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Old 25-09-2015, 15:08
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I stand to be corrected but I think Lesley Garrett was a dance novice back in the day (she went on to continue lessons after her series) and probably over 45? Pamela Stephenson did very well but had had contemporary dance training and some ballet as a younger woman.
I have just watched some clips on you tube and stand by my comment, I realise she came third but Chistopher Parker came second. She appeared to be better at ballroom than Latin, but then you know Anton !

But even her ballroom would be week 1 or 2 these days hideously messy feet, no pointing, and an awful hold.
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Old 25-09-2015, 15:12
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I don't think Carole Smilie had any dance background and she managed about week 8 or 9?
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Old 25-09-2015, 15:25
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I don't think Carole Smilie had any dance background and she managed about week 8 or 9?
Week 9. It was a shorter series too.
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Old 25-09-2015, 15:29
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The forum seems very harsh this year and no one has even stepped up to dance yet . I think it's deeply unfair to label anyone neurotic on the basis of a minute or two of footage . We all have wobbles when learning anything .
I'm already utterly tired of the celebs being verbally beaten up before they've even danced ."Carol is neurotic. Daniel is boring and wears cardies .Peter looks into the camera too much and is short . Katie is too snooty ." Pre judging them I don't care if you think you 'know' them from the past and I don't care about crappy old press stories . This is a different ball game for them. Let them dance , let's watch them in training videos , and then judge from the combination , that's only fair .
Yes I've put a virtual £100 on Carol to be first out , but I like a flutter and it feels safe putting my money on a more mature lady who might find the going tough . Nothing to do with her personality or mental state .
Good post. Let's wait and see.
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Old 25-09-2015, 16:39
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The forum seems very harsh this year and no one has even stepped up to dance yet . I think it's deeply unfair to label anyone neurotic on the basis of a minute or two of footage . We all have wobbles when learning anything .
I'm already utterly tired of the celebs being verbally beaten up before they've even danced ."Carol is neurotic. Daniel is boring and wears cardies .Peter looks into the camera too much and is short . Katie is too snooty ." Pre judging them I don't care if you think you 'know' them from the past and I don't care about crappy old press stories . This is a different ball game for them. Let them dance , let's watch them in training videos , and then judge from the combination , that's only fair .
Yes I've put a virtual £100 on Carol to be first out , but I like a flutter and it feels safe putting my money on a more mature lady who might find the going tough . Nothing to do with her personality or mental state .
Well, you are a better person than me - because I can honestly say Widdy could have turned out to be a better dancer than Cyd Charisse and it still wouldn't have meant that I either changed my opinion of her non-Strictly persona or voted for her.
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Old 25-09-2015, 16:58
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i agree with you, last year Pixie was also a target of harsh comments on Facebook.

will you also please cheer for Georgia?
Absolutely I will . She is young and fit and dainty and should do well and will look stunning . Unless she turns out to be a real moaning minnie with a diva attitude I'll be cheering her on .
More often than not (though not always ) I tend to defend anyone getting severely bashed by people with agendas and I hate gang mentality , so bring it on .

Hmm....teaching the less talented.... Interesting.

I've been learning ballroom dance for a while and for me it was initially quite a challenge. I wasn't athletic. Slightly flat footed. I had no core strength. I was very self conscious. I couldn't hear the music. I really appreciate those teachers who helped me find that hidden ability and get me in a position where I am about to take my teaching exams. I haven't started teaching yet, but for me anyone who genuinely wants to learn will be worth teaching.

I've no idea yet whether Carol really wants to learn. Sometimes the slightly fluffy manner and giggling can hide nervousness and insecurity. I know from experience. The real difficulty with Strictly is its artificially limited and pressurised timeframe. It is, of course, what makes it entertaining too. She definitely doesn't look like a natural from the clips, but who knows?

I'm not convinced that ballroom is that much different from the other dance worlds. In ballroom there are still those who concentrate on the more talented students they can take to competitions, or at a higher level, coach. There are others (some very successful past competitors) who are very inclusive and encourage everyone to 'have a go' and enjoy themselves. The latter are golddust in my view, and I have always chosen my teachers based on both ability and that inclusive approach/attitude.
Well done you ! Everyone has a bit of dance in them and I think it deeply unfair to imply that some people are not worthy of teaching , when in reality they just learn at a different pace and are just as deserving of the lessons as that wonder-kid who knocks your socks off after just 3 lessons and nets every trophy available .
If everyone had that attitude (not worth bothering with that pupil) then there'd be no paralympics for goodness sake .I mean why bother (rolls eyes) .
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Old 25-09-2015, 17:09
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Well, you are a better person than me - because I can honestly say Widdy could have turned out to be a better dancer than Cyd Charisse and it still wouldn't have meant that I either changed my opinion of her non-Strictly persona or voted for her.
I find that sad . I understand not liking a contestant , but credit where it's due is my motto .
For example I watched Jamelia in the Bear Grylls series and disliked her intensely . Amid many claims to camera of being a strong woman she moaned and cried and huffed and puffed and complained and was truly terrible .But in the Strictly group dance on partnering night she was jolly good , so this is more her thing and I'm happy to forget the Bear Grylls stuff and give her a clean slate . Same with them all really . Day 1, no past transgressions taken into account .
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Old 25-09-2015, 17:13
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I'm afraid that, for me, sometimes their pre-Strictly persona is so strong that nothing they do on Strictly can ameliorate that. They are still the same person, just now able to dance a bit and while I've the choice I'll either vote for someone else or not at all.
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Old 25-09-2015, 17:36
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I'm afraid that, for me, sometimes their pre-Strictly persona is so strong that nothing they do on Strictly can ameliorate that. They are still the same person, just now able to dance a bit and while I've the choice I'll either vote for someone else or not at all.
One of the things I enjoy about the show is it's ability to change my mind about someone. Watching people learn, perform, build relationships, compete etc over a fairly long period is quite revealing. It's one of the reasons I miss seeing proper training room footage. In the early days, I think we saw a much less controlled/contrived version of events.

All that said, I agree with you about Widdy. There's not much she could have done on a dancing show that could ever negate what 'went before'.




Edit: I'm actually struggling to think of anyone off the top of my head who completely turned things around for me though (unless they were people I didn't know much about to begin with).
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Old 25-09-2015, 17:45
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Absolutely I will . She is young and fit and dainty and should do well and will look stunning . Unless she turns out to be a real moaning minnie with a diva attitude I'll be cheering her on .
More often than not (though not always ) I tend to defend anyone getting severely bashed by people with agendas and I hate gang mentality , so bring it on .



Well done you ! Everyone has a bit of dance in them and I think it deeply unfair to imply that some people are not worthy of teaching , when in reality they just learn at a different pace and are just as deserving of the lessons as that wonder-kid who knocks your socks off after just 3 lessons and nets every trophy available .
If everyone had that attitude (not worth bothering with that pupil) then there'd be no paralympics for goodness sake .I mean why bother (rolls eyes) .
no way that Georgia is a diva, she's a sweet, honest and down to earth person, and thank you Heather
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Old 25-09-2015, 18:02
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One of the things I enjoy about the show is it's ability to change my mind about someone. Watching people learn, perform, build relationships, compete etc over a fairly long period is quite revealing. It's one of the reasons I miss seeing proper training room footage. In the early days, I think we saw a much less controlled/contrived version of events.

All that said, I agree with you about Widdy. There's not much she could have done on a dancing show that could ever negate what 'went before'.




Edit: I'm actually struggling to think of anyone off the top of my head who completely turned things around for me though (unless they were people I didn't know much about to begin with).
Chelsee for me - when she came on the launch show saying she was 'single and ready to mingle' I remember thinking 'Oh God, hopefully she'll be first off' and she and Pasha went on to be one of my favourite couples ever - just loved them. But I suppose that was just a superficial bad first impression, not based on anything, rather than a long-standing objection to someone's actions - with someone like a politician it is different.

I completely agree with you on the training footage - the celebs are much much more protected now, we never hear if they ran out of the room in tears or got cross one day or anything, and I suppose they prefer that, but I think it makes my sense of my link to them much more superficial because they all seem blander. I never blamed them for finding it tough, I liked that.
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Old 25-09-2015, 18:06
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Very good but no.

I'd be more likely to see Katie Hopkins compliment Alison Hammond on her gorgeous figure.
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Old 25-09-2015, 18:22
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Hmm....teaching the less talented.... Interesting.

I've been learning ballroom dance for a while and for me it was initially quite a challenge. I wasn't athletic. Slightly flat footed. I had no core strength. I was very self conscious. I couldn't hear the music. I really appreciate those teachers who helped me find that hidden ability and get me in a position where I am about to take my teaching exams. I haven't started teaching yet, but for me anyone who genuinely wants to learn will be worth teaching.

I've no idea yet whether Carol really wants to learn. Sometimes the slightly fluffy manner and giggling can hide nervousness and insecurity. I know from experience. The real difficulty with Strictly is its artificially limited and pressurised timeframe. It is, of course, what makes it entertaining too. She definitely doesn't look like a natural from the clips, but who knows?

I'm not convinced that ballroom is that much different from the other dance worlds. In ballroom there are still those who concentrate on the more talented students they can take to competitions, or at a higher level, coach. There are others (some very successful past competitors) who are very inclusive and encourage everyone to 'have a go' and enjoy themselves. The latter are golddust in my view, and I have always chosen my teachers based on both ability and that inclusive approach/attitude.
Great post. Pasha is paid to get the best out of his partners, and I have no doubt he can and will do that with Carol, whether or not it meets the standards of others. I doubt he wants anyone's sympathy about it either.
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Old 25-09-2015, 18:53
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Oh for sure - and quite a lot of the best training parterships - in all walks of life - aren't bestest buddies. I suppose it comes down to do you want someone who likes you or someone who makes you better.
Dead right. You always talk sense aggs.

My teachers scared the hell out of me - and I was the better for it. Complete discipline and bloody hard work.
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Old 25-09-2015, 19:00
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Actually you are being very offensive. It's true we don't know who you are, but I think it's safe to assume no-one else is typing your posts for you. Therefore you yourself, from what can be read in your posts, are being offensive to Carol, people involved in ballroom dancing, other posters here, and me. You talk about being judged by people who don't know you? This is exactly what you are doing.

Anyway I have spent enough of my time debating with you.
No one asked you to debate with me. You waded in on your own. I'm not sure you understand the nature of forums, or the fact that people will not behave the way you want to them to - and they will have opinions that differ from yours.

I also have no idea what your last post means but it's really not a big deal. We can simply ignore those we wish to and I certainly do!
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Old 25-09-2015, 19:10
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No doubt as multitalented as you. . And for that matter a lot of us.
Well, he's an electrician I hire to fix things and pay by the hour. I have no idea if he is multi-talented or not. You'd have to ask his wife. I still call him Mr Harris and his well into his fifties. Maybe he's good at fly fishing? I wouldn't know.

You really have to get over yourself. I am sure you're good at something or other?
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Old 25-09-2015, 19:12
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Dead right. You always talk sense aggs.

My teachers scared the hell out of me - and I was the better for it. Complete discipline and bloody hard work.
Really ? I'd never subject any of my kids to a dance teacher who "scared the hell" of them . But each to their own .
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Old 25-09-2015, 19:14
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no way that Georgia is a diva, she's a sweet, honest and down to earth person, and thank you Heather
How do you know? That's a lot to get from a video

I think she's a gorgeous looking girl, but not the sharpest tool in the box and she needs to work on her leg strength.

She looks good with her partner, the Italian pro. I hope she can focus long enough to work on what she's got.
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Old 25-09-2015, 19:27
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Dead right. You always talk sense aggs.

My teachers scared the hell out of me - and I was the better for it. Complete discipline and bloody hard work.
Is that the one size fits all school of teaching methodology? I expect your methods might have become a little more sophisticated if you'd have taught for any length of time, but as I recall you taught for two years, was it, starting while you were still in your teens and finished at 21?

I do have a very retentive memory and I'm pretty sure I recall the last time your teaching creds were subject to discussion that that's what you posted. I do apologise if I'm mistaken.
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Old 25-09-2015, 19:31
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How do you know? That's a lot to get from a video

I think she's a gorgeous looking girl, but not the sharpest tool in the box and she needs to work on her leg strength.

She looks good with her partner, the Italian pro. I hope she can focus long enough to work on what she's got.
Actually that's a lot to get from a brief first steps video and 10 seconds of rehearsal .
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Old 25-09-2015, 20:59
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No one asked you to debate with me. You waded in on your own. I'm not sure you understand the nature of forums, or the fact that people will not behave the way you want to them to - and they will have opinions that differ from yours.

I also have no idea what your last post means but it's really not a big deal. We can simply ignore those we wish to and I certainly do!
There you go again being judgmental and rude. That is what my last post meant. Ignore it, I'm not bothered.
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Old 25-09-2015, 21:00
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[quote=Heatherbell;79788774]Actually that's a lot to get from a brief first steps video and 10 seconds of rehearsal .

Very true.
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Old 25-09-2015, 21:01
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Well, he's an electrician I hire to fix things and pay by the hour. I have no idea if he is multi-talented or not. You'd have to ask his wife. I still call him Mr Harris and his well into his fifties. Maybe he's good at fly fishing? I wouldn't know.

You really have to get over yourself. I am sure you're good at something or other?
And again. Why don't you get over YOUR self.
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Old 25-09-2015, 21:34
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Hmm....teaching the less talented.... Interesting.

I've been learning ballroom dance for a while and for me it was initially quite a challenge. I wasn't athletic. Slightly flat footed. I had no core strength. I was very self conscious. I couldn't hear the music. I really appreciate those teachers who helped me find that hidden ability and get me in a position where I am about to take my teaching exams. I haven't started teaching yet, but for me anyone who genuinely wants to learn will be worth teaching.

I've no idea yet whether Carol really wants to learn. Sometimes the slightly fluffy manner and giggling can hide nervousness and insecurity. I know from experience. The real difficulty with Strictly is its artificially limited and pressurised timeframe. It is, of course, what makes it entertaining too. She definitely doesn't look like a natural from the clips, but who knows?

I'm not convinced that ballroom is that much different from the other dance worlds. In ballroom there are still those who concentrate on the more talented students they can take to competitions, or at a higher level, coach. There are others (some very successful past competitors) who are very inclusive and encourage everyone to 'have a go' and enjoy themselves. The latter are golddust in my view, and I have always chosen my teachers based on both ability and that inclusive approach/attitude.
Great post, and it's great to hear you've done so well, best of luck to you with the teaching too.
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Old 25-09-2015, 22:18
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Is that the one size fits all school of teaching methodology? I expect your methods might have become a little more sophisticated if you'd have taught for any length of time, but as I recall you taught for two years, was it, starting while you were still in your teens and finished at 21?

I do have a very retentive memory and I'm pretty sure I recall the last time your teaching creds were subject to discussion that that's what you posted. I do apologise if I'm mistaken.
Oddly stalky post.

Really this forum is exactly that a place to discuss things I wasn't aware it was a gang up on others.

Many people will have different ideas and we are all allowed to state them.

I find it really odd that there are a few people on here stating everything is sweetness and light, when I am sure they get equally irritated.

As for the person who brought in the para olympics, shame on you. If you can't see the difference you really don't know much about disability.

Just for your information that are irritating disabled people and some of them would not be able to dance because of their attitude rather than their disability.
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