Originally Posted by hownwbrowncow:
“As I said it wasn't just Katie - Natalie gave him grief in Week 4 about the constructive criticism he gave her, then in Week 5, Katie, Simon and Natalie were all being very condescending about his sales technique. And in Week 7 Katie was truly horrible to him.
Why did you think it was consistent with Sara? The only week she was picked on which we saw was Week 6, and I admit that was probably up there with the worst occasions of ganging up in the show's history.
I'm not sure about your point with Lord Sugar. Sara was commended in Week 7 following her trip to the boardroom in Week 6. I don't know Series 8 terribly well, and Lauren didn't mess up per se but I can see where you're coming from - she couldn't be the PM as there was Mark who also hadn't and he kind of constructed it so again she looked like she was resting on her laurels. But LS did state it was more due to her personality she was fired. She 'wasn't right for him.'”
I don't recall anything that Simon said. I recall that Natalie was really bad in Week 4 (she was thoroughly dishonest about the natural orange lolly thing, because the labels hadn't been printed yet when Adam told her) but I thought she was an okay Project Manager - she made mistakes with choosing the lip images, but in fairness the other team wanted those as well. I think in a way, Katie and Natalie were right about Adam - he was a better salesman than they were, but they were the ones who charmed the artist, and the fact that the artist turned out to be the wrong person to pick is irrelevant. If she'd been the right artist to pick, it would have been Katie and Natalie who were praised for that, not Adam. It wasn't right for her to bring Adam back into the boardroom because he sold the most, but I think this emphasises a flaw in the format actually. She was asked in an interview why she chose Adam over Katie, and she said, 'Because I knew that Katie wouldn't be fired.' I think this is something that needs thinking about - Lord Sugar says frequently that the Project Manager should choose who comes back based just on that task and nothing else, but sometimes that isn't the best tactic. If the two people who were the weakest on that task have been really good in the past, they aren't going to go. I think Natalie was going to be fired whoever she'd chosen actually, but as Katie had done better in all the tasks up until that point that Adam had (and he'd been losing PM the previous week), tactically he was a better scapegoat. Call that bullying if you like - I call it a problem with the format.
Oddly enough, in Week 5 Katie did exactly the thing that she'd criticised Adam for suggesting the previous week. In the sweets task, Katie was saying, 'Adam thinks that we should have a chat with the customers to break the ice before we try to sell, but that won't work. If you're going to get a no, you need to get that no quickly so you can move on to the next person.' I think she was right on that, so it's really strange that on the very next task she went into a such a soft sell mode.
The Sara thing - you probably remember Series 4 better than me because I've only seen the second half once, but I felt that what happened in Week 6 had a lasting impact. That was where she got the reputation for not doing very much, and once someone gets that reputation, it's very easy to play on that. She did well in Week 7, but in Week 8 I felt like she realised that they were all going to turn on her if they lost, and was trying desperately hard to stop them. That was why she was so pushy with her sales pitch - it wasn't how she normally was, but they had rubbish product and she realised that if she didn't sell she'd get the 'you don't do anything' treatment again, and that time Lord Sugar wouldn't be so understanding.