without their deaths we wouldn't have had Carl shot in the eye.

Not specific, but vague comic spoilers

I'm not sure why Carl being shot in the eye is relevant to my point. My point was that the deaths of the characters themselves didn't impact emotionally on any of the other characters.
I don't think that's a good reason to create characters for in itself. Just so that they serve an objective for Carl to be shot in the eye.

Agree with this as do everyone who I discuss the show with. I liked Jessie a lot and thought her a great partner for Rick. Her quick exit seemed meaningless especially with Rick hooking up with Michonne shortly after - in terms of episodes. I didn't mind the death of the younger son as he was clearly disturbed and a liability. I was sad to see the elder son killed mainly because he was a good actor and out performed Carl in every scene.

I was really disappointed with the death of Denise as she really added to the show. Would've preferred Tara or Rosita to go as they still, IMO, add nothing to the show and just aren't developed enough to care for.

Without their death Ron wouldn't have tried to shoot Rick. I literally can't go into it properly without revealing comic book events and thus potentially ruining the show for people, but trust me when I say them dying was the start of something.

I think the show is heading in that direction - the eventual building of a new civilisation.

I've just binge watched the entire run from series one right through to the current episode, over the last three weeks. What I notice is a steady trend from the threats being just the zombies and individuals and small family groups through to larger groups of scavengers who just want to survive and to settled groups who are trying to grow and build civilisation again.

Incidentally, I don't think I've heard the word "zombie" mentioned once in the series. It's the obvious term for the walkers but not a single mention?

I think it's very realistic in the way survival would have to be, for a while, after such an apocalypse. It's never been about the walkers. It's all about the extreme human drama and moral dilemmas. How far do you go to survive?

I've thought "our" group has always done the right thing. They've done what they've had to do to protect themselves and, crucially, without taking any pleasure from it. They've tried to build and sometimes tried to help others.

Then they knifed the sleeping saviours in the head in their beds. I know the saviours were (still are) a threat, but they did that basically on the say so of the hilltop people. They should have checked them out more first. They should have given those saviours a choice IMO.

Rick is doing the sorts of thing Shane wanted to do...

I think there'll be a serious price to pay...

You're still not hearing me. I haven't criticised the fact that they died.
I honestly don't have a problem with them dying, I did like Jessie but as I said, that wasn't the point I was making.
My point was that their deaths were meaningless in respect to the emotional impact on other characters. Mainly Rick, who in the next episode onwards didn't give them any thought and promptly jumped into bed with Michonne.

I think it may be because Tara herself is possibly only seen as a secondary character. I haven't read the comics so I don't know if she's a 'red shirt' who's due to die soon or not. But the story did lead us along the path where Tara and Denise became very close. However, we saw the emotional effect of Denise's death on Darryl, which is fair enough, but he's a core character and I really do think they should have shown the impact of Denise's death on Tara. Then Tara would be seen to be as important as other core characters. So that if or when she dies it means something to us.

I also would have liked Denise to have continued as a character as I think she was well written and I really bought into her as a good strong character. It seems to be a bit of a waste because there was some really good character development going on with her. Really believable.

I do get the feeling that Tara is going to die soon. Because I suppose it could be seen as a sign that if the writers aren't bothering to show her emotional reaction to a character close to her being killed, then on some level it might appear that the writers think there's no point as they know her destiny.
I suppose this might be the case generally speaking in regard to all characters if the writers are following the comic. Either consciously or subconsciously they're probably likely to be lazier about writing for characters who they know aren't going to feature in their future plans.
The same goes for Rosita, she too feels underwritten. Same sort of skillset as Sasha who has become a good shot and who has become a core character. Just been dumped by Abraham. The signs don't look promising for Rosita's future existence.

That's because the actress who plays Tara was pregnant in real life during shooting those scenes. That's why her and Heath have gone off on a 'two week' mission together (He's been cast as the main lead in 24).

I've never felt so tense than I have watching the last few episodes of this TV Show. I've been expecting a big character death in each episode and was shocked when Denise got it. In the comics, I would have preferred Denise's fate to happen in the show but they may use that for another character.


Anyway, I have no idea who they're going to kill off in the final episode. Like everyone has been saying, it has to be a big character. But then the cast is so big right now, surely they could do with a clear out. Characters like Aaron, Eric, Olivia, Heath, Spencer haven't had much to do this season. Plus there's the new Hill Top community which I'm sure will play a big part next season.

I agree with the poster who say's that it's not looking good for Rosita but I think I'd prefer Sasha to bite it. I love that no character is safe on this show (I'm still shocked that they killed off Andrea so early on).

I second Sasha, she annoys me.

I haven't read the comics so no chance of me spoiling anything but still I can see the significance of the death of that family. Ron shooting Carl lead to Rick running riot with the Walkers and was the sea change of his attitude IE him acknowledging once and for all and out loud that killing is fine and getting the kill in first is a good thing.

I think this was the final realisation of Carl's and therefore Judith's and the rest of his family's vulnerability at the hands of actual people and this signified his epic change. I know he was heading that way but now he doesn't even apologise or agonise over attacking first.

Tara, like Daryl, is one of the few characters who doesn't appear in the comics [there is a very different character with the same name, though], but they like to mix and match their characters and situations up anyway so anything could conceivably happen to her. It's actually become more of a surprise when something happens in the show as it does in the comic than not. I hope Tara's safe for a while yet anyway, especially as we lost Denise far too early [I would also have much preferred Denise was given the nobler death she got later on in the comics]. I'd also hope they realise it'd be a bad idea to kill off any more LGBT characters for a while, now...

I do agree that things aren't looking good for one [or maybe more] of the Abraham/Sasha/Rosita triangle, but that could easily be misdirection and a very major player is going to get whomped instead. Who knows.

One thing's for sure, I'm steering well clear of forums, chatrooms and the like from now until I've seen the finale!
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All we can do is speculate. I even heard chatter about them changing the runtime of the episode from 90 minutes to 93 minutes so who knows if that is to add something extra on to the show or if it's to add more adverts in the show since the hype for the finale has been building up so much this week. It just seems to be getting more and more intense.

But the truth of the matter is this, no one knows what will happen tomorrow night. That is the stone cold truth of the matter. Literally no one knows what will happen other than Negan will make his appearance and he will make an impact. It is a guessing game as to what happens and as to who whatever happens, no one knows. Whether you watch the show on US time or you watch on FOX UK on Monday night, it will be a surprise for everyone as to what will happen. It might end up like I said earlier that the show will be the regular time it usually is but they will have tons of adverts in America because they know millions will be watching. I do think they will give us something memorable.

It's because after every major event...they immediately skip time. Month plus in this case (two months?) Then they do it again...and they'd only just done it previously. It's like they think showing aftermath is slowing down.

People get huffy during aftermath episodes, crying about "filler" episodes, but yes, I agree they do miss out too much aftermath. Episode 9 should have had the mid season break after it, to make the time jump more palatable, but that would have robbed us of the tense cliffhanger...

Personally I think that what with Maggie being pregnant there may be only room for one baby on this show. So I get the feeling that something really bad is going to happen to at least one core member of the group, and not necessarily directly.
I actually reckon that we may lose one or two core characters from the group in a massacre type situation, and maybe one or two secondary characters.
Because the core group is so big I think the writers may think that a cull is necessary and they can afford to do it. Apparently this Negan is a significant character, so I think something very bad indeed is going to happen.

You're possibly right and I'm sure they probably do skip time for convenience, but that's not really an excuse in itself if they don't deliver the required emotional payoffs.
They could keep skipping months every time something bad happened, but that wouldn't be very good dramatically and would make for a very poor show.
I'm not saying that TWD is a poor show, I just mean generally speaking about any show.

Speaking of them skipping time, I noticed that after they literally murdered the group of Saviours who captured Carol and Maggie, it skipped forward in time to show them enjoying the spoils of war. That was a mercenary act which The Governor would have been proud of them for, another one of Rick's 'brilliant' best laid plans. And for that act I think that the group will be punished very severely for that in the final episode.

I think they have to be careful about catering too much to fans online and stick to their gut feeling. Other shows have suffered in quality due to pandering too much to fans.
I remember in earlier series of TWD when core characters died it was the attention given to the group's reaction which was very potent.
Andrea, Dale, Hershel, even little Sophia, it was the aftermath of their deaths which really delivered. It really hit you in the gut and you felt that you were experiencing top drawer drama.
Tyreese's death was treated okay, although it only seemed like Sasha felt the effect of it.

It's stupid I'm feeling so nervous about watching a TV show, it's just a show but I hate losing characters I like, although I know it needs to happen in this show.