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Android the monopoly
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finbaar
27-09-2015
Utter bucking follocks. And there is NO logic. In the USA Apple have a 50% market share. And Google provide AOSP for all. There are hundreds of millions of Android devices in the world with no Google appsapps. Fire tablets are also amazingly successful. Google don't even stop manufacturers bundling there own app stores on certified devices, Samsung do it.

And why does someone think Tizen has been abandoned???
kidspud
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Have you actually read the thread?

The mystery is why Intel and Samsung seem to be pulling it. As long said/predicted by some Russian blogger, but that is immaterial. It is open for debate as to why.

Just like the news story, now said to be happening about Google being pulled up in the USA for monopoly practices.”

what evidence is there that this is happening? What do you mean by pulling it?
ThisGuysGood
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“what evidence is there that this is happening? What do you mean by pulling it?”


You're going to need faith in the fact even though he abuses other forum members and tells a lot of lies. The average user now knows he is a liar and a bully. Do not get banned because of him.
kidspud
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by ThisGuysGood:
“You're going to need faith in the fact even though he abuses other forum members and tells a lot of lies. The average user now knows he is a liar and a bully. Do not get banned because of him.”

It's ok, you can't get banned for asking a question

In fact when debating I find it best to clearly understand what someone is claiming. I've no doubt the AW will be able to provide an answer
alanwarwic
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by finbaar:
“Utter bucking bollocks......
And why does someone think Tizen has been abandoned???”

It seems to be about the services, and that no one else is competing for them, maps a case in point. Thus the monopoly. I could be way wrong there, media info is/was scanty.

Samsung launched a Tizen phone early 2014, we have seen nothing since. It does appear abadoned there, but not for IOT stuff.
kidspud
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“It seems to be about the services, and that no one else is competing for them, maps a case in point. Thus the monopoly. I could be way wrong there, media info is/was scanty.

Samsung launched a Tizen phone early 2014, we have seen nothing since. It does appear abadoned there, but not for IOT stuff.”

I assume you mean early 2015?

Are you counting the Samsung smart watches as 'IOT' stuff?
Gigabit
27-09-2015
The OP is hilarious lol.
alanwarwic
27-09-2015
Mobs are a somewhat peculiar too.

Each to their own.
kidspud
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“The OP is hilarious lol.”

I've already said that Great Sunday night comedy
Roush
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“The next version of Chome is rumoured to have unskippable Youtube ads, ignoring plugins people have installed.

If that isn't antitrust and monopoly I don't know what is. It's google controlling the whole end to end experience to ensure their revenue and block other paid adblocks / work in their interests only.”

I thought this had been a) confirmed as a bug, and b) fixed already?

http://support.getadblock.com/kb/rec...cked-in-chrome

https://code.google.com/p/chromium/i...tail?id=526413
alanwarwic
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by kidspud:
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Are you counting the Samsung smart watches as 'IOT' stuff?”

What, you can't even deduce that for yourself?

Its pretty much all in there your honour.
kidspud
27-09-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“What, you can't even deduce that for yourself?

Its pretty much all in there your honour.”

A simple yes or no would have done.

I did manage to work out that when you said 2014, you meant 2015.
alanwarwic
27-09-2015
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/26...-products.html

Looking at that, it is another very slow burner.Well complicated considering there is Cortana for Android etc. Microsoft wants ad space in Google search, very much like the EU thing maybe.

Users are much the problem too, we gravitat much to one service, I certainly do.

It has to be Android,in that Bing/Cortana is taking over much of 10 .
alanwarwic
27-09-2015
On that side tracked HTML thing I'm meant to have told my billionth lie about,
maybe the upcoming Safari 9.1 has advanced its HTML forwards?

Even I was a bit shocked by the near total freeze, so maybe it is that. Interestingly IOS and OS/X are in near sync.
From the same site, this test your browser.
https://html5test.com/
omnidirectional
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“https://html5test.com/results/desktop.html

IOS has moved 4 points in HTML 5 compatibility, as near to frozen in time as you can get.
Even I expected better.”

Quite surprising to see Safari holds the title for the browser with the poorest support for standards. That used to be IE's speciality for many years.
kidspud
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by omnidirectional:
“Quite surprising to see Safari now holds the title for the browser with the poorest support for standards. That used to be IE's speciality.”

Like all these things, you have to look a little deeper as to what it does/doesn't support and how that effects browsing experience.

For example 35 points are allocated to input/output which are meaningless to safari on iOS.
enapace
28-09-2015
The reason I mentioned Tizen is because that was all about Samsung trying to get away from Google and have there own source code. We have been hearing about it for years now and there has been very little news at all of any sustenance. Even Mozilla OS has been on more devices then Tizen has been on.

Samsung clearly have realised they would have a hard sell moving from android to a new OS in terms of consumers. Maybe I'm wrong but with how the market is at the moment I think any company who releases a new OS for mobiles is going struggle.
kidspud
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by enapace:
“The reason I mentioned Tizen is because that was all about Samsung trying to get away from Google and have there own source code. We have been hearing about it for years now and there has been very little news at all of any sustenance. Even Mozilla OS has been on more devices then Tizen has been on.

Samsung clearly have realised they would have a hard sell moving from android to a new OS in terms of consumers. Maybe I'm wrong but with how the market is at the moment I think any company who releases a new OS for mobiles is going struggle.”

I think the problem is the Media have often looked a Tizen being a competitor to android, but if you look who is actually involved, it has been move about consumer products. They used it on their phone (in 2015) and their smart watches. It doesn't look like it has been abandoned.
enapace
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“I think the problem is the Media have often looked a Tizen being a competitor to android, but if you look who is actually involved, it has been move about consumer products. They used it on their phone (in 2015) and their smart watches. It doesn't look like it has been abandoned.”

It wasn't the media who spun it Samsung came out and said they were developing Tizen as alternative OS for there phones years ago. How else can you take that as anything but to be a competitor for android. We both know smartwatches are a completely different kettle of fish and still haven't truly found a point In owning one yet.
alanwarwic
28-09-2015
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mi...re+price&gbv=2

That is an interesting example. I currently get a big Google Beta Finance link, the bigger main one being Google with a built in sub list of Google,AOL,Yahoo,Reuters and MSN Money, all links giving share info.

Google favours Google followed by the others, probably by click count. The problem I see is the self fulfilling nature of it all, Google getting to top whenever they include their own service.

It is thus a self fulfilling historic cartel for all named parties, it being near impossible for any semi known name to rise to the top. There are in fact two similar problems ,both the Google one and the cartel one. Could you solve it by splitting Google into two separate entities, search and services? (not the cartel aspect)
binary
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“The next version of Chome is rumoured to have unskippable Youtube ads, ignoring plugins people have installed.

If that isn't antitrust and monopoly I don't know what is. It's google controlling the whole end to end experience to ensure their revenue and block other paid adblocks / work in their interests only.”

If so, then I wouldn't say it's necessarily anti-competitive as other browsers are available.
alanwarwic
28-09-2015
It seems about Google services like ads and search. Few click the only main alternative search, that being Bing. We dont even have a Yahoo search in the UK, that, last I knew, still using Bing for the UK.

Adding to the mix, Fairsearch the main complainant was pretty much set up by Microsoft!
Richard_T
28-09-2015
One of the things i dont understand is that if you go to google, you would expect them to promote google services, likewise yahoo will promote yahoo services, bing Microsoft and so on.
Its a bit like asking Tesco to Stock Sainsburys taste the difference branded items.
As for Android, while there are other alternatives to Google services should you wish, such as the Amazon appstore instead of android play, here maps instead of google, Vimeo instead of youtube and so on.
However most people will just use their device as it came, keeping the same launcher/default apps even though there are alternatives out there, and refusing updates incase something breaks.installing something like Cyanogen would probably be too much for most people.
And thats where the issue probably lies, if there is an issue it could be overcome with a simple install google apps for access to google play for apps, google music, youtube etc, tap here for yes, or here for no
omnidirectional
28-09-2015
Surely WIndows 10 and it's heavy Bing integration should be a concern too. Even a Google Chromebook allows users to change search engine to something other than Google if desired, but Windows 10 built in search is Bing or nothing.
finbaar
28-09-2015
I do wish Google wouldn't insist on the full suite of crap ware Play Books? Play Newsstand? Nobody, nobody uses them at all. Also on OEM devices there is no need for Chrome or Hangouts as these duplicate manufacturer apps. Either include them as shortcuts or allow us to uninstall them. Its a pity that even a Nexus needs debloating.
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