I totally get the whole safety in numbers thing. What I don't get is how all his group that we've seen could have been recruited from a torture porn film. I know I'm probably taking it too seriously, but I've never bought into the idea that previously 'normal' people will radically turn into killers and torturers simply by being part of such a group.

Negan needs Rick alive - as leader he needs him to realise that this unknown victim is Rick's fault and any future deaths from any type of defiance will be Rick's responsibility. This then puts the pressure on Rick to get the group to work for Negan to avoid any more deaths.
I think Carl is safe too as if Negan had chosen him he then loses control over Rick. Negan not knowing about Judith, there would be the risk that Rick would completely give up if Carl was the chosen one and Negan still needs Rick to lead. Adding in the line re 'take the boys other eye out and feed it to the father' implies that both Rick and Carl are safe.
Only eliminating all the girls due to the 'taking it like a champ' line, not really something that would refer to a female in my opinion. (Have seen mentioned in the comic books that Negan doesn't kill women and children but not sure if that's something they would have kept in the show)
Glenn and Daryl would deserve a momentous(?) death as main characters and because it wasn't shown on screen as one of them then I'm going to rule them out although Glenn was the person I was expecting it to be.
As all the others looked poopy scared then I'm sure that's what Negan wants from his 'workers' and he therefore knows that they will do what is asked in fear of future retribution. Whereas Abraham blatantly fronted up to Negan even in light of whatever awfulness was going to happen and in my mind Negan would surely think if this man shows no fear now then he's potentially dangerous in controlling this group. So taking out Abraham takes out future issues within the group and their compliance to Negan. (is it also true that Abraham should have died the Denise death anyway and not even been there??)

PS - had anyone heard the leaked audio from last week and compared it to the screening??

It is kill or be killed. Simple as that. Yes, they are a large group, but who knows who to trust? Maybe the one you confide in, is infact worse than the Devil himself?

Remember Milton. He was a nice man, not a killer. However, he was terrified of getting killed. So when Andrea told him in confidence about the prison, Milton went straight to the Governor.

People get pragmatic in times of terror. Most of us would do anything to stay alive.

Calm down . Some people do.

How soon until season 7 starts filming then we can be put out of our misery?

The producers expecting it to be kept secret until it airs are morons unless they expect us to avoid the internet for months. There are always headlines on websites that spoil these things even if you're not looking for them.

It's getting so I don't care about being spoiled now, they're forcing it on us. At least then I wont be rolling my eyes so much when they try to be clever.

Did I mishear something in the finale , I thought Negan said something about the person being hit with the bat losing another eye , I thought he was talking about Carl .

Does Rick take down Negan in series 7 that's the big question?

Holy Moly - now that IS freaky!!!


.serious?! Whoa - never knew that!

I still belive Enid is in on it. Denise's murder was not a mistake or an accident, it was important that the group had no doctor in Alexandria. Hence, get rid of the doctor.

Enid is then told to poison Maggie, so they have to go out to get medical assistance.
All the information has been fed to the saviours by Enid.

Nothing else makes sense, since the saviours are not psychic.

^I hadn't thought of that.


After he'd picked who it was going to be, he said to the saviours that if anyone moved or tried to stop him etc, then they should cut out Carl's other eye and feed it to Rick.

Yeah, the thought of it being an inside job did occur to me too for the reason you said - it doesn't make sense otherwise unless they have Derek Achora on their side - oh wait, no not him...Your theory on who and how makes a lot of sense, I'd not got that. It could still just be shit writing mind.

For an episode that for the most part didn't have much happening in it, I quite enjoyed it. I enjoyed the build up to the end scene - the size and strength of the Saviours becoming more and more apparent, the fact that every idea they had to get out was thwarted, Rick's ever decreasing circle into despair, the big reveal of Negan.

Buuuut by not showing who got whacked they've spoiled all that build up. The moment is gone. I think most people will want to know who and to hell with plot or anything else. Just tell us (or worse still, it'll leak out). See GOT Jon Snow for how it can be done!

So who got it?

Rick - no chance, for reasons already stated Negan needs him to control the rest, kill him they may rebel.

Carl - again as said above - kill Carl lose Rick

Maybe Abraham or Eugene, but even then they still feel too insignificant.

Actually I can't see past Michone, Daryl, Glenn, and possibly Maggie. Simply because anyone outside of those are not going to be big enough,
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So I guess season 7 will be about the group apparently conforming to Negan's regime, but in secret plotting a takeover/destruction of it.

Looks fairly impossible to overthrow negan, but a though occurs that we know nothing of the horsey armoured men yet. Maybe there's thousands of them...

I agree. It is now more like The Purge, and less like The Walking Dead.

I think it can be explained by the slow closing in of the Saviours on Alexandria after they were hit at the satellite station. We saw then with Paula on the way to the killing floor place that they had good radio comms.

I think it was a number of weeks after the hit on the Saviours before Dwight came across Daryl and co first time (when Denise was killed), giving the Saviours time to send out groups to find Alexandria and start the roadblocks when Dwight captured Daryl and co and they planned on trapping any others coming out of Alexandria.

Carol barely made it passed a small group on one of the roads.

We saw with the RV that the first group was the weakest and just kept building up as they tracked the RV routes and cut them off.

It makes me wonder what happened to Heath and Tara on that two week run they left for straight from the satellite station. Would have expected them back by now or to run into all these Saviours in the area.

Yes, that may be it. But still, they had no idea that Maggie would get sick, or that they would be on their way to Hiltop.

The men that Morgan met seemed like nice chaps, hopefully they can help. I sincerely hope they are not bad guys too, because enough is enough.

Surely a group of that size who's modus operandi is to simply take from everyone else wouldn't be sustainable, it'd be like something at the top of the food chain moving to an area and eventually starving to death because it's eaten everything. But eh maybe that's the point I suppose.

I loved the way Negan absolutely nailed Carl's damaged psyche. "Jesus kid, lighten up, at least cry a little" then referring to him as a future serial killer.
It can't be Carl or Rick though, as Negan issued an order to feed Carl's eye to Rick if there were any more outbursts occurred and it would be pointless to say that if he was about to kill one of them.

The psychological impact could point to Glenn because he could see what was between he and Maggie.

It can't be Rick.

Negan warned against noise and movement, with the threat that someone (probably GTA V's Trevor) would "cut out the kid's other eye and feed it to his father".

If Rick was having his head caved in, he wouldn't really be in a position to be fed Carl's eye, not would there be any point in it.

(This is also why it can't be Carl.)

The PoV scenes frequently used surely reveals its one of the four to emerge from the locked crate thing . Not sure how much detail the directors would go with but the camera angle inside the locked crate when doing the PoV would be where michonne was

im only on page 103 but had to jump ahead to say THAT was the most intense last 10-15 minutes of any TV show EVER IMO

Negan knocked it out the park AWESOME stuff

The p.o.v. whilst Negan actually brings the club down - which is the only p.o.v. that matters I suggest if you want to work out who the victim is - is looking up, so all you see is him against a black sky. There's nothing to orient the viewer as to what's behind him (Negan), so I don't see how it's possible to work out who he was standing in front of. Maybe you could say that, given the height of the RV, the fact you can't see the roof behind Negan suggests it must be someone on the outer edges of the line-up.

terrible finale but final 20 mins was great

I think the constant use of the PoV in the crate would suggest it was one of the ones in the locked crate

But whomever the victim was wasn't killed in the crate. Surely we're all assuming it was one of Rick's group that were clearly lined up on their knees? I don't see how the p.o.v. from inside the crate relates to the death. I just thought that was a fancy TV camera trick to keep us guessing who was in it and where they were. I'm not sure it has any bearing on who was ultimately killed.

Well we have to agree to disagree on that , I think that could've been the hints they referred to later .