The way he spoke to her, he meant every word imo. When you are angry it all pours out as it did with Austin. I couldn't care whether the 'c' word hurt her or not, it was rest that disturbed me.

I know we're going round in circles but, I agree he meant it however he then regretted it.

Anyway you said you agreed that Janice had a foul mouth but that doesn't excuse Austin and it was that I was responding to.

He may have regretted saying it, he was still thinking it.

Who would say the things he said if he wasn't disturbed in some way?

But people ain't making excuses as far as I can see. People are saying that yes he was in the wrong but they are able to move on from the situation as the people involved have. Austin apologised there's nothing more that can be done and going on about it isn't going to change that.

Austin is a complicated character I think Bobby said it best the day after the last nominations when he said "We nominated him because of this, he throws tantrums and his toys out of the pram but at the same time he has a lot of positive qualities and I do enjoy spending time with him." I also think it says a lot that none of the housemates have been negative about Austin since they left and most have said that he's one of the ones they'd like to stay in contact with.

Yeah, I totally agree with you. Austin may be many things and have many flaws, but one of them isn't being calculating. He is in fact the complete opposite of that and quite impulsive (which can sometimes be to his detriment). He wears his emotions out on his sleeve. Some people may like that, some may hate it, but his bad behaviour has never been premeditated. He clearly hates himself for his behaviour and dislikes that side of himself, more than anyone else could.

Nothing against Bobby ( I thought he played a good game), but his nomination of Farrah was totally calculated. It's pretty irrelevant if you think the things about her are true or not. It did it calmly and had obviously put a lot of thought into his wording, he knew it would hurt. Bobby seemed to love playing the nemesis to Jenna and Farrah, he relished it and took every opportunity to mock and belittle them. It wasn't a blast of emotive anger because someone had hurt your feelings, it was manipulative. Again though, fair play to him, he did it, did it well and I think he'll get a lot of material for his shows from it. That part of his character didn't make me relate or like him as a person though.


I'm not really understanding the use of the term 'disturbed'. It seems like a very negative generalised word. Austin is suffering with his grief, I think that's been clear and he obviously has anxiety, which is what leads to his behaviour. He has to manage these things and then his behaviour will get better, I'm sure out the house that will be easier to do,

Which things, specifically? Because I'm fairly sure he didn't say anything worse than several other people in the house over the course of the season. Off the top of my head...

C-word = Janice/Chris
Targeted hurtful things = Bobby/Jenna/Farrah
Gotten Angry and/or aggressive = Janice/Jenna/Farrah/Natasha

...and yet somehow a collection of posters seem to be ferociously focussing on Austin while they move on from the others with nary a backward glance. Which makes me wonder what exactly it is about Austin that warrants this focus of ire. It's double standards imo.

This is what you said "He is very disturbed and I am surprised that he is being excused. Well actually I'm not surprised, it's par for the course on here." I was replying to the underlined bit when I said 'Yes there are people on here that are compassionate and clever and capable of making judgments using all of the information at hand.'

And if you truly think he is disturbed I'm surprised you're not a bit more compassionate. I thought he meant what he said and was trying to hurt Janice

Very good point. His HMS like him despite his failings and have forgiven him, even Janice so why on earth are some on here unable to move on from it

Because they judge him differently, and I'm afraid Austin's behaviour makes that perfectly justifiable.

I understand that but it occurred to me that if the HMs like him and forgive him and have easily moved on, even Janice, what exactly is this different judgement based on We have less information than the HMs and aren't personally involved or invested and yet some of us cannot forgive or forget or move on it seems. It just seems odd when you think about it.

And your afraid of his behaviour because he lives next door to you? You regularly meet him? I think you might need to actually step outside and look around?
Do you know how ridiculous that sounds your afraid of someone you watched on a reality tv programme?

I tried to make the same point last night. It's kind of like someone having a furious row with a friend, the friend says some terrible unplanned things which they deeply regret, they apologise afterwards & the apology is accepted immediately with no hard feelings, then a complete stranger who doesn't know the full story intervenes accusing the friend of being all sorts.
It makes no sense whatsoever, if the person on the receiving of the abuse can forgive & forget, how can people who are unaware of all the facts not do the same.

Are you British?

That's a figure of speech, meaning 'regretfully that's how it is'.

Actually you didn't say BIB, you clearly said, I & others who were willing to look at the bigger picture re Austin were contemptible, big difference.

Do not let me stop you awarding yourself medals for your "bigger picture" enlightenment. Nothing you have said however persuades me to agree with your view of Austin.

Why the need for smart/sarcastic replies?

Can you not simply disagree with me? Re Austin, persuading you to like him was the last thing on my mind, I was giving my opinion of him as were other FMs & some of them disliked him, others liked him. Fair's fair.

You clearly loathed him & of course you have every right to express your opinion. I just don't get why you have to get personal with people who disagree with you.