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Old 24-09-2015, 12:59
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Good post, makes a lot of sense.

I felt very uncomfortable with the way he spoke to her last night, and the night before - eviction night after Janice had left - when she was saying she felt left out and fancied having a drink (live feed probably), she went out into the garden in a bit of a state and Stevie had to be told (I think by Natasha) to go after her as he was just sat there gormlessly whilst she struggled. He finally grabs his glass of wine (couldn't help but laugh at that) and goes after her reluctantly.

He is such a plank. That bit is not an act!
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Old 24-09-2015, 13:02
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When her beloved Janice left Chloe didn't even try to cry. Too busy dancing around celebrating being in the final.
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Old 24-09-2015, 13:02
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He is such a plank. That bit is not an act!
Haha! No, definitely not an act.
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Old 24-09-2015, 13:06
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No it makes her worse! It's one thing to fake romance when they can both stand all the kissing and petting that might come with it, it's quite another to agree to it when it's making your flesh crawl! She would snuggle up to a slug if it gave her precious airtime and made her famous, which is all she has craved since she was a young teenager. That makes her much worse than him in my opinion. I can't stand him either, but don't let's paint her as some unwilling victim of a farce. Of the two I would say she has had the better education and would be the brains behind any fake romance, not him, he strikes me as his lift doesn't go all the way to the top floor.
So our gruesome twosome are the Slug and Lettuce.
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Old 24-09-2015, 13:16
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I buy that Chloe & Stevi are in a relationship. It is a relationship based on their mutual need for adulation & fame & has nothing to do with romance or love. The fake Stevi "Ooo Chlo.........aaah oooo, yes" BS is sickening & it's good to see Chloe has enough integrity to not pretend that the dual toilet visits are anything more than another part of their fake act.

If Eamon had said anything more about their relationship then I believe the strain on Chloe would have been too much. I'm no expert, but I have plenty of knowledge & experience of mental health issues. While both she & Stevi have a need to be loved by the general public, I feel Chloe's needs could be better dealt with by a good counsellor. Stevi seems to wants adulation because it's a way of making easy money & rather than being a happy go lucky kinda guy, all I see is a slimy sleaze ball. His behaviour on last night's show when telling Chloe he wanted to sleep in "Bobz" bed & saying he wanted a week away from her, was horrible. It was deliberately hurtful on the night Janice left & said it would seem for no reason than because he apparently felt edgy. More likely it is because after Eamon's comments, he has realised the relationship plan has failed & was probably blaming it on Chloe's faux crying. Sorry mate but the vast majority of viewers realised the fakery from the start.
Good and interesting post. I completely agree with you that Chloe has issues that go beyond the typical BB fragile ego and need for adoration. That's why I don't like seeing FMs be so harsh about her. It seems clear to me that she has issues beyond her current control.

Re. their relationship...I like your take on it. I've been trying to calibrate my thoughts on that, because for 3 weeks I was convinced it was a fauxmance (and I've NEVER suspected any BB HM of a fauxmance before, that's how non-cynical I usually am) but recently it's seemed like a very real dysfunctional co-dependant thing.

The way I see it, their relationship is a business arrangement. But having been forced by the BB experience into intimacy for 4 weeks, and given that they're in a stressful environment, they've gone from 'method acting' into something appropriating real; they've formed some kind of bond and now it's breaking apart as they've got to know each other more. Like a fauxmance equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome. So what I'm seeing now is that she really does depend on him and is needy, and he really is holding the power cards, irritated by her and completely out of his depth with her alcoholism (he seems obliviously unsupportive for someone who's been engaged to her for months).
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Old 24-09-2015, 13:33
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I buy that Chloe & Stevi are in a relationship. It is a relationship based on their mutual need for adulation & fame & has nothing to do with romance or love. The fake Stevi "Ooo Chlo.........aaah oooo, yes" BS is sickening & it's good to see Chloe has enough integrity to not pretend that the dual toilet visits are anything more than another part of their fake act.

If Eamon had said anything more about their relationship then I believe the strain on Chloe would have been too much. I'm no expert, but I have plenty of knowledge & experience of mental health issues. While both she & Stevi have a need to be loved by the general public, I feel Chloe's needs could be better dealt with by a good counsellor. Stevi seems to wants adulation because it's a way of making easy money & rather than being a happy go lucky kinda guy, all I see is a slimy sleaze ball. His behaviour on last night's show when telling Chloe he wanted to sleep in "Bobz" bed & saying he wanted a week away from her, was horrible. It was deliberately hurtful on the night Janice left & said it would seem for no reason than because he apparently felt edgy. More likely it is because after Eamon's comments, he has realised the relationship plan has failed & was probably blaming it on Chloe's faux crying. Sorry mate but the vast majority of viewers realised the fakery from the start.
There's a couple of things I'm not sure of. Are you saying that Eamon and BB know that Chloe couldn't take anymore so held back or was it just a lucky break? I think making it so personal when it was actually the pair that were voted the most fake was far more damaging. Like I said in my post earlier Stevi seemed particularly spiteful towards her after this like he was trying to distance himself from the fake one.

Also what do you mean that Chloe at least has enough integrity to not pretend that the toilet visits are anything more than another part of their fake act? Isn't she just playing her part and at least acting like she has her mouth full

Good post, makes a lot of sense.

I felt very uncomfortable with the way he spoke to her last night, and the night before - eviction night after Janice had left - when she was saying she felt left out and fancied having a drink (live feed probably), she went out into the garden in a bit of a state and Stevie had to be told (I think by Natasha) to go after her as he was just sat there gormlessly whilst she struggled. He finally grabs his glass of wine (couldn't help but laugh at that) and goes after her reluctantly.
Can't remember if it was last night's highlights or LF now but Natasha was again telling him to be there for an upset Chloe and he agreed and before he jumped up to go to her he downed about a pint of wine from a huge glass. It just looked SO wrong
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Old 24-09-2015, 13:44
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There's a couple of things I'm not sure of. Are you saying that Eamon and BB know that Chloe couldn't take anymore so held back or was it just a lucky break? I think making it so personal when it was actually the pair that were voted the most fake was far more damaging. Like I said in my post earlier Stevi seemed particularly spiteful towards her after this like he was trying to distance himself from the fake one.

Also what do you mean that Chloe at least has enough integrity to not pretend that the toilet visits are anything more than another part of their fake act? Isn't she just playing her part and at least acting like she has her mouth full
Euwww, it's lunchtime trev!

Can't remember if it was last night's highlights or LF now but Natasha was again telling him to be there for an upset Chloe and he agreed and before he jumped up to go to her he downed about a pint of wine from a huge glass. It just looked SO wrong
It really did. It was almost comically inappropriate. It takes a lot on BB to make my mouth drop open nowadays, but that was one moment.

He was such a major league arse on last night's show... the combination of hearing someone say 'Stevi to win' and hearing Eamon suggest that Chloe is the 'fake one' really went to his [pea]brain.
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Old 24-09-2015, 13:48
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Euwww, it's lunchtime trev!



It really did. It was almost comically inappropriate. It takes a lot on BB to make my mouth drop open nowadays, but that was one moment.

He was such a major league arse on last night's show... the combination of hearing someone say 'Stevi to win' and hearing Eamon suggest that Chloe is the 'fake one' really went to his [pea]brain.

God, that was so cringe. And then the 'fanks' and thumbs up....Good Lord.
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Old 24-09-2015, 14:04
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Euwww, it's lunchtime trev!

It really did. It was almost comically inappropriate. It takes a lot on BB to make my mouth drop open nowadays, but that was one moment.

He was such a major league arse on last night's show... the combination of hearing someone say 'Stevi to win' and hearing Eamon suggest that Chloe is the 'fake one' really went to his [pea]brain.
Was she wiping her mouth when she came out or did I just imagine that Sorry

Pea brain I like it. I think when his pea brain remembered that they have to win as a couple he went back to being nice to her. Clearly Stevi is gross and crass and just very, very awful but almost because Chloe isn't that bad I find her worse. If she has even an iota of dignity, intelligence or self respect what is she doing
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Old 24-09-2015, 14:13
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Whoever decided (the producers or Eamon) to stir the pot by highlighting Chloe's crying as a chief cause was pretty malevolent IMO. She's clearly got some very real mental health issues and to make a person who's already struggling even more vulnerable was disgusting.

Chloe's tears certainly aren't one of the reasons I'd vote them fake. Apart from the weirdness of the relationship, as people I find Stevi far less authentic than her. In fact, I can't think of a single thing I like about the guy.
You are so right about stevie so glad others can see it

If Chloe is so mentally ill what is she doing in the bb house?

Its not an asylum although watching the interview with Janice maybe I should take this back?
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Old 24-09-2015, 14:23
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So our gruesome twosome are the Slug and Lettuce.
I'll have you know Chloe-Jasmine would never call anybody foliage
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Old 24-09-2015, 14:38
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There's a couple of things I'm not sure of. Are you saying that Eamon and BB know that Chloe couldn't take anymore so held back or was it just a lucky break? I think making it so personal when it was actually the pair that were voted the most fake was far more damaging. Like I said in my post earlier Stevi seemed particularly spiteful towards her after this like he was trying to distance himself from the fake one.

Also what do you mean that Chloe at least has enough integrity to not pretend that the toilet visits are anything more than another part of their fake act?

Isn't she just playing her part and at least acting like she has her mouth full

Can't remember if it was last night's highlights or LF now but Natasha was again telling him to be there for an upset Chloe and he agreed and before he jumped up to go to her he downed about a pint of wine from a huge glass. It just looked SO wrong
Ick!

Although simultaneously brushing her teeth was either a huge continuity faux pas or a circus act. Not sure which. Perhaps they are preparing their act for BGT.
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Old 24-09-2015, 15:14
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Ick!

Although simultaneously brushing her teeth was either a huge continuity faux pas or a circus act. Not sure which. Perhaps they are preparing their act for BGT.
Ok either my hearing is rubbish or my imagination has run away with me Did you hear her brushing her teeth whilst Stevi was going 'ohh ahh' etc Are you sure she was brushing her teeth

My God I demand a camera in the toilet now. They don't deserve any dignity, they are on BB.
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Old 24-09-2015, 15:18
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For a start, that survey didn't ask why we thought a particular housemate was fake ... it just asked who was the most fake

Yet when Holmes disclosed that it was Stevie and Chloe Jasmine, he went on to say it was because Chloe never shed tears when she 'cried'

Bull

People have, indeed, noted that Chloe 'dry-cries' but the real reason viewers voted them most fake was because of their patently false 'love'

So why didn't Holmes even touch on that ?
he's in on the 'pretend they're a real couple fgs' thing then

When they were sat together on the sofa, before the Eviction of Jenna and Janice, Cloe reached out and was touching Stevie's arm (there was a bit of space between them) and Stevie said "you don't have to do that" and Cloe said something like "but I love you" or wtte - and then I'm sure I heard Stevie say " you know that's not true", did anyone else catch that ?
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Old 24-09-2015, 15:20
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I'll have you know Chloe-Jasmine would never call anybody foliage

that was just the strangest thing I've ever heard,
she's such a drama queen

and after the evictions she said to Stevie "I'm feeling melancholy",
to which Stevie replied "what does that mean?"

she's on another planet, no wonder she got on with Janice so well !
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Old 24-09-2015, 15:26
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he's in on the 'pretend they're a real couple fgs' thing then

When they were sat together on the sofa, before the Eviction of Jenna and Janice, Cloe reached out and was touching Stevie's arm (there was a bit of space between them) and Stevie said "you don't have to do that" and Cloe said something like "but I love you" or wtte - and then I'm sure I heard Stevie say " you know that's not true", did anyone else catch that ?

I caught it....but just assumed it was part of the act since he had heard that Chloe was faking tears.....he was doubting her love and questioning it being real. Honest to God, these two make the TOWIE lot look like Olivier and Leigh!
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Old 24-09-2015, 17:30
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Old 24-09-2015, 18:21
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For a start, that survey didn't ask why we thought a particular housemate was fake ... it just asked who was the most fake

Yet when Holmes disclosed that it was Stevie and Chloe Jasmine, he went on to say it was because Chloe never shed tears when she 'cried'

Bull

People have, indeed, noted that Chloe 'dry-cries' but the real reason viewers voted them most fake was because of their patently false 'love'

So why didn't Holmes even touch on that ?
I'm not surprised. BB always do this. It's the way in which they distort and manage information in order to create propaganda.
It's certainly not the first time they've misrepresented a situation by taking a small sliver of truth and making that the main point. They do this a lot.
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Old 24-09-2015, 18:28
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For a start, that survey didn't ask why we thought a particular housemate was fake ... it just asked who was the most fake

Yet when Holmes disclosed that it was Stevie and Chloe Jasmine, he went on to say it was because Chloe never shed tears when she 'cried'

Bull

People have, indeed, noted that Chloe 'dry-cries' but the real reason viewers voted them most fake was because of their patently false 'love'

So why didn't Holmes even touch on that ?
The real reason people think they were fake was neither anything as specific as dry tears nor anything as general as "false love". I think it was a collection of things, but probably most keyed into how much like a bad romance novel everything they said to each other was. Like it was... scripted. Badly. By amateurs going over it together weeks before they came onto a show where they wanted screen time.
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Old 24-09-2015, 18:34
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I'm not surprised. BB always do this. It's the way in which they distort and manage information in order to create propaganda.
It's certainly not the first time they've misrepresented a situation by taking a small sliver of truth and making that the main point. They do this a lot.
It's their truth.
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Old 24-09-2015, 18:35
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I buy that Chloe & Stevi are in a relationship. It is a relationship based on their mutual need for adulation & fame & has nothing to do with romance or love. The fake Stevi "Ooo Chlo.........aaah oooo, yes" BS is sickening & it's good to see Chloe has enough integrity to not pretend that the dual toilet visits are anything more than another part of their fake act.

If Eamon had said anything more about their relationship then I believe the strain on Chloe would have been too much. I'm no expert, but I have plenty of knowledge & experience of mental health issues. While both she & Stevi have a need to be loved by the general public, I feel Chloe's needs could be better dealt with by a good counsellor. Stevi seems to wants adulation because it's a way of making easy money & rather than being a happy go lucky kinda guy, all I see is a slimy sleaze ball. His behaviour on last night's show when telling Chloe he wanted to sleep in "Bobz" bed & saying he wanted a week away from her, was horrible. It was deliberately hurtful on the night Janice left & said it would seem for no reason than because he apparently felt edgy. More likely it is because after Eamon's comments, he has realised the relationship plan has failed & was probably blaming it on Chloe's faux crying. Sorry mate but the vast majority of viewers realised the fakery from the start.
I appreciate that many on this thread agree with you, however I don't.

Integrity and Chloe Jasmine...in the same sentence does not sit well with me whatsoever.

You are praising her for not showing her disgust at the "toilet" episode. The whole of their appearance in CBB has been a repulsive, fake, pseudo romance and I cannot abide either of them. Their pi*s take to the public is in itself an affront and those folloish enough to buy it, deserve all they get.

To absolve her in this wanabee scenario is quite frankly ridiculous.
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Old 24-09-2015, 19:07
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I feel kind of sorry for them; they're getting slated for being fake on the one hand and keep getting saved by the public vote on the other. It must be head-wrecking.
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