Android 6 Marshmallow

1saintly · 28-09-2015, 20:12

Suprised there's not much if any mention of this yet on DS seeing as its out next week.
Unless the search function isn't working on DS?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?clie...FaLj8wfghbzIBg

d123 · 28-09-2015, 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1saintly

Suprised there's not much if any mention of this yet on DS seeing as its out next week.
Unless the search function isn't working on DS?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?clie...FaLj8wfghbzIBg

The great majority of Android users won't see it for months, if ever.

It's a small group of people who are probably waiting for it, so it's not surprising it's low key.

Mark in Essex · 28-09-2015, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by d123

The great majority of Android users won't see it for months, if ever.

It's a small group of people who are probably waiting for it, so it's not surprising it's low key.

You little tease you.

de525ma · 29-09-2015, 01:43

I'll be interested to see whether it can support WiFi calling and volte without stupid custom firmware.

Aye Up · 29-09-2015, 01:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by de525ma

I'll be interested to see whether it can support WiFi calling and volte without stupid custom firmware.

I believe it supports VoLTE, so wifi calling should be a piece of cake!

jonmorris · 29-09-2015, 16:43

There's talk that Google has been working with manufacturers to speed up Android 6 rolling out to most devices, but I'll believe it when I see it.

If it DOES happen then not before time. I can't wait until the day that Android 6 is formally announced (after months of testing) and Samsung, LG, HTC, Sony etc all say that they're pushing it out in a matter of hours.

It needs to happen, and it shouldn't be impossible for it to happen if Google makes sure to give manufacturers the necessary time to do their own updates. The problem comes down to networks that would want each update approved, but Google should be seeking to treat networks like Apple does - telling them that this update is happening like it or not!

!!11oneone · 30-09-2015, 10:02

Well, LG updated before the Nexus last year.

HTC promised 90 days, but missed it. Their promise does apparently still stand though.

Samsung said they'd get better. But haven't been great so far.

Stuart_h · 30-09-2015, 11:49

More and more of android functionality has been moved to apps meaning very quick rollout of some key changes is possible. But agreed - it may take some users a while to get an update. From a household of nexuses we are looking forward to marshmallow.

Stuart_h · 30-09-2015, 11:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by de525ma

I'll be interested to see whether it can support WiFi calling and volte without stupid custom firmware.

Three have a WiFi calling app already - as do EE now if I recall. Or am I missing something ?

Mick Jones · 30-09-2015, 12:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

Three have a WiFi calling app already - as do EE now if I recall. Or am I missing something ?

You are missing something.

finbaar · 30-09-2015, 12:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris

There's talk that Google has been working with manufacturers to speed up Android 6 rolling out to most devices, but I'll believe it when I see it.

If it DOES happen then not before time. I can't wait until the day that Android 6 is formally announced (after months of testing) and Samsung, LG, HTC, Sony etc all say that they're pushing it out in a matter of hours.

It needs to happen, and it shouldn't be impossible for it to happen if Google makes sure to give manufacturers the necessary time to do their own updates. The problem comes down to networks that would want each update approved, but Google should be seeking to treat networks like Apple does - telling them that this update is happening like it or not!

It is a bad idea for networks if manufacturers can just push out updates that have the potential to bring down their network.

If we consider the 6.0 update to be ready now to be released to the manufacturers for them to work their "magic" then it would mean delaying pushing the update until the slowest manufacturer has got the update ready for the most toublesome device. This would be worse than what we have now. The majority of Android users don't care (or even know) what version they are running. But, of course, the majority of posters here DO care.

Stuart_h · 30-09-2015, 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Jones

You are missing something.

Care to elaborate ? It was a genuine "am I missing something" .....

Mark in Essex · 30-09-2015, 13:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

Care to elaborate ? It was a genuine "am I missing something" .....

Three have launched VoLTE for a few phones at the moment to allow people to make calls over 4G without the need for an additional app.

Also with their 800mhz 4G launched it penetrates further into buildings (I use to have a signal booster box as the 3G reception was only around 1 bar in my house, but since the 800mhz 4G I have been able to do away with it now

).

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2105320

Daveoc64 · 30-09-2015, 13:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

Care to elaborate ? It was a genuine "am I missing something" .....

There is a proper standard which allows compatible phones to seamlessly make and receive calls using Wi-Fi without a network-specific App.

Three's current solution of using an additional App is clunky as you can't use the phone's normal Phone dialling App.

Stuart_h · 30-09-2015, 14:30

Thanks both. Makes sense

de525ma · 30-09-2015, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

Thanks both. Makes sense

Indeed.

O2 and 3's "wifi calling" is app based, and clunky, as others have mentioned.

EE (and Vodafone shortly, or now, I believe) have "true" wifi calling, where the phone can natively switch over to WiFi to make and receive calls and texts, automatically, with no intervention from the user.

If you have an iPhone or supported Windows phone, you can use this straight away.

Currently, if you have a supported Android device, you need custom firmware, which is only available on contracted handsets supplied by EE. I believe this will also be the case for VoLTE.

I'm hoping that Marshmallow on the new Nexus devices removes this stupid requirement, as lots of people like me refuse to buy a phone on what is effectively "hire purchase", and in the case of EE, with a ludicrously long contract term.

paulbrock · 30-09-2015, 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

More and more of android functionality has been moved to apps meaning very quick rollout of some key changes is possible. But agreed - it may take some users a while to get an update. From a household of nexuses we are looking forward to marshmallow.

it also means that the OS updates are increasingly looking pretty light. Not excited about getting Marshmallow, felt same for Lollipop. Think Kit Kat was the last 'exciting' update.

ACU · 30-09-2015, 16:02

whatsapp allows calls over wifi. Is this VoLTE or is it someother way whatsapp achieves it?

Aye Up · 30-09-2015, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACU

whatsapp allows calls over wifi. Is this VoLTE or is it someother way whatsapp achieves it?

In principle it is the same technology as it is effectively Voice over IP, its just the way its applied is different. On a phone you can just initiate a call from the dial menu, where as in WhatsApp you have to open it and start the call. Its a bit simplistic but is broadly correct.

jimmy22 · 30-09-2015, 16:52

Will my missus acer tablet get it at the moment it's 4.4.4 what is 4.4.4?

Richard_T · 30-09-2015, 17:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy22

Will my missus acer tablet get it at the moment it's 4.4.4 what is 4.4.4?

4.4.4? Ye olde outdated Android

Orbitalzone · 30-09-2015, 19:14

I just hope it's better than Lolliplop that my Moto G's got, I wish I'd left it at KitKit which was nicer looking and worked better for me.

Everything Goes · 30-09-2015, 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris

There's talk that Google has been working with manufacturers to speed up Android 6 rolling out to most devices, but I'll believe it when I see it.

If it DOES happen then not before time. I can't wait until the day that Android 6 is formally announced (after months of testing) and Samsung, LG, HTC, Sony etc all say that they're pushing it out in a matter of hours.

It needs to happen, and it shouldn't be impossible for it to happen if Google makes sure to give manufacturers the necessary time to do their own updates. The problem comes down to networks that would want each update approved, but Google should be seeking to treat networks like Apple does - telling them that this update is happening like it or not!

Google have been talking about this for years and it hasn't happened. Reckon Hell will freeze over first.

Otherwise its a case of those who want it wont get it for months (if at all) unless they are on a newish Nexus device. The Nexus 4, Nexus 7 (2012) and Nexus 10 wont be getting Marshmallow.

If you want up to date software support for an extended period of time then iOS is the only way to go. Google had their chance and blew it big style.

http://www.neowin.net/news/bad-news-...60-marshmallow

jonmorris · 30-09-2015, 20:27

As long as all the individual apps and Play Services are updated, it's not so essential to get the OS update. You will not get Doze, but many other features are not part of the OS itself.

The new Google launcher is already doing the vertical scrolling list (which I dislike, but has a third party launcher anyway) for example.

The Sack · 30-09-2015, 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

Three have a WiFi calling app already - as do EE now if I recall. Or am I missing something ?

I'd rather miss a call than use Three In Touch, it really is shit.

28-09-2015, 20:12	#1
1saintly Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,665	Android 6 Marshmallow Suprised there's not much if any mention of this yet on DS seeing as its out next week. Unless the search function isn't working on DS? https://www.google.co.uk/search?clie...FaLj8wfghbzIBg

28-09-2015, 20:33	#2
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by 1saintly Suprised there's not much if any mention of this yet on DS seeing as its out next week. Unless the search function isn't working on DS? https://www.google.co.uk/search?clie...FaLj8wfghbzIBg The great majority of Android users won't see it for months, if ever. It's a small group of people who are probably waiting for it, so it's not surprising it's low key.

28-09-2015, 22:58	#3
Mark in Essex Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,644	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 The great majority of Android users won't see it for months, if ever. It's a small group of people who are probably waiting for it, so it's not surprising it's low key. You little tease you.

29-09-2015, 01:43	#4
de525ma Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 787	I'll be interested to see whether it can support WiFi calling and volte without stupid custom firmware.

29-09-2015, 01:49	#5
Aye Up Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North West Posts: 4,885	Quote: Originally Posted by de525ma I'll be interested to see whether it can support WiFi calling and volte without stupid custom firmware. I believe it supports VoLTE, so wifi calling should be a piece of cake!

29-09-2015, 16:43	#6
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	There's talk that Google has been working with manufacturers to speed up Android 6 rolling out to most devices, but I'll believe it when I see it. If it DOES happen then not before time. I can't wait until the day that Android 6 is formally announced (after months of testing) and Samsung, LG, HTC, Sony etc all say that they're pushing it out in a matter of hours. It needs to happen, and it shouldn't be impossible for it to happen if Google makes sure to give manufacturers the necessary time to do their own updates. The problem comes down to networks that would want each update approved, but Google should be seeking to treat networks like Apple does - telling them that this update is happening like it or not!

30-09-2015, 10:02	#7
!!11oneone Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,807	Well, LG updated before the Nexus last year. HTC promised 90 days, but missed it. Their promise does apparently still stand though. Samsung said they'd get better. But haven't been great so far.

30-09-2015, 11:49	#8
Stuart_h Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,474	More and more of android functionality has been moved to apps meaning very quick rollout of some key changes is possible. But agreed - it may take some users a while to get an update. From a household of nexuses we are looking forward to marshmallow.

30-09-2015, 11:50	#9
Stuart_h Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,474	Quote: Originally Posted by de525ma I'll be interested to see whether it can support WiFi calling and volte without stupid custom firmware. Three have a WiFi calling app already - as do EE now if I recall. Or am I missing something ?

30-09-2015, 12:04	#10
Mick Jones Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Derby (using Waltham) Posts: 244	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h Three have a WiFi calling app already - as do EE now if I recall. Or am I missing something ? You are missing something.

30-09-2015, 12:08	#11
finbaar Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,921	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris There's talk that Google has been working with manufacturers to speed up Android 6 rolling out to most devices, but I'll believe it when I see it. If it DOES happen then not before time. I can't wait until the day that Android 6 is formally announced (after months of testing) and Samsung, LG, HTC, Sony etc all say that they're pushing it out in a matter of hours. It needs to happen, and it shouldn't be impossible for it to happen if Google makes sure to give manufacturers the necessary time to do their own updates. The problem comes down to networks that would want each update approved, but Google should be seeking to treat networks like Apple does - telling them that this update is happening like it or not! It is a bad idea for networks if manufacturers can just push out updates that have the potential to bring down their network. If we consider the 6.0 update to be ready now to be released to the manufacturers for them to work their "magic" then it would mean delaying pushing the update until the slowest manufacturer has got the update ready for the most toublesome device. This would be worse than what we have now. The majority of Android users don't care (or even know) what version they are running. But, of course, the majority of posters here DO care.

30-09-2015, 12:10	#12
Stuart_h Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,474	Quote: Originally Posted by Mick Jones You are missing something. Care to elaborate ? It was a genuine "am I missing something" .....

30-09-2015, 13:41	#13
Mark in Essex Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,644	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h Care to elaborate ? It was a genuine "am I missing something" ..... Three have launched VoLTE for a few phones at the moment to allow people to make calls over 4G without the need for an additional app. Also with their 800mhz 4G launched it penetrates further into buildings (I use to have a signal booster box as the 3G reception was only around 1 bar in my house, but since the 800mhz 4G I have been able to do away with it now ). http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2105320

30-09-2015, 13:50	#14
Daveoc64 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bristol (BBC1 West) Posts: 15,143	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h Care to elaborate ? It was a genuine "am I missing something" ..... There is a proper standard which allows compatible phones to seamlessly make and receive calls using Wi-Fi without a network-specific App. Three's current solution of using an additional App is clunky as you can't use the phone's normal Phone dialling App.

30-09-2015, 14:30	#15
Stuart_h Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,474	Thanks both. Makes sense

30-09-2015, 14:40	#16
de525ma Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 787	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h Thanks both. Makes sense Indeed. O2 and 3's "wifi calling" is app based, and clunky, as others have mentioned. EE (and Vodafone shortly, or now, I believe) have "true" wifi calling, where the phone can natively switch over to WiFi to make and receive calls and texts, automatically, with no intervention from the user. If you have an iPhone or supported Windows phone, you can use this straight away. Currently, if you have a supported Android device, you need custom firmware, which is only available on contracted handsets supplied by EE. I believe this will also be the case for VoLTE. I'm hoping that Marshmallow on the new Nexus devices removes this stupid requirement, as lots of people like me refuse to buy a phone on what is effectively "hire purchase", and in the case of EE, with a ludicrously long contract term.

30-09-2015, 14:56	#17
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h More and more of android functionality has been moved to apps meaning very quick rollout of some key changes is possible. But agreed - it may take some users a while to get an update. From a household of nexuses we are looking forward to marshmallow. it also means that the OS updates are increasingly looking pretty light. Not excited about getting Marshmallow, felt same for Lollipop. Think Kit Kat was the last 'exciting' update.

30-09-2015, 16:02	#18
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	whatsapp allows calls over wifi. Is this VoLTE or is it someother way whatsapp achieves it?

30-09-2015, 16:47	#19
Aye Up Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North West Posts: 4,885	Quote: Originally Posted by ACU whatsapp allows calls over wifi. Is this VoLTE or is it someother way whatsapp achieves it? In principle it is the same technology as it is effectively Voice over IP, its just the way its applied is different. On a phone you can just initiate a call from the dial menu, where as in WhatsApp you have to open it and start the call. Its a bit simplistic but is broadly correct.

30-09-2015, 16:52	#20
jimmy22 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire Posts: 2,986	Will my missus acer tablet get it at the moment it's 4.4.4 what is 4.4.4?

30-09-2015, 17:17	#21
Richard_T Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: East Midlands Posts: 3,842	Quote: Originally Posted by jimmy22 Will my missus acer tablet get it at the moment it's 4.4.4 what is 4.4.4? 4.4.4? Ye olde outdated Android

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30-09-2015, 19:14	#22
Orbitalzone Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sussex Posts: 12,173	I just hope it's better than Lolliplop that my Moto G's got, I wish I'd left it at KitKit which was nicer looking and worked better for me.

30-09-2015, 20:06	#23
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris There's talk that Google has been working with manufacturers to speed up Android 6 rolling out to most devices, but I'll believe it when I see it. If it DOES happen then not before time. I can't wait until the day that Android 6 is formally announced (after months of testing) and Samsung, LG, HTC, Sony etc all say that they're pushing it out in a matter of hours. It needs to happen, and it shouldn't be impossible for it to happen if Google makes sure to give manufacturers the necessary time to do their own updates. The problem comes down to networks that would want each update approved, but Google should be seeking to treat networks like Apple does - telling them that this update is happening like it or not! Google have been talking about this for years and it hasn't happened. Reckon Hell will freeze over first. Otherwise its a case of those who want it wont get it for months (if at all) unless they are on a newish Nexus device. The Nexus 4, Nexus 7 (2012) and Nexus 10 wont be getting Marshmallow. If you want up to date software support for an extended period of time then iOS is the only way to go. Google had their chance and blew it big style. http://www.neowin.net/news/bad-news-...60-marshmallow

30-09-2015, 20:27	#24
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	As long as all the individual apps and Play Services are updated, it's not so essential to get the OS update. You will not get Doze, but many other features are not part of the OS itself. The new Google launcher is already doing the vertical scrolling list (which I dislike, but has a third party launcher anyway) for example.

30-09-2015, 21:13	#25
The Sack Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S6 1SW WTID UTO FTB Posts: 6,327	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h Three have a WiFi calling app already - as do EE now if I recall. Or am I missing something ? I'd rather miss a call than use Three In Touch, it really is shit.