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Old 17-10-2015, 13:17
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Almost pulling a gun is very different to killing someone in cold blood. Pete was a loose cannon a liability and a dunk end of. He had to go before he killed anyone else.
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Old 17-10-2015, 17:57
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Almost pulling a gun is very different to killing someone in cold blood. Pete was a loose cannon a liability and a dunk end of. He had to go before he killed anyone else.

He did not kill Reg, it was an accident.
And being a doctor, and later also a surgeon, I imagine he has saved some lives before, and had the potential to do so again.
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Old 17-10-2015, 18:05
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Wasnt overly impressed by the episode. Surely they could have just set all the zombies on fire or something? Seemed like an unnecessarly complicated plan to get rid of them.
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Old 17-10-2015, 22:29
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Wasnt overly impressed by the episode. Surely they could have just set all the zombies on fire or something? Seemed like an unnecessarly complicated plan to get rid of them.
No because fire doesn't kill them. I imagine it's quite hard to kill 30,000 walkers even if they are trapped (well were trapped).

I think Enid will sound the horn although I reckon it's because she's trying to sound for help escaping the wolves and hasn't seen the flares signalling that the plan is in action. The next few episodes should be good in dealing with this problem, the wolves and what they do.
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Old 18-10-2015, 02:25
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I do wish they would keep it simple rather then trying to join a current scene with a flashback.. With all the flashbacks it was confusing keeping up with what was happening. Whatever the outcome I think the group will find it difficult to trust Rik again. His leadership will be fully tested once the carnage is over.

There were some great one liners.

Rik: Don't you know who you talking to
I thought the flashbacks were a good way of not having to fully cover the time between what happened at the end of last season and getting to where they are now, without having some long drawn-out episodes of how they (sort of) resolve the situation and get to the point of dealing with the canyon full of zombies. That could have taken up a few eps in itself and been rather tedious.

Instead we just got snippets in flashbacks of salient points.
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Old 18-10-2015, 09:39
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I thought the flashbacks were a good way of not having to fully cover the time between what happened at the end of last season and getting to where they are now, without having some long drawn-out episodes of how they (sort of) resolve the situation and get to the point of dealing with the canyon full of zombies. That could have taken up a few eps in itself and been rather tedious.

Instead we just got snippets in flashbacks of salient points.
Bang on! That was the point of them. The director and writers were saving us time.
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Old 18-10-2015, 10:49
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Bang on! That was the point of them. The director and writers were saving us time.

This show does time saving so well, it doesn't drag on.

In the first prison episodes, I was worried that they would drag out the conflict with the insane latino prisoner. So when he got Rick's axe in his head in the middle of a conversation, I was thrilled.
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Old 18-10-2015, 14:02
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Just seen that the zombie to human ratio is 5000 to 1 and that they have only killed around 3500 zombies over 6 years.


That's a long way to go guys, but don't give up .
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Old 18-10-2015, 14:50
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Shane left Rick in a coma, in a hospital full of zombies.
Yes, the series began with Shane's willingness to sacrifice other people. In this case the husband of the woman he wanted to shag.

At that point he was doing what he could for his best friend's wife and child.
Because he was working his angle, to get in her pants.

Only later did it become romantic, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Lori that initiated it. Which I wouldn't blame her for, under the circumstances. She was the sort of woman who needs a man to protect her and her son.
Lori was disgusted with Shane and herself, why should the viewers disagree with her?

I don't think it matters that Rick hadn't shagged Jessie. It was clear he fancied her and had a connection with her, and didn't approve of the fellow she was with.
Rick "disapproved" of Jessie's husband, because he was beating her up. He fought him for the same reason Shane beat up Carol's husband. So by your logic, did Shane want Carol? Of course we know that Shane's "punishment" of Ed had as much to do with him throwing his toys out of his pram, because he had just been slapped and rejected by Lori.

I'm a fan of Shane, up until his final few episodes. Let's not forget that Shane offered to sacrifice himself to save Otis, and Otis refused, thus effectively damning them both if Shane hadn't made the only other choice.
If Shane thought what he did was right he wouldn't have felt the need to lie about it.


And let's not forget that Shane was there, risking his life getting medical supplies, to save Carl. He had planned to leave the group, but stayed to help out when Carl got shot.
He did what he did because he wanted Lori. He couldn't leave the group, because he wanted Lori. He wanted her so much he attempted to rape her. But hey, you can be a "fan" of his if you like that sort of thing LOL


Shane generally did what was best for the group. He'd helped keep them alive for months before Rick turned up; and of course, as soon as that happens, they start dying off.
Shane the great leader sent an untrained, motley crew into Atlanta, while he stayed behind to shag Lori. Andrea didn't even know the gun she carried had the safety on! And allowing a drug fuelled racist to tag along with an ethnically mixed bunch was never a recipe for disaster, oh no, no, no......

Shane knew not to bring Randy back to the farm, and having done so, knew that he couldn't be released again, things that Rick messed up over and again.
There's the rub. Shane's instinct told him to sacrifice anyone, even a good person like Otis. Rick's instinct told him to save people, even enemies like Randy, who had just tried to kill him.

Shane was a better father to Carl, knowing that the boy needed to grow up quick and learn to defend himself.
Shane could never be a better father to Carl, because he wasn't a better man than Rick in the first place. The gun training thing was more to do with Lori, than Rick anyway. She was still trying to be the horrified mother at the prison, when Carl went alone ("there were only 2 walkers") to get medical supplies for Hershel.

And of course, if Shane hadn't taken the trouble to secure the hospital room that Rick was in a coma in, saving his friend's life, we wouldn't have a show at all.
The hospital room wasn't secure, because Shane was in a hurry to run away.

In a way, Rick back then was like Alexandria now, inexperienced in zombies and not really tough enough. Shane had been surviving for a couple of months more, so was more advanced down that line, making him look mean in comparison. Rick today has gone further and is also now also capable of tough decisions.
I agree all the characters have advanced with differing rates of moral pragmatism and they have all been compromised to some degree. But Shane was already day dreaming about murdering Rick from the day he returned. Shane was a bad 'un to begin with.


Today's Rick would have sacrificed Otis too, in the same circumstances, same as he killed Carter when it became needful.
There is no evidence whatever to show Rick would sacrifice any of his crew. None. He killed Carter because he was already bitten and going to die anyway. If say, Carter had simply fallen and broken a leg Rick would have knocked him out to silence his screaming.


It's a shame that Lori and Rick did such a number on Shane's head.........
Really? Shane's head was unscrewed from the beginning and became altogether unhinged from the moment Lori said NO. Anything else was down to his own weakness.

......that he degenerated to the point of being suicidal
Because he couldn't have what he wanted; Lori. Well, boo hoo hoo....

(because I think it's pretty clear he never would have killed Rick)
That is not "pretty clear" in any way at all IMO.


because Shane was pretty awesome.
It may come as a surprise to you, but I disagree LOL
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Old 18-10-2015, 15:00
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He did not kill Reg, it was an accident.
Of course he killed Reg. The fact that he actually intended (in his tiny mind) to kill Rick doesn't diminish his negligence.

And being a doctor, and later also a surgeon, I imagine he has saved some lives before, and had the potential to do so again.
And being a piss-head, and later also a violent piss-head, he was dangerous then, and had the potential to be even more so.....if Rick hadn't righteously blown his face off. LOL
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Old 18-10-2015, 17:16
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Yes, the series began with Shane's willingness to sacrifice other people. In this case the husband of the woman he wanted to shag.
You think he should have tried to get Rick out of the hospital, when Rick was comatose and on a drip? They'd both have died.

The hospital room wasn't secure, because Shane was in a hurry to run away.
It was secure, because Shane took the time to block the door to stop zombies getting in, and as a result Rick survived despite his coma. Shane did what he could to save Rick.

Because he was working his angle, to get in her pants.
Since we didn't see that time, what you are saying is merely your interpretation.

Rick "disapproved" of Jessie's husband, because he was beating her up. He fought him for the same reason Shane beat up Carol's husband. So by your logic, did Shane want Carol?
I didn't see any chemistry between Shane and Carol, so the issue of a conflict of interests doesn't arise. It does arise between Rick and Jesse. If you couldn't see he fancied her, you're blind.

If Shane thought what he did was right he wouldn't have felt the need to lie about it.
Rick lies too. Sometimes it's simpler. (Did he actually lie? Or did he merely say that Otis died trying to do the right thing and not give details beyond that? Telling them that Otis was an idiot who died from stupidity would not have gone down well.)

He did what he did because he wanted Lori. He couldn't leave the group, because he wanted Lori.
By this time he'd realised he wasn't going to get her. This was after he made a pass at her (what you call attempted rape) and got rejected. He stayed because he was needed by the group, especially Carl who would be dead without him.

There's the rub. Shane's instinct told him to sacrifice anyone, even a good person like Otis.
No. Shane's instinct was to sacrifice himself to save Otis (and Carl). He offered to do that. You keep pretending that didn't happen, but it did.

In the end it came down to either Otis dies, or Otis, Shane and Carl all died. Shane made the right choice. It really bothers me that people don't understand this basic arithmetic. This is what I mean about being will to make tough decisions. Rick can do that now, but back in season 2, he couldn't, and Shane could. (Carol gets it too: she killed the two people with flu in order to save the rest. Rick cast her out for that, but now he's accepted her back.)

There is no evidence whatever to show Rick would sacrifice any of his crew. None. He killed Carter because he was already bitten and going to die anyway.
Just as Otis was going to die anyway.

It may come as a surprise to you, but I disagree LOL
Yes, Shane is commonly misunderstood. It's probably not worth debating further, though.
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Old 18-10-2015, 17:33
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He did not kill Reg, it was an accident.
And being a doctor, and later also a surgeon, I imagine he has saved some lives before, and had the potential to do so again.
Whether he meant to or not doesn't change the fact thagt he did indeed kill Reg.
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Old 18-10-2015, 17:35
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Michonne and Morgan have come to terms with the horrors of their past. Although I fear they need new horrors to wake them from their reverie.

Rick is now, logically the person I always suspected he would become.
"I don't take chances now."
That's right Rick!
The moral high ground can only be justified to one's self when the outcome merits it. But as we've seen Rick's tolerance has only led to precarious situations escalating beyond his control and getting members of his team killed.
To paraphrase something John Major said, Rick needs to "condemn a little more and understand a little less".

Despite this I do feel Daryl is right to question Rick's stance on bringing in new members. New members are the life blood of the community and without them the community will slowly dwindle away, until it's nothing.

Those wolves will have to be found and slaughtered. It's a shame Morgan didn't take the opportunity when it presented itself. Now Alexandria may have to pay the unintended price of his moral superiority.
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Old 18-10-2015, 17:51
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I think Rick's right about new members, so long as it's a temporary hiatus. They've just had a massive influx in the form of Rick's group, and they need some time to settle in, figure out which people deserve respect and what the new dynamic will be. Plus Rick wants to shake everything up, change their security procedures, and tackle a few big projects like dealing with the quarry. It makes sense to wait a month or two before starting to add new people again.
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Old 18-10-2015, 20:03
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Yes, the series began with Shane's willingness to sacrifice other people. In this case the husband of the woman he wanted to shag.



Because he was working his angle, to get in her pants.



Lori was disgusted with Shane and herself, why should the viewers disagree with her?



Rick "disapproved" of Jessie's husband, because he was beating her up. He fought him for the same reason Shane beat up Carol's husband. So by your logic, did Shane want Carol? Of course we know that Shane's "punishment" of Ed had as much to do with him throwing his toys out of his pram, because he had just been slapped and rejected by Lori.



If Shane thought what he did was right he wouldn't have felt the need to lie about it.




He did what he did because he wanted Lori. He couldn't leave the group, because he wanted Lori. He wanted her so much he attempted to rape her. But hey, you can be a "fan" of his if you like that sort of thing LOL




Shane the great leader sent an untrained, motley crew into Atlanta, while he stayed behind to shag Lori. Andrea didn't even know the gun she carried had the safety on! And allowing a drug fuelled racist to tag along with an ethnically mixed bunch was never a recipe for disaster, oh no, no, no......



There's the rub. Shane's instinct told him to sacrifice anyone, even a good person like Otis. Rick's instinct told him to save people, even enemies like Randy, who had just tried to kill him.



Shane could never be a better father to Carl, because he wasn't a better man than Rick in the first place. The gun training thing was more to do with Lori, than Rick anyway. She was still trying to be the horrified mother at the prison, when Carl went alone ("there were only 2 walkers") to get medical supplies for Hershel.



The hospital room wasn't secure, because Shane was in a hurry to run away.



I agree all the characters have advanced with differing rates of moral pragmatism and they have all been compromised to some degree. But Shane was already day dreaming about murdering Rick from the day he returned. Shane was a bad 'un to begin with.




There is no evidence whatever to show Rick would sacrifice any of his crew. None. He killed Carter because he was already bitten and going to die anyway. If say, Carter had simply fallen and broken a leg Rick would have knocked him out to silence his screaming.




Really? Shane's head was unscrewed from the beginning and became altogether unhinged from the moment Lori said NO. Anything else was down to his own weakness.



Because he couldn't have what he wanted; Lori. Well, boo hoo hoo....



That is not "pretty clear" in any way at all IMO.




It may come as a surprise to you, but I disagree LOL
You think he should have tried to get Rick out of the hospital, when Rick was comatose and on a drip? They'd both have died.

It was secure, because Shane took the time to block the door to stop zombies getting in, and as a result Rick survived despite his coma. Shane did what he could to save Rick.

Since we didn't see that time, what you are saying is merely your interpretation.

I didn't see any chemistry between Shane and Carol, so the issue of a conflict of interests doesn't arise. It does arise between Rick and Jesse. If you couldn't see he fancied her, you're blind.

Rick lies too. Sometimes it's simpler. (Did he actually lie? Or did he merely say that Otis died trying to do the right thing and not give details beyond that? Telling them that Otis was an idiot who died from stupidity would not have gone down well.)

By this time he'd realised he wasn't going to get her. This was after he made a pass at her (what you call attempted rape) and got rejected. He stayed because he was needed by the group, especially Carl who would be dead without him.

No. Shane's instinct was to sacrifice himself to save Otis (and Carl). He offered to do that. You keep pretending that didn't happen, but it did.

In the end it came down to either Otis dies, or Otis, Shane and Carl all died. Shane made the right choice. It really bothers me that people don't understand this basic arithmetic. This is what I mean about being will to make tough decisions. Rick can do that now, but back in season 2, he couldn't, and Shane could. (Carol gets it too: she killed the two people with flu in order to save the rest. Rick cast her out for that, but now he's accepted her back.)

Just as Otis was going to die anyway.

Yes, Shane is commonly misunderstood. It's probably not worth debating further, though.

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Old 19-10-2015, 09:08
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Great episode and it was nice to see Carol being a badass again. I think Morgan needs to wake up to what the world truly is like and that it is necessary to kill people. It's nice to see I was right with it being a truck horn from the wolves though, when everyone else kept calling it an alarm.
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Old 19-10-2015, 09:31
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Whether he meant to or not doesn't change the fact thagt he did indeed kill Reg.

Of course it does.
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Old 19-10-2015, 09:48
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Brilliant episode...... carol amazing.....Morgan amazing.

Just shows us that an ep without Rick works.
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Old 19-10-2015, 10:17
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I am watching now, and the woman who plays Tara looks pregnant.

And why isn't Judith growing?
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Old 19-10-2015, 10:29
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If only they had a surgeon..
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Old 19-10-2015, 10:36
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Carol took a huge risk going through town with Morgan in tow. Anyone could have shot her.
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Old 19-10-2015, 11:02
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Who's the tortoise eating girl, JSS? Was she the girl who left the place a while ago, the one Carl watched sneak out. When she was sat there with him she said that's how 'we' were able..

She a wolf?
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Old 19-10-2015, 11:06
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Morgan's stick seems to be extremely strong, it doesn't brake no matter what.
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Old 19-10-2015, 11:07
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Who's the tortoise eating girl, JSS? Was she the girl who left the place a while ago, the one Carl watched sneak out. When she was sat there with him she said that's how 'we' were able..

She a wolf?

Yes, I think that is her. She is not a wolf? At least I dont think so.
Her name is Enid or Edith.
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Old 19-10-2015, 11:09
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I am watching now, and the woman who plays Tara looks pregnant.

And why isn't Judith growing?
Haha, I just googled, and the actress is indeed pregnant. I guess it is a combination of having four children of my own, and being a midwife.
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