Anita Rani on Who Do You Think You Are tonight on BBC1 @ 9pm
should be a good program
should be a good program
Anita Rani On WDYTYA Tonight
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if the title of the show is "Who do you think you are", maybe she will tell us what connection she has to hedgerows and cows' bottoms on Countryfile
Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“A bit shell-shocked after watching this. Excellent programme.”
“A bit shell-shocked after watching this. Excellent programme.”
Me too . Anita was too , quilte a shock to the system
Very sad and very shocking to hear the reality of what really went on during partition - which the British were totally responsible for #shocked
Originally Posted by suki c:
“Very sad and very shocking to hear the reality of what really went on during partition - which the British were totally responsible for #shocked”
“Very sad and very shocking to hear the reality of what really went on during partition - which the British were totally responsible for #shocked”
Rather a sweeping statement there,I don't think there were any British soldiers standing with fixed bayonets making the Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs murder and rape one another.
I was horrified by this programme it was yet again another way men decide on woman's value in society.
I am with Anita no way wouldn't I have pulled my plait aside, her father could have given his daughter the bloody great sword.
I loved Anita for saying that.
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Rather a sweeping statement there,I don't think there were any British soldiers standing with fixed bayonets making the Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs murder and rape one another.
I was horrified by this programme it was yet again another way men decide on woman's value in society.
I am with Anita no way wouldn't I have pulled my plait aside, her father could have given his daughter the bloody great sword.
I loved Anita for saying that.”
“Rather a sweeping statement there,I don't think there were any British soldiers standing with fixed bayonets making the Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs murder and rape one another.
I was horrified by this programme it was yet again another way men decide on woman's value in society.
I am with Anita no way wouldn't I have pulled my plait aside, her father could have given his daughter the bloody great sword.
I loved Anita for saying that.”
Indeed. The consequence of regarding women as property. I was torn between sad shock and furious shock.
Anita's programme prompted me to try and find out more about what gave rise to the partition of India. (I say 'more'....I should really say 'something' 
).
This article seemed to be a fairly balanced account of the politics and circumstances if anyone else is interested
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...ooks-dalrymple
).This article seemed to be a fairly balanced account of the politics and circumstances if anyone else is interested
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...ooks-dalrymple
Originally Posted by suki c:
“Very sad and very shocking to hear the reality of what really went on during partition - which the British were totally responsible for #shocked”
“Very sad and very shocking to hear the reality of what really went on during partition - which the British were totally responsible for #shocked”
Similar things have happened many times because of divisions of people.
People believe in religions or countries.
Maybe one day it will be the norm for people to think of themselves as one group on one planet - that would be a better day.
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“Similar things have happened many times because of divisions of people.
People believe in religions or countries.
Maybe one day it will be the norm for people to think of themselves as one group on one planet - that would be a better day.”
“Similar things have happened many times because of divisions of people.
People believe in religions or countries.
Maybe one day it will be the norm for people to think of themselves as one group on one planet - that would be a better day.”
Very true. Such a simple solution but one that is seemingly impossible - at least for now.
Originally Posted by GoinGaga:
“Very true. Such a simple solution but one that is seemingly impossible - at least for now.”
“Very true. Such a simple solution but one that is seemingly impossible - at least for now.”
Yes. Countries are figments of the imagination, as are many other divisive things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLgYAHHkPFs
Hadn't really thought much about her before watching this, but she came across well. Will have gained her more public support I am sure.
And am surprised that people don't seem to know the horrors of partition in india, and indeed the horrors and slaughter before partition. Britain always seems to see Partition
as the answer for religious differences, but you only have to look at Pakistan/india, Jordan/Israel, North and south Ireland to see that it will be fraught.
And am surprised that people don't seem to know the horrors of partition in india, and indeed the horrors and slaughter before partition. Britain always seems to see Partition
as the answer for religious differences, but you only have to look at Pakistan/india, Jordan/Israel, North and south Ireland to see that it will be fraught.
If I were Indian I'd be really glad that I wasn't shackled to Pakistan. Without partition what would India be like today?
It was a very interesting programme though but I was supprised that she knew so little about he history.
It was a very interesting programme though but I was supprised that she knew so little about he history.
She probably did know more but on these programs they have to pretend they don't so they can ask someone else.
Look I get it, during their occupation Britain did many illegal and horrifying things, but partition was not even on anyone's agenda until 1942 and it was Indian internal politics that forced it onto the agenda.
RELIGION caused the problem not the British who after religion reared its ugly head and caused a problem after 800 of peaceful co existence meant that no Indian politician would accept a solution that did not include partition.
I get it British occupation = bad, peaceful Indians oppressed, however reality wasn't like this.
That Sikh man was a perfect example of everything that is wrong with religion, he sat there really proud of his story, really proud that his father/grandfather had a big sword to defend the honour of his girls.
I notice there was nothing more from him after Anita had showed her horror at the story, I bet he had told his story many times to young men who then thought, honour killings, hell yes I would do this for my sister/ mother/cousin.
No doubt the horrors of partition have something to do with the fact that there are so many powerful women politicians in both India and Pakistan, if I had lived through that, no way was I going to ever again be in a position where some man thought I had to sit quietly hand have my head chopped off or jump into a well " of my own free will".
Stop blaming the British for everything and put the blame fairly and squarely where it belonged the whole religious system that allowed anyone to think 50% of the population belongs to the other 50%.
Read up on the subject, a great novel to expound on the populations general confusion and unwillingness to comply with the violence of what went on is Salman Rushdie' s Midnight's Children.
RELIGION caused the problem not the British who after religion reared its ugly head and caused a problem after 800 of peaceful co existence meant that no Indian politician would accept a solution that did not include partition.
I get it British occupation = bad, peaceful Indians oppressed, however reality wasn't like this.
That Sikh man was a perfect example of everything that is wrong with religion, he sat there really proud of his story, really proud that his father/grandfather had a big sword to defend the honour of his girls.
I notice there was nothing more from him after Anita had showed her horror at the story, I bet he had told his story many times to young men who then thought, honour killings, hell yes I would do this for my sister/ mother/cousin.
No doubt the horrors of partition have something to do with the fact that there are so many powerful women politicians in both India and Pakistan, if I had lived through that, no way was I going to ever again be in a position where some man thought I had to sit quietly hand have my head chopped off or jump into a well " of my own free will".
Stop blaming the British for everything and put the blame fairly and squarely where it belonged the whole religious system that allowed anyone to think 50% of the population belongs to the other 50%.
Read up on the subject, a great novel to expound on the populations general confusion and unwillingness to comply with the violence of what went on is Salman Rushdie' s Midnight's Children.
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
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That Sikh man was a perfect example of everything that is wrong with religion, he sat there really proud of his story, really proud that his father/grandfather had a big sword to defend the honour of his girls. ”
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That Sikh man was a perfect example of everything that is wrong with religion, he sat there really proud of his story, really proud that his father/grandfather had a big sword to defend the honour of his girls. ”
I'm not sure you understand that the alternative was for them to be gang raped and then murdered anyway as the female historian pointed out. I hope not anyway. It was pretty much a Sophie's choice - is a hard decision to make but he felt it was the right one.
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Rather a sweeping statement there,I don't think there were any British soldiers standing with fixed bayonets making the Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs murder and rape one another.
I was horrified by this programme it was yet again another way men decide on woman's value in society.
I am with Anita no way wouldn't I have pulled my plait aside, her father could have given his daughter the bloody great sword.
I loved Anita for saying that.”
“Rather a sweeping statement there,I don't think there were any British soldiers standing with fixed bayonets making the Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs murder and rape one another.
I was horrified by this programme it was yet again another way men decide on woman's value in society.
I am with Anita no way wouldn't I have pulled my plait aside, her father could have given his daughter the bloody great sword.
I loved Anita for saying that.”
If you get the chance to see this documentary - I think you would like it.
http://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/samurai-...arrior-queens/
Originally Posted by Patricia_Sandel:
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And am surprised that people don't seem to know the horrors of partition in india, and indeed the horrors and slaughter before partition. Britain always seems to see Partition
as the answer for religious differences, but you only have to look at Pakistan/india, Jordan/Israel, North and south Ireland to see that it will be fraught.”
“
And am surprised that people don't seem to know the horrors of partition in india, and indeed the horrors and slaughter before partition. Britain always seems to see Partition
as the answer for religious differences, but you only have to look at Pakistan/india, Jordan/Israel, North and south Ireland to see that it will be fraught.”
I knew there was violence and mass migration but not the extent of either or the reasons why the country rejected centuries of peaceful coexistence.
As for Britain 'choosing' partition, I gather it was a case of Indian internal politics dictating a choice between partition; disintegration into scores of small states; or all out civil war. Who can say which would have been the lesser of the evils? Britain was a country on it's knees after WW2 and in no position to keep the peace.
Originally Posted by What name??:
“I'm not sure you understand that the alternative was for them to be gang raped and then murdered anyway as the female historian pointed out. I hope not anyway. It was pretty much a Sophie's choice - is a hard decision to make but he felt it was the right one.”
“I'm not sure you understand that the alternative was for them to be gang raped and then murdered anyway as the female historian pointed out. I hope not anyway. It was pretty much a Sophie's choice - is a hard decision to make but he felt it was the right one.”
Oh I do, personally I would want to be given the sword myself and go out swinging, taking as many as possible with me on the way.
He didn't have any right to make her choice.
Originally Posted by What name??:
“I'm not sure you understand that the alternative was for them to be gang raped and then murdered anyway as the female historian pointed out. I hope not anyway. It was pretty much a Sophie's choice - is a hard decision to make but he felt it was the right one.”
“I'm not sure you understand that the alternative was for them to be gang raped and then murdered anyway as the female historian pointed out. I hope not anyway. It was pretty much a Sophie's choice - is a hard decision to make but he felt it was the right one.”
I understood the historian (very) slightly differently. Anita had expressed admiration for the courage of the women who committed suicide rather than be taken by the other side and suffer the grim consequences. The historian didn't view what they did as suicide but as 'no choice'. I took that as 'kill yourself or your own family will kill you (and if they don't the others will)' and they were expected to maintain family honour. It all amounts to a massacre of the women and girls by one hand or another, I suppose, but the really chilling part for me (if it isn't facile to play brutality top trumps), was that they didn't value the women enough to fight for them. Any 'normal' father would lay down his own life for his daughter. I found it telling to read that after the end of hostilities thousands of women who had been taken captive and found themselves on the wrong side, refused to be returned to their families for fear of their fate. Truly - horrifically - the enemy within.
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