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Old 06-04-2016, 12:05
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Sorry, I can not quote from my iPad.

The thing about they never expected to see each other again, and Eugene knowingly going to (what he thought was going to be) his death, went right over my head.

Why did he suddenly become so strong and fearless?
Over recent eps. Eugene has gone to great pains to point out that he's no longer the physically weak coward who's un-able to engage in physical violence with either human or walker, and that he's ready - he feels - to do his fair share of guard duty, combat, walker killing and to take up arms when necessary. I can't remember all the incidents, but remember when he found that machine shop he thought he could make bullets in? Abraham accompanied him because he assumed Eugene would need protection, but Eugene basically told him to sod off because he no longer needs that protection. He went from always needing someone watching his back, to - in his belligerence - the mis-guided belief that he was now able to cope entirely alone, which of course went tits-up for him and he did need to be rescued by Abraham.

Volunteering for the RV mission was him trying yet again to prove that he's not the coward he once was.
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Old 06-04-2016, 12:11
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Not true. They literally murdered a group of Saviours for profit, for exactly the same deal The Saviours had made with the Hilltop community, which is what got them into the mess they're in right now.
I don't think I'd say it was just for profit - from what they were told about the saviours, and with Daryl, Sasha and Abraham's experience of them, this was clearly a group they did not want arriving at Alexandria - so I think it made sense to try and eliminate that threat.

Just something I noticed - I didn't want to post on here in case it was a spoiler but I checked Laurie Holden (Andrea's) IMDB page a couple of weeks ago and she was credited as being in a Season 6 episode of TWD, so I was looking forward to an Andrea flashback episode. But when I checked her page again today, as she wasn't in the episode, the credit has been removed from her list. I wonder if they do things like this to mess with us?!
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Old 06-04-2016, 12:35
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I adore JDM, and the only thing I have seen him in before, was as Joe DeMaggio, Marilyn Monroe's husband.
He is just too charming to be evil.

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..he's been in the alien show, Extant, with Halle Berry on Sky One recently, where he plays a good guy, so it was definitely weird seeing him as evil Neegan!!!
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Old 06-04-2016, 12:50
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Over recent eps. Eugene has gone to great pains to point out that he's no longer the physically weak coward who's un-able to engage in physical violence with either human or walker, and that he's ready - he feels - to do his fair share of guard duty, combat, walker killing and to take up arms when necessary. I can't remember all the incidents, but remember when he found that machine shop he thought he could make bullets in? Abraham accompanied him because he assumed Eugene would need protection, but Eugene basically told him to sod off because he no longer needs that protection. He went from always needing someone watching his back, to - in his belligerence - the mis-guided belief that he was now able to cope entirely alone, which of course went tits-up for him and he did need to be rescued by Abraham.

Volunteering for the RV mission was him trying yet again to prove that he's not the coward he once was.
Yes, I get that he has become stronger in that way. But it takes a whole lot of a man (or woman) to willingly go on a suicide mission just like that. And not only knowing you would be killed, but that torture would also be a part of it.

It was not planned either.

Others I have talked to, thinks that he thoght he would outsmart the saviours and that he relied on his brain.
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Old 06-04-2016, 12:52
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..he's been in the alien show, Extant, with Halle Berry on Sky One recently, where he plays a good guy, so it was definitely weird seeing him as evil Neegan!!!
I thought that when I saw him and thought wow what a complete character change by the way its SYFY Extant is on which is an easy mistake to make as both channels show similar shows sometimes. But yes it was weird seeing him playing evil very believable though. Now we have to wait till Autumn to find out what happens next and the suspense will be killing me on who did get the force of the club.
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Old 06-04-2016, 12:53
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I don't think I'd say it was just for profit - from what they were told about the saviours, and with Daryl, Sasha and Abraham's experience of them, this was clearly a group they did not want arriving at Alexandria - so I think it made sense to try and eliminate that threat.

Just something I noticed - I didn't want to post on here in case it was a spoiler but I checked Laurie Holden (Andrea's) IMDB page a couple of weeks ago and she was credited as being in a Season 6 episode of TWD, so I was looking forward to an Andrea flashback episode. But when I checked her page again today, as she wasn't in the episode, the credit has been removed from her list. I wonder if they do things like this to mess with us?!
During the last weeks, Hershel, Shane, Beth, Tyreese and Bob have all been listed as being in episode 16
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Old 06-04-2016, 13:04
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Yes, I get that he has become stronger in that way. But it takes a whole lot of a man (or woman) to willingly go on a suicide mission just like that. And not only knowing you would be killed, but that torture would also be a part of it.

It was not planned either.

Others I have talked to, thinks that he thoght he would outsmart the saviours and that he relied on his brain.
It was an improvised plan by Eugene when it became clear that no matter which road they took, they would hit a barricade. He suggested to Rick that if he drove the RV, Negan would be watching for it on the roads, not individuals walking through the trees. Maybe he just wanted to go out having finally proved beyond all doubt he could be relied upon. Plus, it was his plan, so to suggest someone else should go on it would just show he was still the coward they perhaps thought he was. It was just driving, after all, no real physicality involved.

You could be right about thinking he could outsmart them, I hadn't considered that. Knowing he would almost certainly be captured and tortured, it makes you wonder why he didn't just go out in a hail of bullets, having blasted a few of them first, unless he thought he might somehow come out of it alive?
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Old 06-04-2016, 13:05
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I think they knew it was likely to be a sacrifice on Eugene's part, hence the heartfelt goodbyes and Abraham hugging him, and Eugene giving Abraham the bullet making plans, just in case.
Eugene's idea was that The Saviours would only have their eyes on the RV, and that if the others were on foot in the dark they could sneak through the woods to get to Hilltop.
I thought he gave them to Rick, and mentioned that Abraham knew where the place was if needed.
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Old 06-04-2016, 13:38
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Heh, I'd not even considered this, which is strange because I figured Maggie had been poisoned. It makes sense now with the pickles scene, plus her regular disappearances.

I too wondered about the importance of the JSS thing.
Also re Enid I also thought it was strange how they went to the effort of showing Carl lock her in the cupboard after she was trying to come along on the trip. Perhaps she wanted to be reunited with the saviours?
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Old 06-04-2016, 13:41
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I thought he gave them to Rick, and mentioned that Abraham knew where the place was if needed.
He did. So regardless of who cops a feel of Lucille, they should still be able to go into bullet production.

They've made a thing about this making bullets idea over recent episodes so maybe that's something Alexandria will have to offer Negan to keep him 'happy' for now.

Otherwise I can't see why Negan would be happy with Alexandria taking food from Hilltop when he wants it too. Alexandria doesn't seem to have a lot to offer other than people and a secure base. I suppose there's that pharmaceutical stash from the ill-fated Denise on a run episode, which Negan may have heard about one way or another, or he just expects them to have stuff and will find more so just wants 50% of anything now and beyond. Keeps it simple.
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Old 06-04-2016, 13:45
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Wow, so many good posts here now.

What do you think Eugene's mission was?
Was he supposed to return back to Alexandria? How? All the roads were blocked, or they would likely be. Either way, why would Eugene volunteer to go on, what would most likely be, a suicide mission?

And, how Rick has been elected leader of anything other than the local McDonalds, is beyond me.

Maybe he is still the better of the lot, I dont know.

Carl makes me cringe with his Denise speach.
I will never forget how he executed a young defenseless lad in series three, ep 16. And neither did Hershel.
The teenager Carl shot was hardly defenseless – he was part of the Governor's army and had a gun (the very definition of not being defenseless) that he wasn't putting down, despite Carl telling him to. The boy was older than Carl too.
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Old 06-04-2016, 13:54
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The teenager Carl shot was hardly defenseless – he was part of the Governor's army and had a gun (the very definition of not being defenseless) that he wasn't putting down, despite Carl telling him to. The boy was older than Carl too.
The way I saw it, the other boy was clearly terrified and about to hand over his gun. The gun wasn't pointing at anybody either. Carl shot him anyway. That's how Hershel saw it too.
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Old 06-04-2016, 14:04
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Also re Enid I also thought it was strange how they went to the effort of showing Carl lock her in the cupboard after she was trying to come along on the trip. Perhaps she wanted to be reunited with the saviours?

They've showed Enid getting close to Maggie recently. Whether there is anything sinister or she's just letting people get close as she recovers from the JSS experience is open to interpretation as it stands.

I can sort of see why Enid would want to go with Maggie, like Aaron did. I find it harder to see why Carl went when Rick would know it puts him in danger if they get ambushed, and leaves Judith in the hands of relative strangers with Michonne and Carol also being awol. Carl should have stayed back and convinced Enid to stay too.

As for the poisoning idea. It could be as simple as Hilltop being pressured by Negan to taint the food as a way to draw them out. If they knew Maggie liked pickles or just tainted a few items with drugs that would affect the baby then it doesn't require someone in Alexandria to be a mole.

Hopefully all will be revealed, if there is anything more going on that just plot holes!
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Old 06-04-2016, 14:19
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During the last weeks, Hershel, Shane, Beth, Tyreese and Bob have all been listed as being in episode 16
Oh my god! Sneaky f*ckers, way to mess with us even more.

Literally can't hardly wait for October, considering I was ready to give up on this show a while bag, man have turned things around as far as I'm concerned.

I'm genuinely excited to see what Season 7 brings, and not just to find out who got Lucilled. I'm probably in the minority but I'm glad we didn't see who got killed, I found it all upsetting enough as it was, can't stop thinking about it! I think it was the way Negan revelled in it, and his 'taking it like a champ' line really broke my heart for whoever was on the receiving end
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Old 06-04-2016, 14:41
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Oh my god! Sneaky f*ckers, way to mess with us even more.
Anyone can add actor credits to IMDB if they want to.

These won't have been added by the showrunners.
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Old 06-04-2016, 14:48
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The teenager Carl shot was hardly defenseless – he was part of the Governor's army and had a gun (the very definition of not being defenseless) that he wasn't putting down, despite Carl telling him to. The boy was older than Carl too.
He put down his gun. Yes, he was older than Carl, he was 15. And obviously terrified.

Of course, I may be biased because we, the audience, know that he is a good lad, who was forced to go (despite being asthmatic) Leaving his single mother alone in Woodbury.

Nevermind, Hershel agreed with me
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Old 06-04-2016, 14:50
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The way I saw it, the other boy was clearly terrified and about to hand over his gun. The gun wasn't pointing at anybody either. Carl shot him anyway. That's how Hershel saw it too.
Thank you!
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Old 06-04-2016, 15:16
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Something I forgot to ask. What was the point of the spraying can thing?
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Old 06-04-2016, 15:18
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Thank you!
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Old 06-04-2016, 15:23
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I thought he gave them to Rick, and mentioned that Abraham knew where the place was if needed.
Yes, that's right.
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Old 06-04-2016, 15:26
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Something I forgot to ask. What was the point of the spraying can thing?
The Saviours may mark all their kills that way like the Wolves used to carve W's into their victims (and themselves).


We may see whoever got hit by the bat get a red X sprayed onto them in the season premiere.
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Old 06-04-2016, 15:32
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The Saviours may mark all their kills that way like the Wolves used to carve W's into their victims (and themselves).


We may see whoever got hit by the bat get a red X sprayed onto them in the season premiere.

Aha, yes. I had to google the hanged man, and saw that he has a big X across him. Hm..
On a other note, he was also missing his teeth, which I found very plausable after such a beating.

Seeing Glenn's pearly whites after his meeting with Merle, was somewhat unbelieveable.
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Old 06-04-2016, 16:24
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Anyone can add actor credits to IMDB if they want to.

These won't have been added by the showrunners.
So the real question is...who did it, and why

*looks around shiftily*
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Old 06-04-2016, 16:53
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Really enjoyed reading all of the posts the last couple of days.

Just a little aside - I see mentioned a couple of pages back that Negan wasn't "evil" enough as he had warm eyes, and comparisons with Ted Bundy.

If you read Ann Rule's book about Ted Bundy (The stranger beside Me) she talks about working alongside him on a "Samaritan" type helpline - although she was an experienced crime writer, she was surprised when it came out that it was him, as he seemed so kind, she actually socialised with him and was his friend for years.

Sorry for interjecting - just making the point that the eyes don't always have it!
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Old 06-04-2016, 17:12
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Maybe Enid wont get out of the closet and by the time Carl returns she'll have turned. She can be his Penny to go with his one eye.
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