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jonner101
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by enapace:
“The reason I mentioned Tizen is because that was all about Samsung trying to get away from Google and have there own source code. We have been hearing about it for years now and there has been very little news at all of any sustenance. Even Mozilla OS has been on more devices then Tizen has been on.

Samsung clearly have realised they would have a hard sell moving from android to a new OS in terms of consumers. Maybe I'm wrong but with how the market is at the moment I think any company who releases a new OS for mobiles is going struggle.”

Android filled the vacuum of a mobile OS that could run on multiple devices that was required to be the competitor of iOS. It's established now so there is no need in the market for any other platforms. There are obvious advantages to controlling both the software and hardware but Samsung are possibly just too deep into the Android eco system now to get Tizen off the ground.

If someone came up with their own OS and phone there just wouldn't be the support for it. Even Microsoft with have failed miserably.
alanwarwic
29-09-2015
http://betanews.com/2015/09/25/andro...rous-monopoly/

It goes one better, adding the word 'dangerous'. A few interesting comments in there I suppose, the starting headline being 'Is Android a dangerous monopoly?'
Stiggles
29-09-2015
Originally Posted by jonner101:
“Android filled the vacuum of a mobile OS that could run on multiple devices that was required to be the competitor of iOS. It's established now so there is no need in the market for any other platforms. There are obvious advantages to controlling both the software and hardware but Samsung are possibly just too deep into the Android eco system now to get Tizen off the ground.

If someone came up with their own OS and phone there just wouldn't be the support for it. Even Microsoft with have failed miserably.”

I've been thinking about this alleged 'obvious advantage to controlling both hardware and software' that Android apparently lacks since the discussion on the other thread, and I'm not sure its true whatsoever. Forgetting some absolute disastrous releases of iOS which have left phones unable to call out etc, rank battery life and a host of other issues (yes google have had them as well...) it got me thinking:-

Apple writes iOS which runs on multiple devices from ipad 2's up to current ipads. Then onto ipods, iphones etc etc. Its the same iOS that runs on each device, some features are simply disabled using device ID's. The only difference are drivers that are unique to each device.

Now, Google write Android and that's used for many devices. The only difference is that manufacturers add drivers and possibly overlays.

With that, the only advantage i can see is timely updates from apple. Nothing else at all.
kidspud
29-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“I've been thinking about this alleged 'obvious advantage to controlling both hardware and software' that Android apparently lacks since the discussion on the other thread, and I'm not sure its true whatsoever. Forgetting some absolute disastrous releases of iOS which have left phones unable to call out etc, rank battery life and a host of other issues (yes google have had them as well...) it got me thinking:-

Apple writes iOS which runs on multiple devices from ipad 2's up to current ipads. Then onto ipods, iphones etc etc. Its the same iOS that runs on each device, some features are simply disabled using device ID's. The only difference are drivers that are unique to each device.

Now, Google write Android and that's used for many devices. The only difference is that manufacturers add drivers and possibly overlays.

With that, the only advantage i can see is timely updates from apple. Nothing else at all.”

Is that true?
Stiggles
29-09-2015
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“Is that true?”

I'm not 100% sure if I'm honest.

Although it would make more sense than to code several variations of ios. I know android for tablets and phones is the same, just modified slightly for tablet use, but the underlying code is the same
kidspud
29-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“I'm not 100% sure if I'm honest.

Although it would make more sense than to code several variations of ios. I know android for tablets and phones is the same, just modified slightly for tablet use, but the underlying code is the same”

I would expect huge chunks of the code to be the same, but I would have thought that different builds were created for each device.

Maybe a developer on here might know.
finbaar
30-09-2015
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“I would expect huge chunks of the code to be the same, but I would have thought that different builds were created for each device.

Maybe a developer on here might know.”

You must be right. With iOS you are taking about devices with different chips, cameras, 32/64 bit/ different ram etc. You won't be able to run the iOS from the iPad 2 on the 6S.
finbaar
30-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“I've been thinking about this alleged 'obvious advantage to controlling both hardware and software' that Android apparently lacks since the discussion on the other thread, and I'm not sure its true whatsoever. Forgetting some absolute disastrous releases of iOS which have left phones unable to call out etc, rank battery life and a host of other issues (yes google have had them as well...) it got me thinking:-

Apple writes iOS which runs on multiple devices from ipad 2's up to current ipads. Then onto ipods, iphones etc etc. Its the same iOS that runs on each device, some features are simply disabled using device ID's. The only difference are drivers that are unique to each device.

Now, Google write Android and that's used for many devices. The only difference is that manufacturers add drivers and possibly overlays.

With that, the only advantage i can see is timely updates from apple. Nothing else at all.”

I think the advantage is meant to be in writing firmware specifically for a range of devices. And these are devices that run Apple designed CPUs. Apple have very highly optimised firmware for their hardware, which is why you get stupid people criticising the iPhone for “only” having a 1.2gHz dual core processor. Now there are many things you can have a go at the iPhone about but not that.
Stiggles
30-09-2015
Originally Posted by finbaar:
“You must be right. With iOS you are taking about devices with different chips, cameras, 32/64 bit/ different ram etc. You won't be able to run the iOS from the iPad 2 on the 6S.”

From my knowledge of making Android custom roms on different devices, that's merely the drivers that take care of that. The code for ios will be the same.
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