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Eastenders - DTC is as bad as Kirkwood and Newman!!
First he started out quite good and thing we're looking promising, with the who killed Lucy story being great too at the start. Then I street to notice him shamelessly copying past Eastenders stories which he boasted that he would never do. Stuff like your big sister is actually your secret mum (kat&zoe/shirley&mick) and the who shot Phil (Ian: "again?") Just to name a few. That's when I started voicing my disapproval and concern. THEN he started overusing and favoriting and overusing the Carters above other characters in the show, which he said he wouldn't do - DTC: "it's not going to be the Carter show" and "everyone will get their chance to shine". that's when I noticed that he went back on two of his big promises and started to dislike him. Then things picked up again with the 'conclusion' of the who killed Lucy plot. I thought bringing back Kathy was bold and I'd have accepted it if the back story and quality of the reason was up there. I was less sure about the reveal of bobby as Lucy's killer but decided - even though I was a little disappointed - to see how it played out. Well, both stories dropped almost immediately after the live eps - something again DTC promised wouldn't happen like last time when Stacey was revealed as archies killer (and to top that off, I think the aftermath of the 25th was better handled still). Then the show went on this dull as Newman dishwater period with not much happening and weird character transplants that kirkwood would be proud of, like Stacey falling for Martin and and then wanting her best friends man, Kush. A few other notable transplants would be Charlie, abi and shabnam/Kush. Also there were just some tediously stupid decisions like kat not knowing she had twins etc. SO, then we returned to the who killed Lucy and Kathy alive stories months later and both were Crap. Kathy faked her death and left her boys to think she was dead, "all for a man". I mean what a cold heartless cow. And everyone is intent on keeping bobby secret in favour of max rotting in jail. Even his own daughter who knows he didn't do it!
There is so much more I could rant about. It really is bad. I'm going to go as far as to say DTC isn't much better than Kirkwood. Maybe even just as bad and certainly giving kirkwood and Newman a run for their money as worst ever Eastenders executive producers. |
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I didn't even get on to the horrendous dragged out stories and incredibly frustrating story blocking. Week 70 of the who killed Lucy story everyone where everyone is finding out but choosing to keep quiet and let max rot in jail. I mean geez!
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He started out well but the problem with an interminable four episodes a week soap is that things can rapidly spiral out of control if you don't keep the energy and control going with regard the scripts and juggling actor / actresses leaving for good, going on maternity leave etc. DTC and his scriptwriters have lost control of some of the plots and there are a few heading for the buffers at speed.
The thing is everything has become rather clunky, you can see the desperation of the scriptwriters as they seek a triple dush dush dush moment for every episode and the actors haven't clue what is coming next or what preposterous lines they will be given next. |
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I just want to know about Staceys key and is Sean kats son?
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First he started out quite good and thing we're looking promising, with the who killed Lucy story being great too at the start. Then I street to notice him shamelessly copying past Eastenders stories which he boasted that he would never do. Stuff like your big sister is actually your secret mum (kat&zoe/shirley&mick) and the who shot Phil (Ian: "again?") Just to name a few. That's when I started voicing my disapproval and concern. THEN he started overusing and favoriting and overusing the Carters above other characters in the show, which he said he wouldn't do - DTC: "it's not going to be the Carter show" and "everyone will get their chance to shine". that's when I noticed that he went back on two of his big promises and started to dislike him. Then things picked up again with the 'conclusion' of the who killed Lucy plot. I thought bringing back Kathy was bold and I'd have accepted it if the back story and quality of the reason was up there. I was less sure about the reveal of bobby as Lucy's killer but decided - even though I was a little disappointed - to see how it played out. Well, both stories dropped almost immediately after the live eps - something again DTC promised wouldn't happen like last time when Stacey was revealed as archies killer (and to top that off, I think the aftermath of the 25th was better handled still). Then the show went on this dull as Newman dishwater period with not much happening and weird character transplants that kirkwood would be proud of, like Stacey falling for Martin and and then wanting her best friends man, Kush. A few other notable transplants would be Charlie, abi and shabnam/Kush. Also there were just some tediously stupid decisions like kat not knowing she had twins etc. SO, then we returned to the who killed Lucy and Kathy alive stories months later and both were Crap. Kathy faked her death and left her boys to think she was dead, "all for a man". I mean what a cold heartless cow. And everyone is intent on keeping bobby secret in favour of max rotting in jail. Even his own daughter who knows he didn't do it!
There is so much more I could rant about. It really is bad. I'm going to go as far as to say DTC isn't much better than Kirkwood. Maybe even just as bad and certainly giving kirkwood and Newman a run for their money as worst ever Eastenders executive producers. When does his contract ends? |
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I don't think he has a contract as far as I know he has the job as long as he wants it. There are a few things I'm unhappy with but on the whole I still think he is doing a good job.
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It's fiction, a harmless story. Personally I think DTC is doing great and have never been more addicted since the early - mid nineties. Thanks
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He's heading into Newman territory. Newman wasn't dreadful but she had a habit of promising ideas being badly executed.
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He's nowhere near as bad as either of them. DTC has made the show watchable again - something it definitely wasn't under Kirkwood and Newman. 2010-13 will go down as the worst period in the show's history: the baby swap, the Shaggerman saga, the dreadful Brannings hogging the limelight, the Moon brothers, the Hartmans, Kirsty and Carl, the cold cuts, the snake, bingate, killing off Pat... I could go on. Kirkwood nearly killed the show with his unnecessary 'revamp' in 2010, and while I believe Newman tried her best to fix things she was massively out of her depth. The show under Kirkwood was offensively bad, and under Newman it was like watching paint dry.
DTC has greatly improved the show's overall quality, and it finally 'feels' like EastEnders again. The writing is much better; I actually care about the characters again. The longer-serving characters are getting the recognition they deserve (unlike under BK who was constantly trying to rewrite history) and there's been an injection of new faces too. The Mitchells and Beales in particular have shone in this era; the Lucy plot is one of the most exciting EastEnders has done in years, even if it is dragging on a bit. The Carters did dominate the show for too long, but I'm glad this has now been rectified. I don't think all of the new characters have worked, and there are some obvious issues with pacing, but I do appreciate the energy and enthusiasm that DTC has poured into the show. It's clear that he really cares about it. Not everything about this era is perfect, but it's definitely the most enjoyable EastEnders has been since about 2007. And considering how bad it got 3-4 years ago, that's a real achievement. |
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Max's trial has been a complete farce; the way his daughters just abandon him even when one of them knows he didnt do it, as if you would let your father hang for something he didnt do!
Lauren u turn last night was pure crap. DTC's second year has certainly had its issues. |
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Hmmm not sure about being as bad. EE was unwatchable for Kirkwood/Newman era's. At least I can watch it again. DTC seems to have been complacent as some storyline are being dragged out and he is relying too much on them. I think it proves when he worked under Santer it was Santer who reigned him in because sometimes his storylines are too wacky or lack a decent conclusion.
He just needs to work out who he wants and ditch the rest. He has too many toys to play with and some characters are suffering as a result - Stacey, Ronnie, Denise, Masood etc... |
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I don't agree op. One poor episode doesn't make his overall good body of work disappear.
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I think he is doing ok overall. Storyblocking, length of stories and lack of interaction outside of family units is a bit of an issue but he does have some good ideas.
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I don't agree op. One poor episode doesn't make his overall good body of work disappear.
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I don't agree op. One poor episode doesn't make his overall good body of work disappear.
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He's nowhere near as bad as either of them. DTC has made the show watchable again - something it definitely wasn't under Kirkwood and Newman. 2010-13 will go down as the worst period in the show's history: the baby swap, the Shaggerman saga, the dreadful Brannings hogging the limelight, the Moon brothers, the Hartmans, Kirsty and Carl, the cold cuts, the snake, bingate, killing off Pat... I could go on. Kirkwood nearly killed the show with his unnecessary 'revamp' in 2010, and while I believe Newman tried her best to fix things she was massively out of her depth. The show under Kirkwood was offensively bad, and under Newman it was like watching paint dry.
DTC has greatly improved the show's overall quality, and it finally 'feels' like EastEnders again. The writing is much better; I actually care about the characters again. The longer-serving characters are getting the recognition they deserve (unlike under BK who was constantly trying to rewrite history) and there's been an injection of new faces too. The Mitchells and Beales in particular have shone in this era; the Lucy plot is one of the most exciting EastEnders has done in years, even if it is dragging on a bit. The Carters did dominate the show for too long, but I'm glad this has now been rectified. I don't think all of the new characters have worked, and there are some obvious issues with pacing, but I do appreciate the energy and enthusiasm that DTC has poured into the show. It's clear that he really cares about it. Not everything about this era is perfect, but it's definitely the most enjoyable EastEnders has been since about 2007. And considering how bad it got 3-4 years ago, that's a real achievement. |
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Exactly this! People were creaming themselves last week at the Kathy vs Sharon episode, then two weeks before with Shabnam and Kush. Not every episode is going to be a 8/10. I agree last nights scenes at the train station could of been better but I have seen far worse. With regards to the Lauren stuff, it was one duff duff, this isn't the end of the story lets wait before we decide. Anyone who says DTC is on Newman and Kirkwood levels obviously does not know Eastenders at all.
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Noone not even Stuart blackburn is as bad a Kirkwood
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First he started out quite good and thing we're looking promising, with the who killed Lucy story being great too at the start. Then I street to notice him shamelessly copying past Eastenders stories which he boasted that he would never do. Stuff like your big sister is actually your secret mum (kat&zoe/shirley&mick) and the who shot Phil (Ian: "again?") Just to name a few. That's when I started voicing my disapproval and concern. THEN he started overusing and favoriting and overusing the Carters above other characters in the show, which he said he wouldn't do - DTC: "it's not going to be the Carter show" and "everyone will get their chance to shine". that's when I noticed that he went back on two of his big promises and started to dislike him. Then things picked up again with the 'conclusion' of the who killed Lucy plot. I thought bringing back Kathy was bold and I'd have accepted it if the back story and quality of the reason was up there. I was less sure about the reveal of bobby as Lucy's killer but decided - even though I was a little disappointed - to see how it played out. Well, both stories dropped almost immediately after the live eps - something again DTC promised wouldn't happen like last time when Stacey was revealed as archies killer (and to top that off, I think the aftermath of the 25th was better handled still). Then the show went on this dull as Newman dishwater period with not much happening and weird character transplants that kirkwood would be proud of, like Stacey falling for Martin and and then wanting her best friends man, Kush. A few other notable transplants would be Charlie, abi and shabnam/Kush. Also there were just some tediously stupid decisions like kat not knowing she had twins etc. SO, then we returned to the who killed Lucy and Kathy alive stories months later and both were Crap. Kathy faked her death and left her boys to think she was dead, "all for a man". I mean what a cold heartless cow. And everyone is intent on keeping bobby secret in favour of max rotting in jail. Even his own daughter who knows he didn't do it!
There is so much more I could rant about. It really is bad. I'm going to go as far as to say DTC isn't much better than Kirkwood. Maybe even just as bad and certainly giving kirkwood and Newman a run for their money as worst ever Eastenders executive producers. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...ynHhvu0GBcoOPQ https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...PRLi2rk0pNV-_Q |
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I disagree OP. Kirkwood was awful for the show IMO and the show now is doing fine. I think DTC has been extremley positive for the show. I agree with you that Block Storytelling is a big issue and the Lucy storyline has become tedious and dragged out by now, I'm also not a fan of the Ronnie/Vincent pairing at all and think DTC's biggest mistake was with his own creation- Charlie.
But, overall things have been great recently for me, with the heartbreaking Shabnam stillbirth storyline, Kathy's return has been hotting up and im excited to learn more, Lee's depression storyline is been very well handled and acted... Yes last night wasn't great but it is only one episode. |
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I don't agree op. One poor episode doesn't make his overall good body of work disappear.
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Definitely better now than under the previous 2 regimes
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Piss off you patronising cretin.
If you are going to get wound up, and retort to offensive postings when someone highlights the fact they struggled to decipher your post, then my personal suggestion would be to try and insert paragraphs into your posts at the very least. That way, I wouldn't have to raise the issue, and you wouldn't have to resort to juvenile name calling etc. Its no big deal, I struggle with grammar, but out of courtesy to my fellow posters, I do at least make a concerted effort to break things up a little I'll await your apology for your frankly bizarre outburst. |
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He is really bad, storyline's dragged out and the endings are hugely disappointing. Even Louise Berridge would be a better producer.
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My entire post isn't about one episode. It's about his entire tenure.
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