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cazziekay
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I am sure they were real. I have been bereaved as I am sure most of us have. There are stages where you do feel angry, it is bloody unfair, the pain is unbearable. But you can't go around taking it out on others and get away with that. We are socialised not to because society just can't function if everyone who feels pain or anger, in other words all of us at some time or another, went around expressing it by attacking others.”

That's just it An, grief is a personal thing. Yes you can look it up and see the five stages of grief but it's not like a book, it breaks you and can change you forever. If you are lucky enough to be surrounded with people to support you then maybe it can be easier, but everyone deals with it differently. Sadly lashing out is a reaction and masking it with smiles is another. Austin is an angry young man and has been pretty harsh at times, but I have to say I felt for him tonight. BB isn't an environment to go into when your feelings are so raw, and I think he projected his pain to Janice because beneath it all, he knows she understands.
Darcyprincess
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“My heart went out to him. And i understand him more after tonight, having not liked him much. He's full of anger, he gets nasty with it, he lashes out, gets on a destructive roll that earns judgement from others then feels cornered and acts out even more. I could see the trajectory of that meltdown tonight. I've seen it before, in lots of people. And I totally get now why he demands loyalty and why he's so deeply wounded when he doesn't get it. His expectations of people are way too high but he's quite child-like in many ways. Poor bugger.”

Exactly my sentiments and my heart went out to him too, it was heartbreaking to watch and I don't know how anybody could not be moved by his meltdown, even Natasha was near to tears and Bobby too! It just makes me understand him more too! I don't think there was anything fake about it, it was so obvious he couldn't contain his emotions! It takes a lot to reduce me to tears these days, especially when it's BB but this definitely did. I think what he said in the Dr came from the heart! So sad to watch on national TV!
trevor tiger
21-09-2015
I felt a bit emotional as well However, it was as much to do with the others BAR James comforting Austin when he came out of the diary room. Bobby was a real star
Angelica1973
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by Wainy84:
“She not active.”

What happened ? Was her insight too much for people to take
An Thropologist
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by cazziekay:
“That's just it An, grief is a personal thing. Yes you can look it up and see the five stages of grief but it's not like a book, it breaks you and can change you forever. If you are lucky enough to be surrounded with people to support you then maybe it can be easier, but everyone deals with it differently. Sadly lashing out is a reaction and masking it with smiles is another. Austin is an angry young man and has been pretty harsh at times, but I have to say I felt for him tonight. BB isn't an environment to go into when your feelings are so raw, and I think he projected his pain to Janice because beneath it all, he knows she understands.”

YEs that could very well be it. I was thinking a few minutes ago why has he made an enemy of Janice of all people. She would have been the one who you could have relied on to do the mutual support/self help thing, like she has with Chloe.
honeythewitch
21-09-2015
I dont doubt that Austin has a lot of pain, and I feel very sorry for him, but his tears were for himself and how he has blown his chances just before the final.
It was all about him.
Pices-55
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by Hot Butterfly:
“I think he was crying because he knew he'd gone too far and had probably lost his chance at winning. Obviously he's upset about his brother but I believe he brought that in to account for his temper. He acts as a spoilt child when caught out. He said he is always either sad or angry but that's not true. When things are going his way he's happy enough. As someone else has said, he was the same when he was on his other American reality show. Can't remember the name.

He can dish it out in spades but absolutely can't take any kind of criticism. I feel he brought it on himself.”

Yep I agree, he didn't actually seem that upset about James nomming him until Jenna started it all off, he is a control freak and just cannot handle anyone who does not agree with him. Janice was the one to whom he vented his full on anger upon and wow what a venomous attack that was

We all suffer grief at some point and some of us have a hard start in life but it does not give us licence to wreak havoc upon others. I too got the feeling that his upset in the DR and all those tears were because he knew he had gone too far, the poor me speech about his family was just him offering an excuse for his behaviour. It was wierd, as if all that is shitty about his life justified his anger.
I found it a bit sad really.......sad for him that he has no control over his actions and sad for others who must bear the brunt of all his anger.

Personally I felt more sorry for James because I thought he felt bad about the nom but if I were him I would now distance myself from such a destructive force as Austin.
Wainy84
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by Angelica1973:
“What happened ? Was her insight too much for people to take ”

I don't know.
Her thread got pulled by the mods. A member said she no longer active.
trevor tiger
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by cazziekay:
“That's just it An, grief is a personal thing. Yes you can look it up and see the five stages of grief but it's not like a book, it breaks you and can change you forever. If you are lucky enough to be surrounded with people to support you then maybe it can be easier, but everyone deals with it differently. Sadly lashing out is a reaction and masking it with smiles is another. Austin is an angry young man and has been pretty harsh at times, but I have to say I felt for him tonight. BB isn't an environment to go into when your feelings are so raw, and I think he projected his pain to Janice because beneath it all, he knows she understands.”

Great post. Really interesting points Regarding the BIB, almost like a parent or mother figure. Sad really when you think of Austin's story regarding his Mum.
lightblues
21-09-2015
That was real pain , he shouldn't take it out on others though, I guess some posters here haven't gone through anything
cazziekay
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“YEs that could very well be it. I was thinking a few minutes ago why has he made an enemy of Janice of all people. She would have been the one who you could have relied on to do the mutual support/self help thing, like she has with Chloe.”

Janice is playing her role as a reality tv star, but she's a mum first and foremost and has lived through the hell of the modelling industry, along with dealing with her own demons. I think she gets Austin and he feels the connection, if that makes sense.
lkhere
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by duckylucky:
“Manipulative behaviour . There is no excuse for speaking to an older woman like that .”

There is no need to speak to anyone like that at all!!!

Saying that this story explains the pain his parents had to cope with, this is heartbreaking story but there is probably many more stories like this unfortunately

http://newsok.com/article/feed/543060
babs_lawrie
21-09-2015
I feel he has really fallen for james and knows he has himself in a mess. He has said on television he will leave his husband for james. It is now nearing the end and he must know he is going to lose both of them. For james to nominate him has proved to much for him I think he is going to have a breakdown if he doesnt get professional help i do feel sorry for him.
cazziekay
21-09-2015
Originally Posted by lkhere:
“There is no need to speak to anyone like that at all!!!

Saying that this story explains the pain his parents had to cope with, this is heartbreaking story but there is probably many more stories like this unfortunately

http://newsok.com/article/feed/543060”

That is just so sad. I know this isn't the place, but I just hate what these wars do to the soldiers, my nephew being involved in this exact war. They go away one person and come back another, with that sad vacant look in their eyes, always living with those memories, but we, well we are just glad that they are back with us.
R598
21-09-2015
Is it bad that I was laughing all the way through that?! 😂 still want him to stay though.
getmadnow17
22-09-2015
Originally Posted by lightblues:
“That was real pain , he shouldn't take it out on others though, I guess some posters here haven't gone through anything”

What? So you're saying that 'going through something' justifies aggressively shouting and demeaning someone else and calling them a ****.

What an indulgence view to take!
Fanntastik
22-09-2015
No sympathy whatsoever from me. Plenty of people have been through worse and yet don't resort to bullying others.
Scarlet O'Hara
22-09-2015
Originally Posted by cazziekay:
“Janice is playing her role as a reality tv star, but she's a mum first and foremost and has lived through the hell of the modelling industry, along with dealing with her own demons. I think she gets Austin and he feels the connection, if that makes sense.”

Spot on. When they argued yesterday (I think) and he said "what, are we just gonna stare at each other now?" he was kind of smiling. They're both divas in different ways, and I think he sees more of himself (and maybe his mother) in her than he can acknowledge. They're both dramatic, tough as old boots, quite narcissistic and very demanding of others.

I think the main source of his anger in the last week has been James though and not just James' recent betrayals. It's plain to me that Austin has fallen for James a wee bit and is really disappointed and frustrated that while he's been hurting, James is a fair weather friend. He's not his lover or his best friend, he's just a mate on a gameshow and Austin needed more. Austin is much deeper and more complex than James, who's also off limits. That must be frustrating for him.
Scarlet O'Hara
22-09-2015
Originally Posted by getmadnow17:
“What? So you're saying that 'going through something' justifies aggressively shouting and demeaning someone else and calling them a ****.

What an indulgence view to take!”

Of course it doesn't justify it. But I don't agree with all of the posters in this thread who are saying that Austin should just choose to act differently because others have been through worse yadda yadda.

Others aren't Austin. We all have unique upbringings and dispositions, collisions of factors that affect how we respond, so who's to say that Austin has the same emotional apparatus as everyone else, all those who according to this thread, would be much better behaved if they'd had HIS past and his current challenges? I'd no sooner ask a person with evident mental challenges to get a grip and behave themselves than I would someone with a broken leg to run a mile.
hellsTinkerbell
22-09-2015
Originally Posted by greenyone:
“He needs help”

Yes....so lets vote him out followed closely by the manipulating,drip feeding of poison that is Jenna.
cezzy
22-09-2015
You cannot abuse people like Austin has! His insults are manipulative & repulsive.

His anger is so close to the surface because he's always trying to keep a lid on it. Been there, done that, but I sought help & am better for it. I don't believe his diary room tears were an act; I do believe Austin needs professional help to deal with whatever pain he's suffering instead of taking out his aggression on others. Reminds me a lot of Helen Wood in that respect. He's probably a decent person underneath, yet his all consuming anger is turning him into a vile human being.
getmadnow17
22-09-2015
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“Of course it doesn't justify it. But I don't agree with all of the posters in this thread who are saying that Austin should just choose to act differently because others have been through worse yadda yadda.

Others aren't Austin. We all have unique upbringings and dispositions, collisions of factors that affect how we respond, so who's to say that Austin has the same emotional apparatus as everyone else, all those who according to this thread, would be much better behaved if they'd had HIS past and his current challenges? I'd no sooner ask a person with evident mental challenges to get a grip and behave themselves than I would someone with a broken leg to run a mile.”

Still doesn't justify his actions and behaviour though. I guessing that your reasoning would also excuse violent criminals that have had a tough upbringing or environment. Within your argument, where does the concept of 'personal accountability' kick though?

Austin is entitled to be in his feelings about his experiences, losses and tragedies but again that doesn't give him a pass to abuse others and this coming from someone who has her own set of issues and 'mental challenges'.
hellsTinkerbell
22-09-2015
Originally Posted by cezzy:
“You cannot abuse people like Austin has! His insults are manipulative & repulsive.

His anger is so close to the surface because he's always trying to keep a lid on it. Been there, done that, but I sought help & am better for it. I don't believe his diary room tears were an act; I do believe Austin needs professional help to deal with whatever pain he's suffering instead of taking out his aggression on others. Reminds me a lot of Helen Wood in that respect. He's probably a decent person underneath, yet his all consuming anger is turning him into a vile human being.”

According to himself tonight he says he can read peoples body language well because he's done some sort of army thing.
He's so up himself its ridiculous now.
He's nasty.
He could cause a fight in an empty room.
I don't care about his story,life,journey or anything about him any more.
He's got an inner core inside himself that fuels his own rage.
Theres nothing warming or nice about him i'm seeing at all now.
I liked him a little bit at first but definitely not any more.
RedOrDead36
22-09-2015
Never mind Austin's pain..my ears are in pain listening to his bullshiit.
bbnutnut
22-09-2015
Originally Posted by cazziekay:
“That's just it An, grief is a personal thing. Yes you can look it up and see the five stages of grief but it's not like a book, it breaks you and can change you forever. If you are lucky enough to be surrounded with people to support you then maybe it can be easier, but everyone deals with it differently. Sadly lashing out is a reaction and masking it with smiles is another. Austin is an angry young man and has been pretty harsh at times, but I have to say I felt for him tonight. BB isn't an environment to go into when your feelings are so raw, and I think he projected his pain to Janice because beneath it all, he knows she understands.”

I would agree with all of the above except to say (as I've mentioned on a couple of threads now) that Austin was an aggressive, deceitful person on The A List, an American reality programme back in 2011. That was two years before he lost his brother and long before his mother was imprisoned for theft.
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