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duckylucky
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by Paace:
“He/she was not a WUM . Just an overenthusiastic newcomer who liked a particular celeb .

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I shall leave that decision to the Mods
katt
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by Tanzie:
“That's what I found the most annoying. And to be fair, that is Janette's fault.
She had a massive advantage over some of the other pros in that she had a celebrity who could actually dance. The fact that she chose to do some kind of discoified nonsense rather than a "proper" dance shows her shortcomings far more than Peter Andre's.
But I do wonder why she chose to do it - does she really not have a clue about choreography, or did she customise the dance for Peter because he couldn't manage to master the steps she wanted him to do?”

BIB would be my guess
sofakat
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by Tanzie:
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She had a massive advantage over some of the other pros in that she had a celebrity who could actually dance. The fact that she chose to do some kind of discoified nonsense rather than a "proper" dance shows her shortcomings far more than Peter Andre's.
But I do wonder why she chose to do it - does she really not have a clue about choreography, or did she customise the dance for Peter because he couldn't manage to master the steps she wanted him to do?”

To be honest that's what she does every year.

Her 'routines' are very much along the lines of, 'do as many cartwheels, splits in the air, throws and spins AND the kitchen sink and these stupid people will never notice there are no real steps' approach. She is not a good choreographer and her knowledge of dance is very limited to flash show salsa.

She is not a teacher of technique because her own is pretty lame - hence Jake spent much of his time last year doing endless lifts and shaking his bum to hide the fact that he danced like the walking dead and was very, very limited. A crowd pleaser can hide a multitude of sins - but not forever.

The other drawback is that SCD is watched by a hell of a lot of dancers who know what to look for and ex teachers who can spot a dud at 100 paces.
katt
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“To be honest that's what she does every year.

Her 'routines' are very much along the lines of, 'do as many cartwheels, splits in the air, throws and spins AND the kitchen sink and these stupid people will never notice there are no real steps' approach. She is not a good choreographer and her knowledge of dance is very limited to flash show salsa.

She is not a teacher of technique because her own is pretty lame - hence Jake spent much of his time last year doing endless lifts and shaking his bum to hide the fact that he danced like the walking dead and was very, very limited. A crowd pleaser can hide a multitude of sins - but not forever.

The other drawback is that SCD is watched by a hell of a lot of dancers who know what to look for and ex teachers who can spot a dud at 100 paces.”

real shame Peter got partnered with her - he could have wiped the floor with the competition if he had gotten a pro who teaches the basics and can choreograph the correct content
perdiedumpling
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Yep! Excellent description of what he did. Sure as hell wasn't a cha cha.

It's not that he can't move, he can. But if he keeps on doing a Andre Version of a hyped up disco ballroom/show dance I am afraid even his breathless little fans will have to hide behind the cushions during the live shows ”

He looked better in the launch show during the group dance, when presumably it was some one else (Giant Lady perhaps?) who was teaching them.
*Venetia*
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by duckylucky:
“He was a WUM , found out and made inactive by the Mods . See the locked thread and why people reacted”

This seems unfair as I believe he was not a native English speaker (so didn't always express himself well) and I felt was someone who may well have been autistic or with learning difficulties. Certainly over enthusiastic and fixated but as far as I know no real threat to anyone!
perdiedumpling
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by *Venetia*:
“This seems unfair as I believe he was not a native English speaker (so didn't always express himself well) and I felt was someone who may well have been autistic or with learning difficulties. Certainly over enthusiastic and fixated but as far as I know no real threat to anyone!”

Well, the subject of his affections may well have been seeking a restraining order!

I doubt it's a permanent ban, more an attempt to get him to behave in accordance to forum netiquette.
duckylucky
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by *Venetia*:
“This seems unfair as I believe he was not a native English speaker (so didn't always express himself well) and I felt was someone who may well have been autistic or with learning difficulties. Certainly over enthusiastic and fixated but as far as I know no real threat to anyone!”

Well the locked thread was hostile and as I say I leave that decision to the MODS .
amelia_lee
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by perdiedumpling:
“He looked better in the launch show during the group dance, when presumably it was some one else (Giant Lady perhaps?) who was teaching them.”

Yes he really did, much more fluid in his movements too.

Agree sofakat, I do not rate her as a teacher or choreographer at all.
Sherlock_Holmes
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by Paace:
“I disagree . Katie would be lost and messy and off balance if Anton let go of her hand . Georgia has fantastic balance and great foot movement . Plus she danced most of the dance out of hold . Seems Anton has not the same confidence yet in his partner as Giovanni has .

I like both couples and I'm sure they'll go far .”

Disagree with this, Katie really surprised me with her balance on the floor (remember that not 100% of the dance was in hold).

The daughter got upstaged by the mother in this dance, but no worry as this also happened two years ago (not on the same night, but getting the same score two weeks later kinda is equal to being upstaged) and look who had the glitterball in the end?
amelia_lee
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by Paace:
“I disagree . Katie would be lost and messy and off balance if Anton let go of her hand . Georgia has fantastic balance and great foot movement . Plus she danced most of the dance out of hold . Seems Anton has not the same confidence yet in his partner as Giovanni has .

I like both couples and I'm sure they'll go far .”

Katie danced on her own and performed her kick section on her own and with great balance too.

Georgia is good, and she did well,but to say Katie would be messy and off balance is wrong as she was on her own anyway, but she was had such control of her movement that even if she was holding Anton it was not for support as she held herself very well.
Ann_Dancer
28-09-2015
On the whole I preferred Georgia's jive action to Katie's (I liked both) but I agree that Georgia has balance problems. Anton didn't hold Katie up, I agree (she is very well balanced), but he did appear to give quite a strong lead which can help with the dynamics for a beginner.

Peter's routine had cha cha steps. I think that because he didn't master the leg action it looked as if he was just running/walking around at times. A cha cha should be into the ground and oily as if moving through grease, with good straightening of standing leg. I didn't like it at all when I first watched it, but preferred it on subsequent viewings. Some celebs need encouragement and confidence. In my opinion Peter needs reigning back. He needs to do the repeat, repeat in slow motion to get the technique, and be told in no uncertain terms if it is not good enough. I think Janette is the wrong professional for him.
Heatherbell
28-09-2015
Originally Posted by *Venetia*:
“This seems unfair as I believe he was not a native English speaker (so didn't always express himself well) and I felt was someone who may well have been autistic or with learning difficulties. Certainly over enthusiastic and fixated but as far as I know no real threat to anyone!”

That's the impression I got too .
I tend to make huge allowances for someone like that . Nice to be nice .
Anyway he is probably just 'resting' for a day or two and will come back with a better understanding of the rules , so no big deal .

I agree with anne_dancer. Peter had plenty of cha cha in there but it possibly needs to be polished up a bit to be more obviously recognisable . As I said elsewhere , he has had to unlearn 'bad' dance habits from his little personal set pieces in his shows . They don't fit into strict Strictly dances . It's a work in progress .
Nicky_Gardenov
29-09-2015
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“That's the impression I got too .
I tend to make huge allowances for someone like that . Nice to be nice .
Anyway he is probably just 'resting' for a day or two and will come back with a better understanding of the rules , so no big deal .

I agree with anne_dancer. Peter had plenty of cha cha in there but it possibly needs to be polished up a bit to be more obviously recognisable . As I said elsewhere , he has had to unlearn 'bad' dance habits from his little personal set pieces in his shows . They don't fit into strict Strictly dances . It's a work in progress .”

hi, i did watch It takes two last night, what does Karen Hardy like about Daniel O'Donnell.
Heatherbell
29-09-2015
Originally Posted by Nicky_Gardenov:
“hi, i did watch It takes two last night, what does Karen Hardy like about Daniel O'Donnell.”

Karen thought his footwork rather good . Liked how he nicely drew his feet together in the proper way rather than leaving a gap . Welcome back .
Nicky_Gardenov
29-09-2015
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Karen thought his footwork rather good . Liked how he nicely drew his feet together in the proper way rather than leaving a gap . Welcome back .”

thank you for welcoming me back.


i'm Team GG, Kanton, Glita
Nicky_Gardenov
29-09-2015
Originally Posted by amelia_lee:
“Katie danced on her own and performed her kick section on her own and with great balance too.

Georgia is good, and she did well,but to say Katie would be messy and off balance is wrong as she was on her own anyway, but she was had such control of her movement that even if she was holding Anton it was not for support as she held herself very well.”

this is a good comment, because you explain it well. Katie did some good kicks on her own. but it's still working as a team, Anton was a little wrong , i thought Katie danced better than her partner.

Georgia and Giovanni worked as a team on that Jive, with the character she put in the dance, also that moment when Gio dragged her and under his legs, where she had to hold still. towards the end a little off balance, but that was Giovanni's fault, for speeding the dance so fast.

but overall i'm sorry Amelia, for what i said or did earlier in this forum.
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