He didn't want it to though. He wanted to insult and hurt her as much as he could. It was ugly, and saying, 'oooh she wouldn't mind' is no excuse.

cheers Blue -
Did any of the Brits use the C word, I can't remember, - the Americans seem to use it with such ease, it was bit disturbing !

They all said Janice was bit bonkers, and a nightmare to live with, (except Chloe-Jasmine), she wound Austin up I think, and no excuse, it's a terrible word ,just the worst, but the Americans seem to use it a lot. Janice did come across as very manipulative and seasoned at reality tv shows. Austin did apologise to her though, but they were as bad as eachother for bad language and slinging insults.

I agree- and I thought James was very manipulative and remember,he was on the Apprentice afterall,- he's smart and a forward thinker, I think he was bit of a schemer and knew how to push Austin's buttons, and as you say, he had an idea how to get a negative reaction from Austin which would show Austin in a bad light - he knew Austin was his competition.

I think Austin will be disappointed, as I think James will drop him as a mate, as his use to him is over. Not until after they've done the mags together wearing speedos, of course !

I disagree. He lost his temper & said some terrible things. When you're as angry as Austin was, I would imagine he wouldn't have been capable of planning on how to hurt her. He simply lost the plot, apologised & everyone accepted it.
I genuinely don't see the big issue. Different if he said it repeatedly to everyone.


Not that I remember.
Yes the Americans in the House had no problem letting the c word roll off their tongues.

And the thing is, they're probably having a good old laugh about it now

chris did with the famous "im going to chin the next americant **** i see"

Just read your post & agree re James plotting to gain himself votes & lose Austin a few along the way. He played a good game so fair play but I didn't like him from day one & my feelings never changed.


Forgot about Chris saying it but you could see him cringe when it was played back to him in an interview.

Ah, yes he did
I forgot about that- that was bit of a shocker !
foul, and probably got the dull bloke evicted.

Both the winner and runner up were a joke. But that's just standard for Big Brother. Tolerance is unashamedly given towards violence and thuggery if one happens to be "funny" or a pretty boy. The place is a joke.

James wasn't a thug or violent, and neither was Austin. The language he used wasn't unique either this year, I'd like to have heard BB give a warning to any HM using the C word, but that didn't happen sadly.

Who was violent?

I don't vote as I don't care enough & I suspect a lot of people the same, so who wins isn't necessarily down to who the majority of the public think deserves to win, just those who vote.

If we'd got the chance to know Sherrie, Gail & possibly Daniel a bit better, I think on an entertainment level, along with Austin, these would have been my top 4, they all have a story to tell & I like to hear interesting conversations.
I think the producers are far too focused on rows, fights & animosity.

I'd like to have seen Daniel stay a lot longer than he did, I think that was very unfortunate he went first, he was overlooked on final night too I thought, he must have felt like a spare part, he looked like he couldn't wait to leave. Sherrie was predictably boring, nice lady, but so boring, potted plant, - the show had to focus on James and Austin's conversations and antics , certainly after Farrah and Jenna left because any footage of the Brits that were left probably wasn't worth showing, embarrassing really.

A lot is made about Austin's use of that word, which he apologised profusely about.
But most people have either forgotten, or conveniently swept the fact under the carpet, that Janice had used that word against people in the house but never apologised for it.

I'd actually forgotten that she used it until they showed a clip last night (either the final or BOTS) of her saying it to Austin!

For me, bad profanity during a fight is never acceptable, but if we were going to crucify housemates on that basis alone, then we'd be kicking them out the house before they even unpacked their cases.

He had a bit of a meltdown, said some awful things, and very soon after apologised for them. It was very much like watching the last straw breaking the camel's back that day. He's never condoned his behaviour and language, just his reasoning behind why he lost his cool.

He is a contemptible human being, and those who are so keen to defend him are just as contemptible in my eyes. In some ways he was the worst of the Americans in that house, but because he cried, and did a poor me speech just before the end, people feel they got entertainment value out of him. He completed the dramatic arc and so earned his fee.

Janice is not a sympathetic character (none of them were) but anybody with eyes could she she was upset by his vicious bullying. She got paid and will tell herself that it is just a job, but you really have to be tone deaf not to notice the significance of her "I still have to work with Austin" speech. It meant she found the whole episode disturbing.

I cannot say I found it disturbing, it simply confirmed my misanthropy (I think humans are nasty stupid selfish animals as a rule - Channel Five producers certainly seem to work on that assumption) and so the fact that many people applaud Austin is no surprise. Your support for him tells me as much about you as CBB told me about him.

By the way, as is the way with these programmes the producers have picked a nice guy to front it. Rylan is leaning what a nasty business show business is; let us hope he is too stupid to notice how it is corrupting him. After all he has a mortgage to pay now (on that house he showed off onThrough the Keyhole) and he is doing what he always dreamed of doing - except in those dreams it was not as grubby.

I find those who have personality clashes with individuals, say terrible things and then show embarrassment and remorse significantly less contemptible than those who wish to cast sweeping and immovable judgements on huge swathes of people using the flimsiest and most suspect of qualifications.

Clearly you have a bee in your misanthropic bonnet about Austin but I'd look to the way you demonise so many others before you criticise him for momentarily demonising one.

How noble of you. Except he didn't show remorse, only self pity (which presumably you think is the same as contrition) giving himself blank cheques for further episodes of spite if (as will surely happen) he once again feels slighted, or frustrated, or has had a little too much to drink.

I do not have a bee in my bonnet about Austin, I see him for what he is; a narcissistic thug with the emotional maturity of a five year old. So brave of him to attack Chloe and Janice.

What a sorry excuse for a man.

That's a real sense of proportion there. Someone says a few nasty things to a selfish, self absorbed and inconsiderate housemate and that leads to suggesting the destruction of the entire human race. It's a TV show. Not a dead 3 year old on a beach or pushing people off buildings because they are gay.

You may be right that some may be over egging it, but plenty, including you, are playing it down too far.

It wasn't 'a few things', it was many things, many times, and, from what Natasha said, and I see no reason for her to lie, Austin was shouting and railing at Janice and James for four days, not constantly perhaps, but a lot. And we SAW his aggressive hectoring, and the final verbal assault, which was ugly, not nothing, not 'a few words', not 'what she deserved'.

And he finally realised he was acting TERRIBLY, and that's what he admitted to, and understanding that is why he had the meltdown.

Now some think that the crying and talking about his brother and his mother etc. made them feel he did genuinely REGRET, acting like an ahole, but he acted like an ahole, thats' indisputable I'm afraid.

And some think that he just did some shtick he's been doing for years, be nasty, go on and on and on, have a confrontation or three and then break down and say sorry and they dont' believe him, or they think he's childish and self indulgent.

And some think that on balance, they believe him.

But that's up to them, we don't really know.

I like Austin, but think he's sort of 'arrested', and needs to work out his issues.

Because he did act very badly indeed, and he had reason to regret his behaviour.

I didn't sweep it under the carpet, I remember it well, also the 'spitting' incident which I found disgusting and I said so on here but what Austin said to Janice wasn't just about the 'c' word, there was so much more.

Absolutely this. He had an argument with someone and said some nasty things in the heat of the moment. This isn't some great crime. I think most people in some time in their life have had a falling out with someone. I can't say I've ever used the words that Austin used, but I've certainly said some mean things because I knew they would hurt the person I was arguing with. Afterwards I felt guilty and ashamed, because that wasn't me, I was just upset and the anger came out the wrong way. That's what I saw and related to with Austin. Yes, he lost it for a minute, but he was genuinely sorry and disgusted by his behaviour.

He 'didn't lose it for a minute', he spoke to other members of the house, as well as to Janice very aggressively and unpleasantly and he kept the Janice stuff up for a long time.

Saying he only 'lost it for a minute' just won't wash, that was just the WORST bit.

And he regretted ALL of it, not just the outburst.

Or at least I HOPE so, and I'm going to read it like that.

He and Janice didn't get on since the beginning. They were both unpleasant to each other equally. The fights he had with other members of the house were all related to Janice for the most part.

It was definitely getting agitated through that whole few days. No one just blows up like that on one small thing, so when I say 'lost it for a minute' I'm talking about the part which everyone is referring to in terms of his behaviour; when he was in the bedroom with Janice and called her the C word etc. That's the part which most people who are criticizing his actions (as am I!) are referring to. I agree, he regretted anytime he was rude in the house, which is a lot more than most housemates you see.