Originally Posted by StandByMe89:
“So, when will we see the footage?”
“So, when will we see the footage?”
Sadly, never. Especially if the law is now involved,
Janice threw the chair
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Originally Posted by Ænima:
“It was enough to injure someone so they needed medical treatment, that makes it more serious than just throwing wine at someone, which was the point I was making.”
“It was enough to injure someone so they needed medical treatment, that makes it more serious than just throwing wine at someone, which was the point I was making.”
..but we don't actually know that the initial throwing of the glasses caused her injury do we?
Vicki might have fallen on some of the glass after being pushed over in a scuffle or was accidently thwacked by Janice and her chair and fell onto it..or maybe she was trying to hold someone back who had picked up a broken glass and got hurt in the process..or maybe other glasses were thrown by other people...
..or she might simply have put her hand/foot etc on a piece of broken glass after the event and got a nasty cut.
We really have no idea how the injury happened.
We have reports saying Aisleyne was to blame/started it (from someone who was there), reports saying Farrah was to blame (from someone who says they were there), reports saying Farrah threw a glass, reports saying glasses were thrown (so Farrah might not have been the only glass thrower), reports saying Janice went chair crazy..and a report saying Aisleyne caused Vicki's injury (albeit coming from Aisleyne's arch enemy Helen Wood).
I'm sure they'll all have their own versions of the truth based on their own personal biases. It would be interesting if we could see the full video so we'd have the full picture..but I'm doubtful that will ever happen.
Originally Posted by StandByMe89:
“So, when will we see the footage?”
“So, when will we see the footage?”
We aren't going to see it. How can each of them, including BOTs spin the incident for their audience if it's captured on camera and people can refer back to the facts? It's not happening.
Originally Posted by Callous:
“..but we don't actually know that the initial throwing of the glasses caused her injury do we?
Vicki might have fallen on some of the glass after being pushed over in a scuffle or was accidently thwacked by Janice and her chair and fell onto it..or maybe she was trying to hold someone back who had picked up a broken glass and got hurt in the process..or maybe other glasses were thrown by other people...
..or she might simply have put her hand/foot etc on a piece of broken glass after the event and got a nasty cut.
We really have no idea how the injury happened.
We have reports saying Aisleyne was to blame/started it (from someone who was there), reports saying Farrah was to blame (from someone who says they were there), reports saying Farrah threw a glass, reports saying glasses were thrown (so Farrah might not have been the only glass thrower), reports saying Janice went chair crazy..and a report saying Aisleyne caused Vicki's injury (albeit coming from Aisleyne's arch enemy Helen Wood).
I'm sure they'll all have their own versions of the truth based on their own personal biases. It would be interesting if we could see the full video so we'd have the full picture..but I'm doubtful that will ever happen.”
“..but we don't actually know that the initial throwing of the glasses caused her injury do we?
Vicki might have fallen on some of the glass after being pushed over in a scuffle or was accidently thwacked by Janice and her chair and fell onto it..or maybe she was trying to hold someone back who had picked up a broken glass and got hurt in the process..or maybe other glasses were thrown by other people...
..or she might simply have put her hand/foot etc on a piece of broken glass after the event and got a nasty cut.
We really have no idea how the injury happened.
We have reports saying Aisleyne was to blame/started it (from someone who was there), reports saying Farrah was to blame (from someone who says they were there), reports saying Farrah threw a glass, reports saying glasses were thrown (so Farrah might not have been the only glass thrower), reports saying Janice went chair crazy..and a report saying Aisleyne caused Vicki's injury (albeit coming from Aisleyne's arch enemy Helen Wood).
I'm sure they'll all have their own versions of the truth based on their own personal biases. It would be interesting if we could see the full video so we'd have the full picture..but I'm doubtful that will ever happen.”
But that's why throwing a solid object is more serious, because it can cause serious injury. We know Farrah chucked a glass, so going on what we know, what she did was more serious than what Aisleyne did.
Originally Posted by Lurifax:
“I would be amazed if she had the strength to *throw* it - more prodded F with it, is my guess”
“I would be amazed if she had the strength to *throw* it - more prodded F with it, is my guess”
I have a vision similar to Mr Burns throwing a chair.
Originally Posted by rolergirl:
“"she just chucked the wine at her!...oh so thats alright then, why just because its wine and not a glass, is that excused?..and thn "farrah went berserk"... so would i, if someone told me to **** off back home, then chucked wine on me!”
“"she just chucked the wine at her!...oh so thats alright then, why just because its wine and not a glass, is that excused?..and thn "farrah went berserk"... so would i, if someone told me to **** off back home, then chucked wine on me!”
we don't know if it was the glass or its contents. I believe it was the glass as Farrah was too far away to get the contents that far. Vicky was in the middle that's why she got hit.
Originally Posted by Ænima:
“But that's why throwing a solid object is more serious, because it can cause serious injury. We know Farrah chucked a glass, so going on what we know, what she did was more serious than what Aisleyne did.”
“But that's why throwing a solid object is more serious, because it can cause serious injury. We know Farrah chucked a glass, so going on what we know, what she did was more serious than what Aisleyne did.”
We do not know this. The only thing we know is ghetto girl got up and threw something in Farrah's direction. Going on what I saw, ghetto girl should have been arrested.
Originally Posted by Vesna:
“we don't know if it was the glass or its contents. I believe it was the glass as Farrah was too far away to get the contents that far. Vicky was in the middle that's why she got hit.
We do not know this. The only thing we know is ghetto girl got up and threw something in Farrah's direction. Going on what I saw, ghetto girl should have been arrested.”
“we don't know if it was the glass or its contents. I believe it was the glass as Farrah was too far away to get the contents that far. Vicky was in the middle that's why she got hit.
We do not know this. The only thing we know is ghetto girl got up and threw something in Farrah's direction. Going on what I saw, ghetto girl should have been arrested.”
It does you no credit to keep calling her 'the ghetto girl' Vesna.
Originally Posted by Vesna:
“we don't know if it was the glass or its contents. I believe it was the glass as Farrah was too far away to get the contents that far. Vicky was in the middle that's why she got hit.
We do not know this. The only thing we know is ghetto girl got up and threw something in Farrah's direction. Going on what I saw, ghetto girl should have been arrested.”
“we don't know if it was the glass or its contents. I believe it was the glass as Farrah was too far away to get the contents that far. Vicky was in the middle that's why she got hit.
We do not know this. The only thing we know is ghetto girl got up and threw something in Farrah's direction. Going on what I saw, ghetto girl should have been arrested.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/i...ppened-6497636
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“It does you no credit to keep calling her 'the ghetto girl' Vesna.”
“It does you no credit to keep calling her 'the ghetto girl' Vesna.
”
You keep forgetting that you don't know me. And quite frankly you've posted disgusting vicious horrible things over the years and should be more concerned with how you post. Don't get personal with me, you have no moral authority to do so. She presents herself as ghetto girl and I can't be bothered to remember how to spell her name. Disgusting individual she should be sectioned.
Originally Posted by Ænima:
“But that's why throwing a solid object is more serious, because it can cause serious injury. We know Farrah chucked a glass, so going on what we know, what she did was more serious than what Aisleyne did.”
“But that's why throwing a solid object is more serious, because it can cause serious injury. We know Farrah chucked a glass, so going on what we know, what she did was more serious than what Aisleyne did.”
Farrah started off the show in a jolly mood talking about what a nice time she was having in London & how nice everyone was being to her.
Aisleyne was aggressive & confrontational from the start screaming "f*ck off home" amongst other things to Farrah, then threw a drink/glass at her...
Imagine if you were Farrah & someone you didn't know did this to you. You would ether start crying or get angry & defend yourself... and we all know going by Farrah's temperament which one it will be for her... and so did the producers, that's why they put Aisleyne on with her and prodded the situation with a stick until it exploded
The producers booked Aisleyne for the very reason to cause a fight. Rylan was even bragging about how volatile the situation was from the start.
Rylan - There are 3 ladies waiting to get their teeth into tonight's action & possibly eachother... we're just hoping there's going to be no rows tonight (he says sarcastically)
Rylan - She's a glamor puss who's always ready to roar and I think she's got her claws out, give it up for Aisleyne
Rylan - I'm dreading these words coming out of my mouth, Aisleyne do you miss Farrah being in the house
It was human bear baiting at it's most sickeningly obvious!
Farrah is not the villain here. BOTS themselves orchestrated what happened and the dumb thug Aisleyne was the willing protagonist
Originally Posted by Stellen11:
“So now we know. What a disgustlingly disturbed headcase. I hope her paycheck is rescinded and she is deported. Quickly.”
“So now we know. What a disgustlingly disturbed headcase. I hope her paycheck is rescinded and she is deported. Quickly.”
and other sources are saying Aisleyne was to blame which would fit in with what we saw for ourselves.
Originally Posted by Ænima:
“But that's why throwing a solid object is more serious, because it can cause serious injury. We know Farrah chucked a glass, so going on what we know, what she did was more serious than what Aisleyne did.”
“But that's why throwing a solid object is more serious, because it can cause serious injury. We know Farrah chucked a glass, so going on what we know, what she did was more serious than what Aisleyne did.”
More serious yes..but you also have to say her wrongdoing was a kneejerk reaction of anger in response to a pre-meditated assault by Aisleyne. A kneejerk reaction of anger to an attack on your person...is clearly always going to be more ill thought out/dangerous than a pre-planned attack.
I've always been a strong believer that if you throw the first punch (as it appears Aisleyne did by throwing the wine) you are largely responsible for what happens next (that's not to say you'll deserve what happens next...but you will be responsible for creating the situation).
Originally Posted by Callous:
“More serious yes..but you also have to say her wrongdoing was a kneejerk reaction of anger in response to a pre-meditated assault by Aisleyne. A kneejerk reaction of anger to an attack on your person...is clearly always going to be more ill thought out/dangerous than a pre-planned attack.
I've always been a strong believer that if you throw the first punch (as it appears Aisleyne did by throwing the wine) you are largely responsible for what happens next (that's not to say you'll deserve what happens next...but you will be responsible for creating the situation).”
“More serious yes..but you also have to say her wrongdoing was a kneejerk reaction of anger in response to a pre-meditated assault by Aisleyne. A kneejerk reaction of anger to an attack on your person...is clearly always going to be more ill thought out/dangerous than a pre-planned attack.
I've always been a strong believer that if you throw the first punch (as it appears Aisleyne did by throwing the wine) you are largely responsible for what happens next (that's not to say you'll deserve what happens next...but you will be responsible for creating the situation).”
Hmm, you called me disingenuous for saying someone had been glassed (to be fair, many of the reports used that word). I'd say it's disingenuous to equate someone throwing a punch at someone, to someone throwing wine over someone.
If someone punched me, I'd agree, punching them back is defending yourself. If someone threw wine at me, my first reaction wouldn't be to throw a solid object at them, it just wouldn't.
I don't agree you are largely responsible for what happens next if you provoke someone, that's ridiculous and no court would take this argument seriously. They may consider provocation, but the response has to be considered, and where do you draw the line with your argument anyway? There would be no line and you'd have people trying to justify terrible actions on little provocations.
Wow bots is more entertaining than the main show now Lool. I wonder whose side Janice was on. Though?
Originally Posted by Callous:
“More serious yes..but you also have to say her wrongdoing was a kneejerk reaction of anger in response to a pre-meditated assault by Aisleyne. A kneejerk reaction of anger to an attack on your person...is clearly always going to be more ill thought out/dangerous than a pre-planned attack.
I've always been a strong believer that if you throw the first punch (as it appears Aisleyne did by throwing the wine) you are largely responsible for what happens next (that's not to say you'll deserve what happens next...but you will be responsible for creating the situation).”
“More serious yes..but you also have to say her wrongdoing was a kneejerk reaction of anger in response to a pre-meditated assault by Aisleyne. A kneejerk reaction of anger to an attack on your person...is clearly always going to be more ill thought out/dangerous than a pre-planned attack.
I've always been a strong believer that if you throw the first punch (as it appears Aisleyne did by throwing the wine) you are largely responsible for what happens next (that's not to say you'll deserve what happens next...but you will be responsible for creating the situation).”
Exactly!!
If you get aggressive with someone then don't cry if it escalates.
If you throw the first punch then all bets are off.. I'm knocking your teeth out with a snooker cue
Originally Posted by ultros:
“Farrah started off the show in a jolly mood talking about what a nice time she was having in London & how nice everyone was being to her.
Aisleyne was aggressive & confrontational from the start screaming "f*ck off home" amongst other things to Farrah, then threw a drink/glass at her...
Imagine if you were Farrah & someone you didn't know did this to you. You would ether start crying or get angry & defend yourself... and we all know going by Farrah's temperament which one it will be for her... and so did the producers, that's why they put Aisleyne on with her and prodded the situation with a stick until it exploded
The producers booked Aisleyne for the very reason to cause a fight. Rylan was even bragging about how volatile the situation was from the start.
Rylan - There are 3 ladies waiting to get their teeth into tonight's action & possibly eachother... we're just hoping there's going to be no rows tonight (he says sarcastically)
Rylan - She's a glamor puss who's always ready to roar and I think she's got her claws out, give it up for Aisleyne
Rylan - I'm dreading these words coming out of my mouth, Aisleyne do you miss Farrah being in the house
It was human bear baiting at it's most sickeningly obvious!
Farrah is not the villain here. BOTS themselves orchestrated what happened and the dumb thug Aisleyne was the willing protagonist”
“Farrah started off the show in a jolly mood talking about what a nice time she was having in London & how nice everyone was being to her.
Aisleyne was aggressive & confrontational from the start screaming "f*ck off home" amongst other things to Farrah, then threw a drink/glass at her...
Imagine if you were Farrah & someone you didn't know did this to you. You would ether start crying or get angry & defend yourself... and we all know going by Farrah's temperament which one it will be for her... and so did the producers, that's why they put Aisleyne on with her and prodded the situation with a stick until it exploded
The producers booked Aisleyne for the very reason to cause a fight. Rylan was even bragging about how volatile the situation was from the start.
Rylan - There are 3 ladies waiting to get their teeth into tonight's action & possibly eachother... we're just hoping there's going to be no rows tonight (he says sarcastically)
Rylan - She's a glamor puss who's always ready to roar and I think she's got her claws out, give it up for Aisleyne
Rylan - I'm dreading these words coming out of my mouth, Aisleyne do you miss Farrah being in the house
It was human bear baiting at it's most sickeningly obvious!
Farrah is not the villain here. BOTS themselves orchestrated what happened and the dumb thug Aisleyne was the willing protagonist
”
To be honest, I thought Farrah had thrown something since loads of people were saying she had, if it turns out she hasn't, I would agree with you.
But since we know so little about what actually happened it seems, I will wait until we get the full story before I decide who I think was in the wrong. Seems a lot of people here are just blindly defending a housemate they like, regardless of what they have done.
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“It does you no credit to keep calling her 'the ghetto girl' Vesna.”
“It does you no credit to keep calling her 'the ghetto girl' Vesna.
”
I would love for people to define ghetto I I suspect their definition is based on a racist undertone.
Originally Posted by ultros:
“Exactly!!
If you get aggressive with someone then don't cry if it escalates.
If you throw the first punch then all bets are off.. I'm knocking your teeth out with a snooker cue”
“Exactly!!
If you get aggressive with someone then don't cry if it escalates.
If you throw the first punch then all bets are off.. I'm knocking your teeth out with a snooker cue
”
Don't get me wrong, if someone punched me, I'd defend myself. Just be careful with that attitude though, I mean I don't think it should ever be 'all bets are off'.
If someone punches you, you punch them back, and then they back off, you'd be fine in court- if you then go chasing them with a snooker cue and batter them to death with it, I doubt they'd be as favourable.
And since in this instance, we aren't even talking about a punch, but wine in the face, they'd be even less favourable. It's still assault, but it's not as serious as someone coming up to you and punching you.
Originally Posted by ultros:
“Exactly!!
If you get aggressive with someone then don't cry if it escalates.
If you throw the first punch then all bets are off.. I'm knocking your teeth out with a snooker cue”
“Exactly!!
If you get aggressive with someone then don't cry if it escalates.
If you throw the first punch then all bets are off.. I'm knocking your teeth out with a snooker cue
”
SMH
Originally Posted by gentleguy:
“I would love for people to define ghetto I I suspect their definition is based on a racist undertone.”
“I would love for people to define ghetto I I suspect their definition is based on a racist undertone.”
Isn't it effectively just a synonym for 'gangsta'? Sure, they both originate from Hip Hop , but as in all things to do with black culture they've been thoroughly appropriated by middle class white kids.
Originally Posted by gentleguy:
“Wow bots is more entertaining than the main show now Lool. I wonder whose side Janice was on. Though?”
“Wow bots is more entertaining than the main show now Lool. I wonder whose side Janice was on. Though?”
Janice was apparently fending Farrah off with the chair trying to stop her reaching Aisleyne, before Farrah and Jenna were forcibly removed from the studios by security.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/i...ppened-6497636
Originally Posted by gentleguy:
“I would love for people to define ghetto I I suspect their definition is based on a racist undertone.”
“I would love for people to define ghetto I I suspect their definition is based on a racist undertone.”
I think it's just the contemporary way to say "common".
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“Janice was apparently fending Farrah off with the chair trying to stop her reaching Aisleyne, before Farrah and Jenna were forcibly removed from the studios by security.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/i...ppened-6497636”
“Janice was apparently fending Farrah off with the chair trying to stop her reaching Aisleyne, before Farrah and Jenna were forcibly removed from the studios by security.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/i...ppened-6497636”
Thanks for the link. I've seen a few reports stating Farrah went crazy at Aisleyne and using the word 'glassed' to refer to what happened to Vicki. If she and Jenna had to be forcibly removed, that doesn't look too great for them, though I doubt this will go much further, they'll probably all reach some settlement... maybe
Originally Posted by ageappropriate:
“I think it's just the contemporary way to say "common".”
“I think it's just the contemporary way to say "common".”
Isn't that 'chav'?
[Aside: I do miss the word 'common', it has a quaint old-fashioned quality to it that somehow makes the inherant snootiness in its use amusing rather than obnoxious]
Originally Posted by gentleguy:
“Wow bots is more entertaining than the main show now Lool. I wonder whose side Janice was on. Though?”
“Wow bots is more entertaining than the main show now Lool. I wonder whose side Janice was on. Though?”
We don't need the footage to know the answer to that one. Janice was on Janice's side. Gotta protect the face of "the worlds first supermodel".
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