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Doctor Who S9E3: Under the Lake. BBC1. 3/10/2015 20:25. Official Thread
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Abomination
01-10-2015
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“My problem with ATCM is that its too generic and functional. It could have been written by any of ten writers. The God Complex feels like a personal episode...a passion project. Something Whithouse dreamt of writing. ATCM contains very little of anything that has marked him out as a great writer. More like a writer for hire and its a waste of his talents. Alas the 'Blockbuster' structure rather lent itself to that sort of thing.”

For me I saw distinct hints of his writing in there in a way that perhaps elevated the episode above what I'd have thought of it in someone elses hands. I think one of Whithouse' strengths that no other Doctor Who writer has exhibited is his ability to write confrontational dialogue. He manages to take it all a notch or five above panto-esque villainy and actually engages The Doctor in discussion with his foes - not too dissimilar to how Moffat managed with Davros in The Witch's Familiar. The difference is Whithouse is able to make it just as engaging with characters I've known for twenty minutes. Even in his weaker stories (and 'weaker' not meaning 'weak' there) it's these moments or exchanges which I've enjoyed the most... be it Ten discussing the possibilities of a perfect world with Brother Lassar and Sarah-Jane and deliving into some deeper discussion involving faith and the souls of children in School Reunion, or Eleven discussing the morality of Rosanna Calvierri's actions in The Vampires of Venice, or Eleven simply having a heart-to-heart with Rita in The God Complex, or Eleven once again discussing the morality of Kahler Jex's actions in A Town Called Mercy. I think he manages it distinctly every time, without ever coming across as self-referencing or pretentious... it's natural, interesting dialogue that also isn't remarkably heavy. I don't feel that it's come at the expense of some more exciting scenes, and he also remembers to have a lot of fun in his scripts too... something I've personally seen in all of his Doctor Who episodes, and Torchwood. For me they're the hallmarks of a writer who could write a good ongoing series as the head writer, of which he also has experience of doing for other shows. He's not delivered a stand-out as Moffat did during RTD's era, but then since then regardless of how much I enjoy much of Series 5-9 so far, there's a realisation that consistent quality writing doesn't always guarantee quality showrunning.

I never expected too much from A Town Called Mercy and it was a rather run-of-the-mill story in many regards. It didn't make it any less enjoyable for me though.
Dave-H
02-10-2015
At last, the current episode thread has been pinned!
GDK
02-10-2015
The Mods were very quick. They'd pinned it just a few minutes after I requested it.
Kapellmeister
02-10-2015
Spoiler-free review from Den of Geek:

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-w...er-free-review

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Ah, I really loved this. Under The Lake is old school Doctor Who, using ingredients that we've seen many times before. Yet Toby Whithouse - back on Doctor Who duties for the first time since A Town Called Mercy in 2012 - brings lots of ideas of his own to a really effective episode.


and a slightly different opinion from Cultbox:

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As for the rest – we are aware that we have been somewhat grumpy when previewing this episode, and it may be that part two pushes the envelope in new and interesting directions. So let’s end on a positive by celebrating what is thankfully mostly a reliable in modern-era Doctor Who: the quality of the special effects.


http://www.cultbox.co.uk/reviews/epi...under-the-lake
TheSilentFez
03-10-2015
Say what you like about "Base Under Seige" episodes- they may be unoriginal and perhaps even clichéd, but (for me at least) they work. Just look at Season 5 back in 1967-1968. It was effectively a whole season of them and most of them have become fondly remembered classics (even if only the audio remains for a lot of them) over the years. Tomb of the Cybermen, The Abominable Snowmen, The Ice Warriors, Web of Fear and Fury from the Deep are some fantastic stories.
Abomination
03-10-2015
Agree with the above. Not every episode needs to be delving into groundbreaking territory. Sometimes the very best thing for a show like Doctor Who is to scale things back to basics... be it having a romp, or a base-under-siege, or an old fashioned mystery.

'New and interesting' comes as part of the wider perspective, whilst some episodes may benefit from delivering something reliably comfortable. It's something I think Doctor Who is good at, and it can still offer massive variety - the recent two-parter was very self-referential but it didn't make it inherently bad as a result. A base-under-siege story can equally be measured on the other factors at play throughout the episode, rather than on the over-familiarity of the genre
Verence
03-10-2015
Not sure if this is a spoiler or not so just to be on the safe side

Paul Kaye's character
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Is apparently a Tivolian like David Walliams' character from The God Complex
sandydune
03-10-2015
In this episode The Doctor is wearing the coat with the red lining, I would love Clara to ask The Doctor what the button on his coat sleeve does? We've had sonic sunglasses last week, would be most impressive for The Doctor's coat to do stuff also.

Clara- Doctor, what does that button do?
The Doctor-Good question Clara, nothing, absolutely nothing, just there for decoration.
(Clara touches the button and the coat changes colour)
iaindb
03-10-2015
Originally Posted by sandydune:
“In this episode The Doctor is wearing the coat with the red lining, I would love Clara to ask The Doctor what the button on his coat sleeve does? We've had sonic sunglasses last week, would be most impressive for The Doctor's coat to do stuff also.

Clara- Doctor, what does that button do?
The Doctor-Good question Clara, nothing, absolutely nothing, just there for decoration.
(Clara touches the button and the coat changes colour)”

(Clara touches the button and the Doctor goes ballistic.)
The Doctor: DON'T TOUCH MY BUTTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

edit: (The Doctor slaps Clara on the face - I believe he owes her one or two)
CD93
03-10-2015
Under the Lake Poster
Whoswho1
03-10-2015
Originally Posted by CD93:
“Under the Lake Poster”

nice!....
alphonsus
03-10-2015
8:25pm start? Seriously? I almost wonder if it'd be better off on BBC2. How many Doctor Who watchers are in Strictly's target demographic anyway?
Michael_Eve
03-10-2015
These posters are very classy, aren't they. Don't know much about art, but I know what I like.

Looking forward to this as I like Toby Whithouse's writing. Nowt wrong with a bit of base under Seige...occasionally. (I love Sixties Who, but think they did a few too many, um, BUS stories in the Troughton era. Got a bit formulaic, IMO) Hope it's a good one...
sandydune
03-10-2015
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“(Clara touches the button and the Doctor goes ballistic.)
The Doctor: DON'T TOUCH MY BUTTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
”

Clara- River, The Doctor is acting silly again.
sandydune
03-10-2015
Originally Posted by CD93:
“Under the Lake Poster”

The poster shows The Doctor running but are the 'ghosts' running away from The Doctor?
Verence
03-10-2015
Originally Posted by alphonsus:
“8:25pm start? Seriously? I almost wonder if it'd be better off on BBC2. How many Doctor Who watchers are in Strictly's target demographic anyway?”

It would most likely get even worse viewing figures on BBC2
Verence
03-10-2015
Only a minute to go and Strictly is still on.....

I've just checked the schedules for next Saturday and DW clashes with a England rugby game again. With any luck Australia will slaughter them tonight so people might not bother to watch next week
Verence
03-10-2015
Mr Rook from Being Human!!
Verence
03-10-2015
So UNIT still exists in the 22nd Century and the Doctor is famous....
xbling
03-10-2015
Anyone else seeing Peter Capaldi play the doctor he wants to play?
Verence
03-10-2015
Originally Posted by xbling:
“Anyone else seeing Peter Capaldi play the doctor he wants to play?”

I'm just glad I'm no longer the only person on this thread

A mention of Autons!!
2shy2007
03-10-2015
Originally Posted by xbling:
“Anyone else seeing Peter Capaldi play the doctor he wants to play?”

When he is away from Moffats writing, he really comes into the character.
claire2281
03-10-2015
Originally Posted by xbling:
“Anyone else seeing Peter Capaldi play the doctor he wants to play?”

I think he smiled more in the first five minutes of this than he was allowed to in all of last series. They turned him from a callous arse to someone who is so excited about the universe that he needs his companion to remind him to consider the individuals sometimes. MUCH BETTER!
stvn758
03-10-2015
A trillion dollars, how insulting. ££££!

Next we'll be told the darleks are mass produced in China.
Verence
03-10-2015
Originally Posted by stvn758:
“A trillion dollars, how insulting. ££££!

Next we'll be told the darleks are mass produced in China.”

The oil company might be based in the US which is why the businessman was talking in dollars.
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