Why should it be scrapped? If you find it too much turn it off.
CCB Should Be Scrapped
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Seems an easier option for viewers with obvious mental impairments of hypochondriac munchausen by proxy, to simply stop watching.
The logical endpoint of that argument is televising anything which gets an audience, on the grounds that people can choose whether or not they want to watch it. Have you seen The Hunger Games?
Originally Posted by wildpark:
“You could save yourself time by just declaring yourself bemused.
It is immaterial in this instance how Janice arrived at her mental impairment.
As for the violence (and its inevitability given the set up) the fact it happened is all you need to know.
Not sure how I could be entertained by something that was not broadcast, but then again you admit to being bemused.”
“You could save yourself time by just declaring yourself bemused.
It is immaterial in this instance how Janice arrived at her mental impairment.
As for the violence (and its inevitability given the set up) the fact it happened is all you need to know.
Not sure how I could be entertained by something that was not broadcast, but then again you admit to being bemused.”
Okay, let's break this down so I am not losing the kernel of my response. You have been a fan for years - as have I, right from the beginning. The show has evolved, it is now fraught with confrontation, bad language and even worse behaviour - and still we watch. BOTS has been the best of any series this year. My wife and I recorded it and will watch later, but when we saw who was on we both said "is that a good idea".
In short, if you have watched the show as you suggest, and if you paid attention to who was on you knew what to expect. Why call for a program you clearly enjoy watching to be cancelled?
Originally Posted by GibsonSG:
“Why call for a programme you clearly enjoy watching to be cancelled?”
“Why call for a programme you clearly enjoy watching to be cancelled?”
Just because people are entertained by something does not justify it. Of course watching Janice getting verbally abused by somebody who (to me) clearly has psychopathic tendencies (an inability to empathize) is not the same as watching somebody burning to death, or getting their head cut off, but it is a matter of degree.
What I like about CBB Is still there, but the producers are degrading the concept to the point where it is degrading our sense of what it is to be a human being - desensitizing us to what is acceptable behaviour. Given the way they are running the show a fight in the studio was inevitable. Whether I personally watch it or not in future is irrelevant.
The point is should it be broadcast?
Originally Posted by wildpark:
“I am CBB's biggest fan, but after witnessing a vicious and sustained verbal assault on a 60 year old woman (with obvious dementia), by a 28 year old man (with obvious behaviour problems) broadcast in its entirety by Channel Five, and now violence in the studio afterwards, which was entirely predictable, among former housemates, it is time to scrap it.
Channel Five should lose its license.”
“I am CBB's biggest fan, but after witnessing a vicious and sustained verbal assault on a 60 year old woman (with obvious dementia), by a 28 year old man (with obvious behaviour problems) broadcast in its entirety by Channel Five, and now violence in the studio afterwards, which was entirely predictable, among former housemates, it is time to scrap it.
Channel Five should lose its license.”
Stop watching it then.
I agree with you in regards to Janice's obvious mental instability and possible early dementia, but this is what keeps the show afloat. This has probably been the craziest series yet and I bet it's been ratings gold. Good or bad, this is why people tune in. They don't care to see housemates getting along with eachother all the time and being civil. That would be...well, dullsville. BB cast the bottomfeeders of celebrities, and the more unstable, the better. Hell, remember Gary Busey? He has major BRAIN damage (from a horrific motorcycle accident, years ago) and he actually won that year!
Originally Posted by wildpark:
“The logical endpoint of that argument is televising anything which gets an audience, on the grounds that people can choose whether or not they want to watch it. Have you seen The Hunger Games?”
“The logical endpoint of that argument is televising anything which gets an audience, on the grounds that people can choose whether or not they want to watch it. Have you seen The Hunger Games?”
That sounds a little over the top. The Hunger Games is a dramatised exaggerated fantasy of a dystopian future, where people kill each other for viewing pleasure..
BOTS is a dramatised coming together of low rent celebrities, where feuds and disagreements are encouraged for our viewing pleasure.
Yes I understand what you are saying, but though last nights shenanigans could arguably have been prevented, they did involve grown adults and no deadly weapons were provided..
A slap on the wrist and a little more responsible production in the future would suffice.
I don't think you can draw realistic comparisons with the Hunger Games...yet.
Originally Posted by wildpark:
“ by somebody who (to me) clearly has psychopathic tendencies”
“ by somebody who (to me) clearly has psychopathic tendencies”
Oh my stars! 'Obviously', 'Clearly' ...I would respectfully suggest that watching people on Big Brother isn't the best clinical study for making your apparently unshakable pychiatric diagnosis of them! And out of interest, are these labels your giving them relevant to your stance? If you hadn't identified the clear signs of dementia and psychopathy in two of the participants would the events that distressed you no longer warrant a call for the shows immediate removal?
Originally Posted by KT_Dog:
“Oh my stars! 'Obviously', 'Clearly' ...I would respectfully suggest that watching people on Big Brother isn't the best clinical study for making your apparently unshakable pychiatric diagnosis of them! And out of interest, are these labels your giving them relevant to your stance? If you hadn't identified the clear signs of dementia and psychopathy in two of the participants would the events that distressed you no longer warrant a call for the shows immediate removal?”
“Oh my stars! 'Obviously', 'Clearly' ...I would respectfully suggest that watching people on Big Brother isn't the best clinical study for making your apparently unshakable pychiatric diagnosis of them! And out of interest, are these labels your giving them relevant to your stance? If you hadn't identified the clear signs of dementia and psychopathy in two of the participants would the events that distressed you no longer warrant a call for the shows immediate removal?”
She managed to fight her way through the series with Gary Busey, who was goaded in much the same manner despite being clearly mentally impaired and the Jade Goody year where they victimised a fellow housemate with racial slurs and was headline news on BBC as a result. Why the sudden change of opinion?
Originally Posted by KT_Dog:
“watching people on Big Brother isn't the best clinical study of them!”
“watching people on Big Brother isn't the best clinical study of them!”
Quite the opposite. Why do you think guests offering psychological insights into their behaviour are such a regular feature of the show.
Originally Posted by coke_pepper:
“She managed to fight her way through the series with Gary Busey, who was goaded in much the same manner despite being clearly mentally impaired and the Jade Goody year where they victimised a fellow housemate with racial slurs and was headline news on BBC as a result. Why the sudden change of opinion?”
“She managed to fight her way through the series with Gary Busey, who was goaded in much the same manner despite being clearly mentally impaired and the Jade Goody year where they victimised a fellow housemate with racial slurs and was headline news on BBC as a result. Why the sudden change of opinion?”
You start from the premise that the programme has always been about goading mentally impaired people. I do not accept your premise. But even if I was to accept your premise, it would hardly be a good argument for keeping the show on air.
As I recall Jade Goody was removed from the House because of her behaviour. Austin does not even seem to have received a warning. Spot the difference.
Originally Posted by wildpark:
“Quite the opposite. Why do you think guests offering psychological insights into their behaviour are such a regular feature of the show.”
“Quite the opposite. Why do you think guests offering psychological insights into their behaviour are such a regular feature of the show.”
Your confusing psychology with psychiatry there I fear. Judy James of course does deliver us plenty of staggering insights into the nuances of human behaviour by watching highlights of Celebrity Big Brother... and I would never take that away from her... But as far as I can recall she doesnt tend to offer many diagnosis of mental disorders.
Originally Posted by wildpark:
“As I recall Jade Goody was removed from the House because of her behaviour. Austin does not even seem to have received a warning. Spot the difference.”
“As I recall Jade Goody was removed from the House because of her behaviour. Austin does not even seem to have received a warning. Spot the difference.”
Gay housemates have always been allowed to get away with a lot more
Originally Posted by KT_Dog:
“Your confusing psychology with psychiatry”
“Your confusing psychology with psychiatry”
I am suggesting that Austin has psychopathic tendencies. I am not speculating about the cause, or possible cures. Maybe he can change, maybe he can't. I simply see evidence of a problem.
In the case of Janice I see evidence of mental confusion. Again I do not speculate what could be the cause. I simply observe her behaviour.
Originally Posted by wildpark:
“You start from the premise that the programme has always been about goading mentally impaired people. I do not accept your premise. But even if I was to accept your premise, it would hardly be a good argument for keeping the show on air.”
“You start from the premise that the programme has always been about goading mentally impaired people. I do not accept your premise. But even if I was to accept your premise, it would hardly be a good argument for keeping the show on air.”
Where did i make that statement. I gave two examples of series which had housemates on the receiving end of unsavory behaviour, one of which featured an individual who quite clearly had a mental impairment. You can't not accept a premise which quite clearly was never declared. Strange.
I'll try to be clearer this time regarding your request for the show to end. What is it about this series that makes it soo much worse than any that have gone before considering the foul language and targeting of individuals that has taken place on previous series?
Originally Posted by coke_pepper:
“She managed to fight her way through the series with Gary Busey, who was goaded in much the same manner despite being clearly mentally impaired and the Jade Goody year where they victimised a fellow housemate with racial slurs and was headline news on BBC as a result. Why the sudden change of opinion?”
“She managed to fight her way through the series with Gary Busey, who was goaded in much the same manner despite being clearly mentally impaired and the Jade Goody year where they victimised a fellow housemate with racial slurs and was headline news on BBC as a result. Why the sudden change of opinion?”
Maybe you ought to re-read your post.
Originally Posted by coke_pepper:
“What is it about this series that makes it so much worse than any that have gone before considering the foul language and targeting of individuals that has taken place on previous series?”
“What is it about this series that makes it so much worse than any that have gone before considering the foul language and targeting of individuals that has taken place on previous series?”
In my opinion they would not even have shown Janice having a seizure in previous series, never mind left Austin's verbal attack on her go without a warning.
Originally Posted by wildpark:
“I am suggesting that Austin has psychopathic tendencies. I am not speculating about the cause, or possible cures. Maybe he can change, maybe he can't. I simply see evidence of a problem.
In the case of Janice I see evidence of mental confusion. Again I do not speculate what could be the cause. I simply observe her behaviour.”
“I am suggesting that Austin has psychopathic tendencies. I am not speculating about the cause, or possible cures. Maybe he can change, maybe he can't. I simply see evidence of a problem.
In the case of Janice I see evidence of mental confusion. Again I do not speculate what could be the cause. I simply observe her behaviour.”
So to return to my previous question, are the disorders you believe you've identified in these participants an important factor in your belief the show should now be cancelled? Or would you suggest that channel 5 choosing to air footage of a 28 year old man aggressively screaming C**T at a 60 year old woman is probably reason enough on its own terms?
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“Gay housemates have always been allowed to get away with a lot more”
“Gay housemates have always been allowed to get away with a lot more”
Aaron wasn't
Originally Posted by wildpark:
“I am CBB's biggest fan, but after witnessing a vicious and sustained verbal assault on a 60 year old woman (with obvious dementia), by a 28 year old man (with obvious behaviour problems) broadcast in its entirety by Channel Five, and now violence in the studio afterwards, which was entirely predictable, among former housemates, it is time to scrap it.
Channel Five should lose its license.”
“I am CBB's biggest fan, but after witnessing a vicious and sustained verbal assault on a 60 year old woman (with obvious dementia), by a 28 year old man (with obvious behaviour problems) broadcast in its entirety by Channel Five, and now violence in the studio afterwards, which was entirely predictable, among former housemates, it is time to scrap it.
Channel Five should lose its license.”
CBB is a noose. No-one's head is forced into it. Everyone who signs up knows what he/she is getting into. And they get a cheque at the end of it. No sympathy.
Originally Posted by KT_Dog:
“So to return to my previous question, are the disorders you believe you've identified in these participants an important factor in your belief the show should now be cancelled? Or would you suggest that channel 5 choosing to air footage of a 28 year old man aggressively screaming C**T at a 60 year old woman is probably reason enough on its own terms?”
“So to return to my previous question, are the disorders you believe you've identified in these participants an important factor in your belief the show should now be cancelled? Or would you suggest that channel 5 choosing to air footage of a 28 year old man aggressively screaming C**T at a 60 year old woman is probably reason enough on its own terms?”
It is not either/or. The fact that Austin, a young male with obvious mental problems, was not reprimanded for aggressively shouting at a 60 year confused old woman are all factors. As a point of information what was most offensive is not the fact that he used the word "****".
Having been witness to a couple of occasions when one of my close family members had seizures as a result of illness, i never for a second assumed that what Janice had in the diary room was anything like a seizure. The rigidity and involuntary movement is very obvious and is quite different to what Janice presented in my eyes. I could well be wrong, but i can only draw from my own experience.
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