Whoever the backroom staff are, I have not got a clue but would guess they are young, not done much in TV, sycophants and probably have not been true fans of BB from the early days. I recall Rylan saying bye to the Creative Manager, so that is one down and hope we see an improvement. The editing sucks and we seem to be missing out. The focus is on the negative and overkill on certain housemates as we saw with Jenna and Farrah (yawn). They have no imagination with the selection of housemates and have got it wrong for this year. They stopped the bit on the psych with Rylan and Iain Lee, should have been on earlier and perhaps a Sunday evening. Bots extra at weekends this series should have included the audience's comments.
Big Brother needs a complete revamp.
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Tomlinso:
“He did actually work on the last civilian series on channel 4 as a main producer...”
“He did actually work on the last civilian series on channel 4 as a main producer...”
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Well the creative director Denis O'Connor has left (pushed?) after just five months in the role, so that's a start.”
“Well the creative director Denis O'Connor has left (pushed?) after just five months in the role, so that's a start.”
he was the producer on the last Civilian BB? I would say he was pushed , hope we see a big improvement and whoever takes over they can't do any worse.
I agree with many points above.
I think phone voting should be free.
I haven't voted for years and I always feel sad for those who did spend 50p+ of their hard-earned cash. If it really is "you decide" then wouldn't it be fun to really be able to participate.
They throw money around on other areas, eg the celeb fees & they must get plenty of income from all the advertising sources. Maybe even the phoneline could be sponsored by a company.
I also think having a bit of livefeed available makes such a difference, I assume they don't have it anymore because of the crew going in & out the house so much.
Personally I think they could save money by scrapping the BB website. I don't want exclusive clips, I'd rather they put any good bits on the main show. The clips are spoilers anyway, I'd rather just watch the main show once a day without all the "news" before the show.
I think phone voting should be free.
I haven't voted for years and I always feel sad for those who did spend 50p+ of their hard-earned cash. If it really is "you decide" then wouldn't it be fun to really be able to participate.
They throw money around on other areas, eg the celeb fees & they must get plenty of income from all the advertising sources. Maybe even the phoneline could be sponsored by a company.
I also think having a bit of livefeed available makes such a difference, I assume they don't have it anymore because of the crew going in & out the house so much.
Personally I think they could save money by scrapping the BB website. I don't want exclusive clips, I'd rather they put any good bits on the main show. The clips are spoilers anyway, I'd rather just watch the main show once a day without all the "news" before the show.
I agree. BUT I don't have a problem with CBB. Maybe it's because it's shorter so there is less time to make huge mistakes. But the regular BB needs to be made with much more caution. CBB IMO gets away with it. I have found CBB more enjoyable on C5 than on C4.
But the regular series is a shadow of what it used to be. The only well above average series for me was BB14.
We know Dennis has already gone, this was his only CBB. He did BB16 and CBB16. But seems like he's gone now. Makes me wonder what they will be doing, to have him only for 1 series of each with him lasting barely 12 weeks together means they may want to do a big change.
But I don't know what the change will be. Are we talking a new format? A new studio/set, new rules? etc...
I've always thought Italian BB was good in its format. BUT it wouldn't work here. First of all, UK TV will never allow 1 programme to air for over 4 hours on a night. Italian BB starts at around 8:20pm and goes on well beyond midnight at times. In those 4 hours there is the host showing the HMs clips of the past week and discussing them, with possibly outside stories about them on other shows/interviews etc... (this would not go down well here with the whole outside influence), then they do the shopping task, the eviction, the interview, nominations for the next week, and surprises either with fam/friends members/twists/new rooms etc...
The Hls are on for like 20 mins a day at 6pm Italian time. So most of the footage is shown on the Thursday eviction/nom/live show.
That wouldn't go down well here, it's too long for a night. Plus, it usually throws the outside rule out the window completely. Also BB is more unfair.
In a couple of series, HMs (faves chosen by the public) would be able to make people immune etc... (that's not meddling at all compared to whats next), and at times, BB has purposely said "These people will be immune this week" because BB/production are allowed to have favourites. In one series, BB made one person immune for like 4 weeks just because they liked her.
Those wouldn't go down well.
BBUK is probably the least meddling-ish series across the world. But if we want format change, it may be something like that.
The set needs to be changed as it hasn't since it moved to C5. I reckon there should be two floors in the house (and not just a pesky DR at the top), actual 2 floor house.
I'd probably be younger than most of the staff there, but not to big myself up, I'd make changes for the better. The tasks I could come up with would be much better.
But the regular series is a shadow of what it used to be. The only well above average series for me was BB14.
We know Dennis has already gone, this was his only CBB. He did BB16 and CBB16. But seems like he's gone now. Makes me wonder what they will be doing, to have him only for 1 series of each with him lasting barely 12 weeks together means they may want to do a big change.
But I don't know what the change will be. Are we talking a new format? A new studio/set, new rules? etc...
I've always thought Italian BB was good in its format. BUT it wouldn't work here. First of all, UK TV will never allow 1 programme to air for over 4 hours on a night. Italian BB starts at around 8:20pm and goes on well beyond midnight at times. In those 4 hours there is the host showing the HMs clips of the past week and discussing them, with possibly outside stories about them on other shows/interviews etc... (this would not go down well here with the whole outside influence), then they do the shopping task, the eviction, the interview, nominations for the next week, and surprises either with fam/friends members/twists/new rooms etc...
The Hls are on for like 20 mins a day at 6pm Italian time. So most of the footage is shown on the Thursday eviction/nom/live show.
That wouldn't go down well here, it's too long for a night. Plus, it usually throws the outside rule out the window completely. Also BB is more unfair.
In a couple of series, HMs (faves chosen by the public) would be able to make people immune etc... (that's not meddling at all compared to whats next), and at times, BB has purposely said "These people will be immune this week" because BB/production are allowed to have favourites. In one series, BB made one person immune for like 4 weeks just because they liked her.
Those wouldn't go down well.
BBUK is probably the least meddling-ish series across the world. But if we want format change, it may be something like that.
The set needs to be changed as it hasn't since it moved to C5. I reckon there should be two floors in the house (and not just a pesky DR at the top), actual 2 floor house.
I'd probably be younger than most of the staff there, but not to big myself up, I'd make changes for the better. The tasks I could come up with would be much better.
Originally Posted by Oliver_Tomlinso:
“is italian bb a big show?, I mean does it do well ratings wise?...”
“is italian bb a big show?, I mean does it do well ratings wise?...”
Live show audience (so just the Thursday night audience, previously Monday night) as they are the only ones that count, from Series 1 to last series:
S1- 9.82m
S2- 8.00m
S3- 8.00m
S4- 8.44m
S5- 6.86m
S6- 6.51m
S7- 5.57m
S8- 5.46m
S9- 6.63m
S10- 6.16m
S11- 5.43m
S12- 3.85m
S13- 4.12m
So the only worrying drop was from S1 to S12. After S13, they rested it for 2 years and it began on Thursday. Not sure what the launch got though.
Either way, impressive figures. S5 was considered the BB4 of Italy. It was really poor and started the decline but I think was still getting around 20% of the audience. S1 and S2 reached 60% audience shares at times. It's probably at the 25% range still.
I wish it would go back to channel 4 or least try to be like the way the channel 4 series were and they had more interesting people.
Originally Posted by mysty211:
“I wish it would go back to channel 4 or least try to be like the way the channel 4 series were and they had more interesting people.”
“I wish it would go back to channel 4 or least try to be like the way the channel 4 series were and they had more interesting people.”
In regards to CBB. I think the selection on C4 was worse than C5. On C5 we get quite a few big characters. The bigger stars we got on C4 ended up being so disappointing, and looking back at CBB1, CBB2, CBB5, CBB6 and CBB7, there were a lot of terrible casting. Maybe not 1 and 2 (even though 2 was dull beyond belief), but most of the people on CBB6 and CBB7 were just there.
Taking out CBB8 and CBB11, the CBBs on C5 have had better selection. On C5, they get the selection spot on with the ages and background
Such a shame that variety goes out the window for the regular series. They need interesting people with varied backgrounds/
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“In regards to CBB. I think the selection on C4 was worse than C5. On C5 we get quite a few big characters. The bigger stars we got on C4 ended up being so disappointing, and looking back at CBB1, CBB2, CBB5, CBB6 and CBB7, there were a lot of terrible casting. Maybe not 1 and 2 (even though 2 was dull beyond belief), but most of the people on CBB6 and CBB7 were just there.
Taking out CBB8 and CBB11, the CBBs on C5 have had better selection. On C5, they get the selection spot on with the ages and background
Such a shame that variety goes out the window for the regular series. They need interesting people with varied backgrounds/”
“In regards to CBB. I think the selection on C4 was worse than C5. On C5 we get quite a few big characters. The bigger stars we got on C4 ended up being so disappointing, and looking back at CBB1, CBB2, CBB5, CBB6 and CBB7, there were a lot of terrible casting. Maybe not 1 and 2 (even though 2 was dull beyond belief), but most of the people on CBB6 and CBB7 were just there.
Taking out CBB8 and CBB11, the CBBs on C5 have had better selection. On C5, they get the selection spot on with the ages and background
Such a shame that variety goes out the window for the regular series. They need interesting people with varied backgrounds/”
I agree yeah the CBB ones have been better the celebrities they've chosen. It's the regular series of Big Brother they don't pick the best interesting characters.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Well the creative director Denis O'Connor has left (pushed?) after just five months in the role, so that's a start.”
“Well the creative director Denis O'Connor has left (pushed?) after just five months in the role, so that's a start.”
Great news, he couldn't even run a tuck shop, let alone be creative as creative director. He was useless to be honest and very weak at his role.
Originally Posted by mysty211:
“I wish it would go back to channel 4 or least try to be like the way the channel 4 series were and they had more interesting people.”
“I wish it would go back to channel 4 or least try to be like the way the channel 4 series were and they had more interesting people.”
Seems to me the modern day producers don't actually give a shit what we want, it's all about what they interpret as maximising revenue, it's very sad to see that this show is run by entrepreneurs who don't have a clue.
Originally Posted by orangeballoon:
“no it doesnt....
the last 3 years have been great.
some people dont like it but the good thing is there are 200 other channels and likely something on them they would like doing what they like already.”
“no it doesnt....
the last 3 years have been great.
some people dont like it but the good thing is there are 200 other channels and likely something on them they would like doing what they like already.”
This tbh. The summer series was rubbish this year but you can't hit every one out of the park. The last run of CBBs have been amazing imo, the best this show has ever put together. BB15 is under rated online and BB14 was a very strong series too. People complain too much online.
The biggest improvement it could make is to automatically exclude the professional BB contestant types. You know the sort, early to mid 20s either big boobs or 6-pack, London/estuary accent, think themselves a bit hard and they say things like "all my friends tell me I'm mad", and basically anyone else who looks like they get tanked up on cheap booze from a Colchester branch of Lidl.
The problem is that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Decent and interesting people won't apply because they don't want to take part in it because of what the show has become precisely because of the sort of people they consistently stuff the house with.
The CBB series are routinely more engaging because there tends to be more diverse a contestant range than in normal BB where they seem to just scout people whose only ambition in life is to "be famous"
The problem is that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Decent and interesting people won't apply because they don't want to take part in it because of what the show has become precisely because of the sort of people they consistently stuff the house with.
The CBB series are routinely more engaging because there tends to be more diverse a contestant range than in normal BB where they seem to just scout people whose only ambition in life is to "be famous"
Denis O'Connor has a new job already...working for a production company alongside a former TOWIE director. I'm saying nothing.
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