When you're the only one around writing several posts in the early hours of the morning I think you tend to look like a bit of a nutcase when people come back to the thread later on.
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Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Good point to bring up. It may have been forgotten but early on there will be a good reason why we were shown Enid etching and painting the letters 'JSS' at various times. JSS = 'Just survive somehow'.
Enid kept leaving the Alexandria compound. So you could logically speculate that she has always been spending that time passing on information to The Saviours about the Alexandria activities. That may be how The Saviours were so well informed about what Rick was doing and where they may be at any given time.
Very good post Versailles.”
“Good point to bring up. It may have been forgotten but early on there will be a good reason why we were shown Enid etching and painting the letters 'JSS' at various times. JSS = 'Just survive somehow'.
Enid kept leaving the Alexandria compound. So you could logically speculate that she has always been spending that time passing on information to The Saviours about the Alexandria activities. That may be how The Saviours were so well informed about what Rick was doing and where they may be at any given time.
Very good post Versailles.”
Heh, I'd not even considered this, which is strange because I figured Maggie had been poisoned. It makes sense now with the pickles scene, plus her regular disappearances.
I too wondered about the importance of the JSS thing.
With the POV in the van, if that I the hint it goes against what the showrunners have said about keeping it secret.
Plus that an the audio
These seem to have screwed up big time.
Plus that an the audio
These seem to have screwed up big time.
Originally Posted by amos_brearley:
“If Enid isn't a traitor I'll be slightly disappointed now”
“If Enid isn't a traitor I'll be slightly disappointed now”
I dont think Enid is a traitor. For a while people thought she was part of the wolves now they think she is part of the saviors. I think we have had her back story and thats all there is, But who knows until it happens.
Originally Posted by aggielane:
“I dont think Enid is a traitor. For a while people thought she was part of the wolves now they think she is part of the saviors. I think we have had her back story and thats all there is, But who knows until it happens.”
“I dont think Enid is a traitor. For a while people thought she was part of the wolves now they think she is part of the saviors. I think we have had her back story and thats all there is, But who knows until it happens.”
To discover that she wasn't part of the wolves may instill a false sense of security. In fact that may be the reason the Wolves are there for, to wrong-foot us.
Why did Aaron insist on going when Rick wanted him to stay at Alexandria?? He even mentioned something along the lines of I owe it to Maggie.
As a curveball could he be an informer for Negan and co?? He used to go on scouting missions a lot so could easily have come across a Saviour at some point. Trading off other groups and their locations for leaving Alexandria alone as they were no threat.
Just a wild and crazy thought as not had caffeine fix yet this morning
As a curveball could he be an informer for Negan and co?? He used to go on scouting missions a lot so could easily have come across a Saviour at some point. Trading off other groups and their locations for leaving Alexandria alone as they were no threat.
Just a wild and crazy thought as not had caffeine fix yet this morning
Wow, so many good posts here now. 
What do you think Eugene's mission was?
Was he supposed to return back to Alexandria? How? All the roads were blocked, or they would likely be. Either way, why would Eugene volunteer to go on, what would most likely be, a suicide mission?
And, how Rick has been elected leader of anything other than the local McDonalds, is beyond me.
Maybe he is still the better of the lot, I dont know.
Carl makes me cringe with his Denise speach.
I will never forget how he executed a young defenseless lad in series three, ep 16. And neither did Hershel.
What do you think Eugene's mission was?
Was he supposed to return back to Alexandria? How? All the roads were blocked, or they would likely be. Either way, why would Eugene volunteer to go on, what would most likely be, a suicide mission?
And, how Rick has been elected leader of anything other than the local McDonalds, is beyond me.
Maybe he is still the better of the lot, I dont know.
Carl makes me cringe with his Denise speach.
I will never forget how he executed a young defenseless lad in series three, ep 16. And neither did Hershel.
Originally Posted by ddmatt05:
“Why did Aaron insist on going when Rick wanted him to stay at Alexandria?? He even mentioned something along the lines of I owe it to Maggie.
As a curveball could he be an informer for Negan and co?? He used to go on scouting missions a lot so could easily have come across a Saviour at some point. Trading off other groups and their locations for leaving Alexandria alone as they were no threat.
Just a wild and crazy thought as not had caffeine fix yet this morning”
“Why did Aaron insist on going when Rick wanted him to stay at Alexandria?? He even mentioned something along the lines of I owe it to Maggie.
As a curveball could he be an informer for Negan and co?? He used to go on scouting missions a lot so could easily have come across a Saviour at some point. Trading off other groups and their locations for leaving Alexandria alone as they were no threat.
Just a wild and crazy thought as not had caffeine fix yet this morning
”
Yes... But could he be in a position to poison Maggie?
Everyone else get sick, that is fine, they can cope with light stomach pains and fever.
A pregnant woman (or a baby for that matter) would need to seek medical help.
And the saviours needed our group to leave Alexandria soon.
Originally Posted by aggielane:
“I dont think Enid is a traitor. For a while people thought she was part of the wolves now they think she is part of the saviors. I think we have had her back story and thats all there is, But who knows until it happens.”
“I dont think Enid is a traitor. For a while people thought she was part of the wolves now they think she is part of the saviors. I think we have had her back story and thats all there is, But who knows until it happens.”
We dont know her backstory, other than her parents being killed. She may have been captured by the saviours and told in so many words, what would happen to her if she did not do as they told her.
It just her many trips out which irks me. Why would a 16 year old girl do that? Like I said before, she must have the survival skills of Bear Grylls.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“When you're the only one around writing several posts in the early hours of the morning I think you tend to look like a bit of a nutcase when people come back to the thread later on.”
“When you're the only one around writing several posts in the early hours of the morning I think you tend to look like a bit of a nutcase when people come back to the thread later on.”
Lol, I always think that about my own posts, when I write one after the other. As I have done now
Originally Posted by Versailles:
“
What do you think Eugene's mission was?
Was he supposed to return back to Alexandria? How? All the roads were blocked, or they would likely be. Either way, why would Eugene volunteer to go on, what would most likely be, a suicide mission?”
“
What do you think Eugene's mission was?
Was he supposed to return back to Alexandria? How? All the roads were blocked, or they would likely be. Either way, why would Eugene volunteer to go on, what would most likely be, a suicide mission?”
His mission was to drive around in the RV in order to distract the Saviors thus allowing Rick and the other to get Maggie to the doctor in Hilltop
Originally Posted by Verence:
“His mission was to drive around in the RV in order to distract the Saviors thus allowing Rick and the other to get Maggie to the doctor in Hilltop”
“His mission was to drive around in the RV in order to distract the Saviors thus allowing Rick and the other to get Maggie to the doctor in Hilltop”
How could they even imagine that that would work without Eugene getting captured..?
So, if yer one in the closet betrayed them, poisoned Maggie so they had to leave, that makes her Judas, right. There are 11 with Negan. Mmm, 11 plus Judas equals 12 disciples. So is Jesus, out of shot in the ep, the one who got his head bashed in, got crowned with thorns.???
I’m sure the producers would be happy with my wild speculation; it is just what they want. It’s not what I want from TWD.
I’m sure the producers would be happy with my wild speculation; it is just what they want. It’s not what I want from TWD.
Originally Posted by Versailles:
“We dont know her backstory, other than her parents being killed. She may have been captured by the saviours and told in so many words, what would happen to her if she did not do as they told her.
It just her many trips out which irks me. Why would a 16 year old girl do that? Like I said before, she must have the survival skills of Bear Grylls.”
“We dont know her backstory, other than her parents being killed. She may have been captured by the saviours and told in so many words, what would happen to her if she did not do as they told her.
It just her many trips out which irks me. Why would a 16 year old girl do that? Like I said before, she must have the survival skills of Bear Grylls.”
We also assumed that when we were first introduced to Enid her flashback occurred in sequence. i.e. her parents killed, she wanders off, writes JSS, and then goes straight to Alexandria and they let her in.
At least that's what we were shown.
But we don't know if inbetween the time when her parents died and the time when she went to Alexandria, she could have already spent six months with the Saviours and that could well have been the group who she was loyal to right from the start before she first visited Alexandria.
The Saviours might have fed her and looked after her, and even saved her life, and it would be perfectly natural for her to be loyal to them for good reason if they had been of great protection for her. So on that basis it may not have even been the case that she feared what they might do to her, she might have been a willing participant.
Remember....JSS.
I don't know if this is the case at all, but I think it's something worth considering.
Actually, thinking back I'm trying to also remember who set the alarm off when some of Rick's group went onto their mercenary mission when they murdered some of Negan's men at that compound?
Paula, Michelle, Molly, and Donnie were outside the compound and it was as if they were waiting for them and were ready.
They almost caught Rick and some of his group then.
Was that pure luck, or were they made aware beforehand that they were going to be attacked, so had a contingency plan at the ready?
Originally Posted by Verence:
“His mission was to drive around in the RV in order to distract the Saviors thus allowing Rick and the other to get Maggie to the doctor in Hilltop”
“His mission was to drive around in the RV in order to distract the Saviors thus allowing Rick and the other to get Maggie to the doctor in Hilltop”
Exactly. It was Eugene, I think, that theorised that Negan's group were tracking the RV, as opposed to the individuals themselves, so whilst Negan was watching the RV, Rick and co. thought they could safely escape on foot through the forest.
Of course, we know that didn't work out. I suppose it's ambiguous as to whether Negan was also watching the forest, or Eugene spilled. I'd like to think he didn't, but considering they obviously did beat him, he seemed relatively un-scathed by it.
Originally Posted by Versailles:
“How could they even imagine that that would work without Eugene getting captured..?”
“How could they even imagine that that would work without Eugene getting captured..?”
They didn't. I think they all, including Eugene, fully expected him to get captured, hence the soppy goodbyes with Rick and Abraham. It was un-spoken, but it was understood that they may never see each other again.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
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However, I still think that Maggie is at risk because if Rick's group survive all this I can't see them carrying around two babies. They've already got Judith to look after. Not to mention we've also had Eugene talking to Sasha about having babies. .”
“
However, I still think that Maggie is at risk because if Rick's group survive all this I can't see them carrying around two babies. They've already got Judith to look after. Not to mention we've also had Eugene talking to Sasha about having babies. .”
Does Abraham know about this?!
Originally Posted by shelleyj89:
“Does Abraham know about this?! ”
“Does Abraham know about this?!
”
Well he wasn't explicit
. He was talking about a future together in a roundabout way and gave off enough of a subtle hint.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Well he wasn't explicit. He was talking about a future together in a roundabout way and gave off enough of a subtle hint.”
“Well he wasn't explicit
. He was talking about a future together in a roundabout way and gave off enough of a subtle hint.”
Are you sure that wasn't Abraham, and not Eugene, as you originally wrote?
Originally Posted by Versailles:
“How could they even imagine that that would work without Eugene getting captured..?”
“How could they even imagine that that would work without Eugene getting captured..?”
I think they knew it was likely to be a sacrifice on Eugene's part, hence the heartfelt goodbyes and Abraham hugging him, and Eugene giving Abraham the bullet making plans, just in case.
Eugene's idea was that The Saviours would only have their eyes on the RV, and that if the others were on foot in the dark they could sneak through the woods to get to Hilltop.
Originally Posted by gashead:
“Are you sure that wasn't Abraham, and not Eugene, as you originally wrote?”
“Are you sure that wasn't Abraham, and not Eugene, as you originally wrote?
”
Oh shit, you're right.
Sorry about that, it was a brainfade on my part. Of course I accidentally typed Eugene.
Originally Posted by gashead:
“Exactly. It was Eugene, I think, that theorised that Negan's group were tracking the RV, as opposed to the individuals themselves, so whilst Negan was watching the RV, Rick and co. thought they could safely escape on foot through the forest.
Of course, we know that didn't work out. I suppose it's ambiguous as to whether Negan was also watching the forest, or Eugene spilled. I'd like to think he didn't, but considering they obviously did beat him, he seemed relatively un-scathed by it.
They didn't. I think they all, including Eugene, fully expected him to get captured, hence the soppy goodbyes with Rick and Abraham. It was un-spoken, but it was understood that they may never see each other again.”
“Exactly. It was Eugene, I think, that theorised that Negan's group were tracking the RV, as opposed to the individuals themselves, so whilst Negan was watching the RV, Rick and co. thought they could safely escape on foot through the forest.
Of course, we know that didn't work out. I suppose it's ambiguous as to whether Negan was also watching the forest, or Eugene spilled. I'd like to think he didn't, but considering they obviously did beat him, he seemed relatively un-scathed by it.
They didn't. I think they all, including Eugene, fully expected him to get captured, hence the soppy goodbyes with Rick and Abraham. It was un-spoken, but it was understood that they may never see each other again.”
Sorry, I can not quote from my iPad.
The thing about they never expected to see each other again, and Eugene knowingly going to (what he thought was going to be) his death, went right over my head.
Why did he suddenly become so strong and fearless?
Originally Posted by Versailles:
“Sorry, I can not quote from my iPad.
The thing about they never expected to see each other again, and Eugene knowingly going to (what he thought was going to be) his death, went right over my head.
Why did he suddenly become so strong and fearless?”
“Sorry, I can not quote from my iPad.
The thing about they never expected to see each other again, and Eugene knowingly going to (what he thought was going to be) his death, went right over my head.
Why did he suddenly become so strong and fearless?”
Well I suppose it's a human thing to do. He might have felt that he had become strong and fearless, but it may have been wishful thinking as things may have been very different when faced with the reality.
Originally Posted by gashead:
“Are you sure that wasn't Abraham, and not Eugene, as you originally wrote?”
“Are you sure that wasn't Abraham, and not Eugene, as you originally wrote?
”
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Oh shit, you're right.
Sorry about that, it was a brainfade on my part. Of course I accidentally typed Eugene.”
“Oh shit, you're right.
Sorry about that, it was a brainfade on my part. Of course I accidentally typed Eugene.”
I was beginning to think I'd missed a scene and my comment wasn't all that funny!
It was definately Eugene.
I have to say Sasha. I would pleasure you and do my very best to ensure you enjoyed intercourse with myself and I would have the upmost respect for you should you choose to entertain me and my cucumber, yes it really does look like one. I also hear they are good for your eyes. You deserve sparkly eyes Sasha.
I have to say Sasha. I would pleasure you and do my very best to ensure you enjoyed intercourse with myself and I would have the upmost respect for you should you choose to entertain me and my cucumber, yes it really does look like one. I also hear they are good for your eyes. You deserve sparkly eyes Sasha.
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