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Old 02-10-2015, 23:24
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This is one of the huge problems this story has suffered losing the key players at crucial times .

Peter, Lauren, max now.

If it had been known the actor who plays Peter was quitting would it not have been easier to have him bumped off.

Something that has characterised this producers reign is the amount of young female actresses lost to the show
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Old 02-10-2015, 23:38
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Lucy was a much bigger character than Peter, and Peter had only just been re-cast. They were going for a youngster, a Beale and one who would make the biggest impact it had to be Lucy imo
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Old 02-10-2015, 23:38
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Jane couldn't 'carry' Peter 'like a baby' to dump him on the common without doing her back in.
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Old 02-10-2015, 23:40
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Wasn't there a thread about this about 2 months ago????????????????????
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Old 02-10-2015, 23:44
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why did he have to kill either off? he came up with this masterplan but its turned into a farce, oh yeah and he axed lola as well! I get It was the 30th anniversary and he wanted a huge story, but why kill off a beale twin? he starts storylines and doesn't know how to end them, max's escape from the courtroom was embarrassing btw.
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Old 02-10-2015, 23:50
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Lucy was a much bigger character than Peter, and Peter had only just been re-cast. They were going for a youngster, a Beale and one who would make the biggest impact it had to be Lucy imo
I agree.

There are a lot of reasons lucy made more sense to be the victim.

She was the only daughter, Ian's favourite, the only one he has had in his life from beginning to end (she wasn't kidnapped by Cindy with Peter and steven). She was known to be multi faceted, to rub people up the wrong way, be bitchy, have enemies that might want her dead. Her characterisation was such that it was believable that she would be sleeping with somebody old enough to be her parent, to be taking cocaine. To have a whole 'secret life' in a way that just wouldn't have worked with Peter.

That is why it had to be Lucy, irrespective of how soon actors would be leaving.
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Old 03-10-2015, 00:06
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I agree.

There are a lot of reasons lucy made more sense to be the victim.

She was the only daughter, Ian's favourite, the only one he has had in his life from beginning to end (she wasn't kidnapped by Cindy with Peter and steven). She was known to be multi faceted, to rub people up the wrong way, be bitchy, have enemies that might want her dead. Her characterisation was such that it was believable that she would be sleeping with somebody old enough to be her parent, to be taking cocaine. To have a whole 'secret life' in a way that just wouldn't have worked with Peter.

That is why it had to be Lucy, irrespective of how soon actors would be leaving.
ians favourite, yet he instantly forgave jane for dumping her body in the common. ian is a disgrace as well!
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Old 03-10-2015, 00:16
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ians favourite, yet he instantly forgave jane for dumping her body in the common. ian is a disgrace as well!
I think that is a gross over simplification of what actually happened re Ian's reaction.

By chance, I've just rewatched the live episode and he does not 'instantly' forgive her. He realise that she was protecting her (their) son and he can't bear the thought of losing any more family when he has already lost Lucy.

Now that might not be the moral response, and his having been willing to let innocent people go down for it since is unforgivable but that doesn't alter the fact that Lucy was always portrayed as Ian's favourite child - it was even a crucial part of her final episodes.
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Old 03-10-2015, 00:25
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I think that is a gross over simplification of what actually happened re Ian's reaction.

By chance, I've just rewatched the live episode and he does not 'instantly' forgive her. He realise that she was protecting her (their) son and he can't bear the thought of losing any more family when he has already lost Lucy.

Now that might not be the moral response, and his having been willing to let innocent people go down for it since is unforgivable but that doesn't alter the fact that Lucy was always portrayed as Ian's favourite child - it was even a crucial part of her final episodes.
she shouldn't have been axed, the storyline is a shambles and it just wasn't worth it! I would love to have seen what would have became of her addiction, whether she would have turned over a new leaf or not, and would have loved lucy and Kathy scenes.
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Old 03-10-2015, 00:36
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I think that is a gross over simplification of what actually happened re Ian's reaction.

By chance, I've just rewatched the live episode and he does not 'instantly' forgive her. He realise that she was protecting her (their) son and he can't bear the thought of losing any more family when he has already lost Lucy.

Now that might not be the moral response, and his having been willing to let innocent people go down for it since is unforgivable but that doesn't alter the fact that Lucy was always portrayed as Ian's favourite child - it was even a crucial part of her final episodes.
I don't think it's an over simplification at all, he pretty much goes from thinking Jane was the killer, to finding out it was bobby and then forgiving Jane for what she did and all the les and heartache she put them through in under an hour. that to me doesn't ring true ; Ian had lost his only daughter and regardless of the reasons why she did it I don't think anyone could process this information and decide to accept it as result add he did in such a little amount of time. He would need time and reflection first, which obviously didn't fit in with the live episodes because it was all in real time, but had his acceptance happened over days or weeks e might have been more empathetic to the character. As it was it pretty much felt like "so you put Lucy in the boot of your car and then you dumped her on the common? Well, you did it for the right reasons love, let's have a cup of tea and an early night then "
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Old 03-10-2015, 00:47
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I don't think it's an over simplification at all, he pretty much goes from thinking Jane was the killer, to finding out it was bobby and then forgiving Jane for what she did and all the les and heartache she put them through in under an hour. that to me doesn't ring true ; Ian had lost his only daughter and regardless of the reasons why she did it I don't think anyone could process this information and decide to accept it as result add he did in such a little amount of time. He would need time and reflection first, which obviously didn't fit in with the live episodes because it was all in real time, but had his acceptance happened over days or weeks e might have been more empathetic to the character. As it was it pretty much felt like "so you put Lucy in the boot of your car and then you dumped her on the common? Well, you did it for the right reasons love, let's have a cup of tea and an early night then "
I can understand that point of view but I guess the argument is it all happened off screen during what must have been the world's worst honeymoon.
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Old 03-10-2015, 00:51
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Jane couldn't 'carry' Peter 'like a baby' to dump him on the common without doing her back in.
Jane's pretty butch... I say she could
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Old 03-10-2015, 00:54
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I don't think it's an over simplification at all, he pretty much goes from thinking Jane was the killer, to finding out it was bobby and then forgiving Jane for what she did and all the les and heartache she put them through in under an hour. that to me doesn't ring true ; Ian had lost his only daughter and regardless of the reasons why she did it I don't think anyone could process this information and decide to accept it as result add he did in such a little amount of time. He would need time and reflection first, which obviously didn't fit in with the live episodes because it was all in real time, but had his acceptance happened over days or weeks e might have been more empathetic to the character. As it was it pretty much felt like "so you put Lucy in the boot of your car and then you dumped her on the common? Well, you did it for the right reasons love, let's have a cup of tea and an early night then "
dumping his only daughters in the common to rot like that would not be forgiven in 30 minutes, lucy was the one yet ian seems to have totally disregarded that notion, the reveal killed it for so many people, no way ian would forgive that. jane is vile and ian I really cant stand him now either, utter weasel.
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:03
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she shouldn't have been axed, the storyline is a shambles and it just wasn't worth it! I would love to have seen what would have became of her addiction, whether she would have turned over a new leaf or not, and would have loved lucy and Kathy scenes.
I loved Lucy in every incarnation. I found her fascinating and was very sorry to lose her.

But as soon as the storyline was announced i saw why it had to be her rather than anybody else, rather than Peter or one of the other female characters like Lauren, Whitney, Lola

I am getting fed up of more and more people finding out and keeping it secret but other than that I think the whole thing has been done very well so must disagree about it being a shambles.

Much as i loved Lucy, i feel the sacrifice was worth it. She has become a bigger character, an icon, in death in a way i don't think she would have in life

Of course we'll never know for sure what she could have become but that is my feeling about it.
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:05
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neither beale twin should have died
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:13
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I loved Lucy in every incarnation. I found her fascinating and was very sorry to lose her.

But as soon as the storyline was announced i saw why it had to be her rather than anybody else, rather than Peter or one of the other female characters like Lauren, Whitney, Lola

I am getting fed up of more and more people finding out and keeping it secret but other than that I think the whole thing has been done very well so must disagree about it being a shambles.

Much as i loved Lucy, i feel the sacrifice was worth it. She has become a bigger character, an icon, in death in a way i don't think she would have in life

Of course we'll never know for sure what she could have become but that is my feeling about it.
dtc's inability to bring the storyline to a satisfactory conclusion has imo confirmed it wasnt worth the risk killing her, she was fantastic that flashback episode, she didn't need to do it considering dtc sacked her,she would have went on to become a great character for years to become, and as I said before when jac jossa fell pregnant and peter quit, he must have been having second thoughts. key characters to the story all disappeared and it killed it. the show basically stopped for 3 months after live.
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:14
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I don't think it's an over simplification at all, he pretty much goes from thinking Jane was the killer, to finding out it was bobby and then forgiving Jane for what she did and all the les and heartache she put them through in under an hour. that to me doesn't ring true ; Ian had lost his only daughter and regardless of the reasons why she did it I don't think anyone could process this information and decide to accept it as result add he did in such a little amount of time. He would need time and reflection first, which obviously didn't fit in with the live episodes because it was all in real time, but had his acceptance happened over days or weeks e might have been more empathetic to the character. As it was it pretty much felt like "so you put Lucy in the boot of your car and then you dumped her on the common? Well, you did it for the right reasons love, let's have a cup of tea and an early night then "
We'll have to agree to disagree although of course you're right - a lot had to be sped up due to the format of the live episode.

I don't think it was left with the idea that ian was okay with it all and just willing to sit down and have a cup of tea.

It was just that he had finally reached a sort of peace by knowing what had actually happened and whilst in many ways it was the most horrific answer (killed by little brother, moved by step mother), in some ways it was probably better than other scenarios he'd imagined. As he said to Peter "she was at home, she was safe" (or wtte) and it was an accident which in some ways was preferable to the idea of a stranger killing her for kicks or similar, her being scared out alone somewhere else.

As i say, i don't think he was okay with it at all but he couldn't face the thought of losing anybody else. I think it was more understanding than forgiveness at that point.

But, we all have different perspectives on it.

I think it is impossible to say how a person would actually react in those circumstances.

I would like to think that had I been Jane that night I would have had the morality and sense to call an Ambulance and Police to get lucy and Bobby the help they needed, not move lucy with the disdain that implies, put the rest of the family through hell and run the risk of an innocent person being blamed.

If i were ian, finding out so many months after the fact when it was too late to clear the air without people getting into trouble and believing that nobody else would be blamed - I'm not sure what i would have done.

The unforgivable thing for me with Ian is having kept quiet when the Police started making moves to arrest other people. Also bullying people like Cindy and Liam.
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:19
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dtc's inability to bring the storyline to a satisfactory conclusion has imo confirmed it wasnt worth the risk killing her, she was fantastic that flashback episode, she didn't need to do it considering dtc sacked her,she would have went on to become a great character for years to become, and as I said before when jac jossa fell pregnant and peter quit, he must have been having second thoughts. key characters to the story all disappeared and it killed it. the show basically stopped for 3 months after live.
I have always felt that is j jossa had not fallen pregnant the story would have been very different
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:19
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dtc's inability to bring the storyline to a satisfactory conclusion has imo confirmed it wasnt worth the risk killing her, she was fantastic that flashback episode, she didn't need to do it considering dtc sacked her,she would have went on to become a great character for years to become, and as I said before when jac jossa fell pregnant and peter quit, he must have been having second thoughts. key characters to the story all disappeared and it killed it. the show basically stopped for 3 months after live.
I actually like that it hasn't reached a 'conclusion'. I don't think it ever should do. So long as there is a Beale in the show, especially Ian, Peter or Bobby, the storyline will exist in some way because they won't forget Lucy - whether Bobby is found out or not.

I do think it should go on the back burner for a while though.

Did the show stop for 3 months? Stuff to do with Lucy might have but there was plenty of other stuff going on with the Carters as a prime example.

Don't get me wrong, i think it has been far from perfect, particularly in the last few months - having Max wrongfully convicted and so many people complicit in the deceit is a mistake in my view. But that is only one part of the story, the rest of it has been done well in my opinion.

But that is just my opinion, obviously other people are entitled to different ones.
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:20
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neither beale twin should have died
Who would you have suggested they did the 'Who Killed Laura Palmer' type storyline with then? Or would you just not had a year long whodunit at all?
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:22
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We'll have to agree to disagree although of course you're right - a lot had to be sped up due to the format of the live episode.

I don't think it was left with the idea that ian was okay with it all and just willing to sit down and have a cup of tea.

It was just that he had finally reached a sort of peace by knowing what had actually happened and whilst in many ways it was the most horrific answer (killed by little brother, moved by step mother), in some ways it was probably better than other scenarios he'd imagined. As he said to Peter "she was at home, she was safe" (or wtte) and it was an accident which in some ways was preferable to the idea of a stranger killing her for kicks or similar, her being scared out alone somewhere else.

As i say, i don't think he was okay with it at all but he couldn't face the thought of losing anybody else. I think it was more understanding than forgiveness at that point.

But, we all have different perspectives on it.

I think it is impossible to say how a person would actually react in those circumstances.

I would like to think that had I been Jane that night I would have had the morality and sense to call an Ambulance and Police to get lucy and Bobby the help they needed, not move lucy with the disdain that implies, put the rest of the family through hell and run the risk of an innocent person being blamed.

If i were ian, finding out so many months after the fact when it was too late to clear the air without people getting into trouble and believing that nobody else would be blamed - I'm not sure what i would have done.

The unforgivable thing for me with Ian is having kept quiet when the Police started making moves to arrest other people. Also bullying people like Cindy and Liam.
accident my arse! bobby knows he killed her, hence why dtc is protecting him so much as he is the future psycho of the square.
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:25
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Who would you have suggested they did the 'Who Killed Laura Palmer' type storyline with then? Or would you just not had a year long whodunit at all?
I'm not paid to make these decisions, but he didn't need to kill anyone, hes apparently so full of ideas he surely could have came up with something else, it was far too soon for lucy to die!
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:48
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I'm not paid to make these decisions, but he didn't need to kill anyone, hes apparently so full of ideas he surely could have came up with something else, it was far too soon for lucy to die!
Yo're not paid to come up with the ideas but you are being very quick to say the wrong decision was made.

I don't see how anybody else would have had the impact that lucy did. It strikes me that a lot of the reasons people don't like it (she was a member of a central family, she had lots of history and potential, lots of links to other characters) is the very reason it had to be her. It had to be somebody that would have a huge impact.

The only other person i can think of that would have had anywhere near as much impact would have been Lauren. But even she not so much as we didn't see her born on screen, grow up, not a member of the first main family in the show that have been there for the full 30 years.

Re your earlier post, we don't know if Bobby knows he did it or not for sure. We don't know if it was an accident for sure. All we can go by is what we have been shown on screen and that includes his being alone with people such as Peter, asking if he did it and being told no.

But again, that is one of the interesting and long running things about it - seeing how Bobby develops and how Ian and Jane deal with him in the months and years to come.

ETA: fair enough if you think that the whole plot line was a mistake, that there shouldn't have been a 'whodunnit' at all.

But if there was to be one, one of this type which involved virtually everybody in the show, i don't see how it could have been anybody except Lucy.
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:42
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Jane couldn't 'carry' Peter 'like a baby' to dump him on the common without doing her back in.
Without a JCB more like.
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Old 03-10-2015, 03:02
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I don't think it's an over simplification at all, he pretty much goes from thinking Jane was the killer, to finding out it was bobby and then forgiving Jane for what she did and all the les and heartache she put them through in under an hour. that to me doesn't ring true ; Ian had lost his only daughter and regardless of the reasons why she did it I don't think anyone could process this information and decide to accept it as result add he did in such a little amount of time. He would need time and reflection first, which obviously didn't fit in with the live episodes because it was all in real time, but had his acceptance happened over days or weeks e might have been more empathetic to the character. As it was it pretty much felt like "so you put Lucy in the boot of your car and then you dumped her on the common? Well, you did it for the right reasons love, let's have a cup of tea and an early night then "
I agree.
Ian is also spiteful, vindictive and very unforgiving, him getting over it so quickly is even more ridiculous given it's him.
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