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Old 24-09-2015, 20:27
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So the Charlie thing has got us talking. In most cases when we aren't shown anything or sometimes it involves characters who aren't even around Walford.

Den Watts and Kathy Beale being the most major examples.

More recently there was mystery surrounding whether Mick killed Dean during the live episode. He returned a couple of months later. Until this day we don't know what happened to Jake Moon. There's a character who probably should've come back when they expanded the Moon family in 2011. Now there's no point, but I think they left the door open for him. Unless it's like Paul/Patrick and Dot identifies his body.

BUT....Paul Trueman's death was not on screen and Patrick identified his body.

So in terms of EE, Charlie could be in one of these categories. I believe tonight was Declan Bennett's last episode, so unless he makes an unannounced appearance down the line, it'll remain a mystery until the truth comes out. I think Vincent changing his clothes and that wallet in the dumpster are red herrings.

The off screen "death" is a device that has been used in other soaps too. Happened very recently in Emmerdale with Ross Barton. It was to the point the actor tweeted about his departure. He came back soon after.

Last year on Hollyoaks, Mercedes McQueen was apparently "murdered". It was all an elaborate set up in the end and a ploy to get someone else in trouble.
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Old 24-09-2015, 20:29
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Old 24-09-2015, 20:30
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He's obviously alive.

1) it was broad daylight
2) Vincent kept his clothes opposed to getting rid of them
3) The wallet was thrown in a bin on the square..
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Old 24-09-2015, 20:31
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Charlie won't be dead - it's nice to leave it open in this way and remain a mystery.
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Old 24-09-2015, 20:33
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yeah. Charlie is alive. He'll turn up the moment the Hubbards take on the Mitchells
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Old 24-09-2015, 20:36
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Interesting post from The_abbott in another thread (hope he doesn't mind if I quote it):

Vincent and Claudette are planning something against the Mitchells. Charlie is alive and been told to stay away
This is a really good theory actually. If DTC is smart he will go down this route. Remember when Claudette said that Phil Mitchell would get what's coming to him after he beat the crap out of Vincent? Maybe Vincent is using Ronnie to get to Phil in some way. Charlie is being let off the hook now since he's now against Ronnie. Perhaps Vincent told Charlie of his plan off screen and paid him off with a big fat sum of money.
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Old 24-09-2015, 20:42
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Cindy Sr's death was off screen but wasn't a mystery, she died whilst giving birth to Cindy Jnr.
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Old 24-09-2015, 20:51
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The strangest one was Rosemary Sinclair's 'death' in Emmerdale. Rosemary went missing completely out of the blue and after a while the villagers starting finding little hints and clues that she'd in fact been murdered. It was then revealed through her son Grayson (we didn't actually see her though) that she had faked the whole thing in order to frame her stepson Matthew who she loathed. However a further twist saw it revealed that she had killed herself for real whilst in hiding after faking her death! With this also occurring off-screen I thought it was a double bluff and looked forward to her Kim Tate style return from the dead but it sadly never happened. We never actually saw her die, we never even saw her leave the village. We were simply told she had left, then told she had been killed, then told she had faked it, then told she was dead again. It was most bizarre.
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Old 24-09-2015, 20:51
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I find it weird how, in daylight, they chucked Charlie's wallet in the bin on the square. Carl also did this with a photo of Shirley and Heather before Shirley disappeared. Can't they atleast get the evidence totally away from the square! Somehow Billy managed to put Lucy's photos in the bin in broad daylight without anyone noticing!
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Old 24-09-2015, 20:52
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Interesting post from The_abbott in another thread (hope he doesn't mind if I quote it):



This is a really good theory actually. If DTC is smart he will go down this route. Remember when Claudette said that Phil Mitchell would get what's coming to him after he beat the crap out of Vincent? Maybe Vincent is using Ronnie to get to Phil in some way. Charlie is being let off the hook now since he's now against Ronnie. Perhaps Vincent told Charlie of his plan off screen and paid him off with a big fat sum of money.
Seems a bit far fetched. I mean Claudette seems to be pissed off Vincent is having a fling with Ronnie. And why would Charlie buy this story even if it was true? Ronnie still has his son and he's meant to just stay away?
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Old 24-09-2015, 20:55
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Seems a bit far fetched. I mean Claudette seems to be pissed off Vincent is having a fling with Ronnie. And why would Charlie buy this story even if it was true? Ronnie still has his son and he's meant to just stay away?
True. Unless Vincent is seeing Ronnie behind Claudette's back but has plans of his own to get back at the Mitchells. Kind of like the end justifying the means.
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Old 25-09-2015, 13:11
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Didn't Andy Hunter also have one liked him.
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Old 25-09-2015, 13:17
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Seems a bit far fetched. I mean Claudette seems to be pissed off Vincent is having a fling with Ronnie. And why would Charlie buy this story even if it was true? Ronnie still has his son and he's meant to just stay away?
Vincent could have promised to sort out Ronnie and get his son back for him as long as he helps fake his death and disappears for a while.
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Old 25-09-2015, 13:21
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I believe Charlie is alive and he will make another appearance in the near future. There is likely something planned. It's too risky for Vincent and Ronnie to have murdered Charlie. There would be blood everywhere which means they would have to scrub her house inside out to eliminate any evidence of him being there.
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Old 25-09-2015, 13:24
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I believe Charlie is alive and he will make another appearance in the near future. There is likely something planned. It's too risky for Vincent and Ronnie to have murdered Charlie. There would be blood everywhere which means they would have to scrub Dot's house of evidence.
Yeah and in daylight and in little to no time at all.
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Old 25-09-2015, 13:47
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The strangest one was Rosemary Sinclair's 'death' in Emmerdale. Rosemary went missing completely out of the blue and after a while the villagers starting finding little hints and clues that she'd in fact been murdered. It was then revealed through her son Grayson (we didn't actually see her though) that she had faked the whole thing in order to frame her stepson Matthew who she loathed. However a further twist saw it revealed that she had killed herself for real whilst in hiding after faking her death! With this also occurring off-screen I thought it was a double bluff and looked forward to her Kim Tate style return from the dead but it sadly never happened. We never actually saw her die, we never even saw her leave the village. We were simply told she had left, then told she had been killed, then told she had faked it, then told she was dead again. It was most bizarre.
That was a weird one, sounds like they wanted to do more with the character but axed actress Linda Thorson for diva behaviour, so tried to still use Rosemary albeit less effectively as an off-screen character
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Old 25-09-2015, 13:52
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Didn't Andy Hunter also have one liked him.
No, he was pushed off a footbridge by Johnny Allen onto a dual carriageway. We saw that happening.
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Old 25-09-2015, 13:54
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No, he was pushed off a footbridge by Johnny Allen onto a dual carriageway. We saw that happening.
Ahhh god yes i remember now... i miss him.
still would like to know about Jake Moon though.
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Old 25-09-2015, 13:56
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Ahhh god yes i remember now... i miss him.
still would like to know about Jake Moon though.
Same. Jake was a really good character. There was a chance to bring him back when they expanded the Moon family after Alfie returned in 2010. Jake and Michael could've had some entertaining scenes.
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Old 25-09-2015, 14:06
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Same. Jake was a really good character. There was a chance to bring him back when they expanded the Moon family after Alfie returned in 2010. Jake and Michael could've had some entertaining scenes.
Exactly him and Michael were probably the best Moon men.
I liked Jake, didn't like it when he had to look after the brat that was Ruby though i was so happy he turned on her in the end though.
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Old 25-09-2015, 14:52
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He's obviously alive.

1) it was broad daylight
2) Vincent kept his clothes opposed to getting rid of them
3) The wallet was thrown in a bin on the square..
But this is DTC we are talking about. It doesn't matter how reasonable your post is, He could still be dead depending on how DTC wants the storyline to be.
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Old 25-09-2015, 17:32
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Interesting post from The_abbott in another thread (hope he doesn't mind if I quote it):



This is a really good theory actually. If DTC is smart he will go down this route. Remember when Claudette said that Phil Mitchell would get what's coming to him after he beat the crap out of Vincent? Maybe Vincent is using Ronnie to get to Phil in some way. Charlie is being let off the hook now since he's now against Ronnie. Perhaps Vincent told Charlie of his plan off screen and paid him off with a big fat sum of money.
Yep I said something similar in another thread. I just don't understand the obsession Vincent has with Ronnie. We were led to believe that Vincent was coming in as some big Villain but there has been hardly anything. Surely Vincent has too much to lose by doing these little jobs for Ronnie. I would like to see that he is playing her. Roxy has his wallet as it was dumped. It isn't going to take her long to notice something isn't right and that her crazy sister and sidekick have done something wrong. Would Vincent really be such a sloppy killer. Nick came back at Halloween maybe Charlie will come back this Halloween "ello grandma"
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