Well, Len probably has enough common sense to not want to be seen as a dirty old man and there's no one left to be fawning over women there Although when Giovanni lifted Georgia's skirt for a split of a second all hell broke loose.

Most interesting post from An Thropologist but I also think the above post is very relevant. There is a whole different vibe behind the comments when they are made by women to men compared to men commenting on / to women. I'm not saying that just because women have always been objectified, etc, makes it okay for a man or men to go through the same thing (it isn't) but I'm interested in whether most men would even perceive it as 'the same thing'.

Some have seen (or thought they've seen) expressions of discomfort from some of the male dancers on the receiving end of female 'appreciative' behaviour but I wonder if it is mainly women perceiving this negative reaction? - women who've undoubtedly had to deal with (and felt uncomfortable with) attention from men based on their gender, level of attractiveness. But are men generally far less bothered by the attention because, as Capt Cherub says, there's little or no likelihood of violence / danger, not being taken seriously in business, etc, associated with the attitude?

I do wonder whether, in general, the level or type of concern just doesn't translate directly or well between the sexes.

I agree and posted the same in previous years but you will get the usual excuses from plenty of people.

Really? I think Tess is much worse than Arlene ever was and Claudia's performance yesterday was terrible.

Unlike Len's fetish with sportsmen, Arlene didn't really tend to give ridiculous marks, even if she "salivated".

Many on here complained of Pam's treatment of James. There may be no fear of violence, but women can be just as crazy and zealous as men (if not worse) regarding harassment. I don't think there's much difference and there's certainly no moral difference.

Pamela Stephenson harassed James Jordan?

About time somebody did.

Didn't she write some creepy blog about how sexually charged their dancing was and how she liked to imagine him and Ola in bed or something?

She was always on about how much she fancied him and dancing with him made her jump Billy Connolly (or words to that effect )

Damn you!

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(In retrospect it might have been Goldilocks)

Should be easy enough to work out which. Can you remember if the routine included 3 bare dancers?

ETA sorry bear dancers.
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^^^ I had a quick look for it, but it seems to have been expunged. Praps for the best.

(Wasn't the song Lance's Dad's 'arrangement' of Teddy Bears' Picnic? The whole thing was creepy).

I think the fawning over Gleb has reached an awkward level. I'd feel uncomfortable if I was him.

Couldn't agree with you more. The dancers are all very attractive, it's a very visual art and they all dress beautifully for the show. I see nothing wrong with compliments being made to the pros/celebs with regards to their look on the night or their dress or if they looked hot on the dance floor (and that applies to both the males and females)

But there's a world of difference between a mention or compliment given to their appearance from time to time and the constant drooling and sexual innuendo directed at Gleb every time he is spoken to (that includes casual conversations as well as pre-rehersed intros). I don't want a dry show void of any fun or compliments but its been very much more than that with Gleb and its all the time. As I mentioned earlier, I'm convinced there would be much more said of it had it been two males treating a new female pro in the same way (as if she is only there to be oggled)

There is far too much OTT gushing from the two female presenters . Both know very little about dancing, yet to them every celeb was fantastic and I'm fed up of them saying 'we all thought so' .

I used to like Tess with Bruce but I'm beginning to believe the show needs a male presenter to calm things down and give a more balanced perspective .

Definitely agree with the OP on this matter, and it was the main reason I was glad to see the back of Arlene. Seems like every time there's an attractive new boy they're fair game. I bet Aljaz is over the moon that it's not him any more, and maybe now he might just get comments about his dancing ability and not his face!

Conversely, do you think that Giovanni might feel a bit put out? All this Gleb, Gleb, Gleb, is he thinking what am I, a troll?

Scripted nonsense. 'You will like our new male dancers.' We've heard it all before with Artem and Aljaž . The BBC are into flaunting men and their muscles to get viewers. They made Poldark all about the muscles.

With the great bodies, dancing and costumes, there is undoubtedly a sexual element to SCD but this continual scripted fawning is childish and embarrassing.

Its a part of the increasing coarseness of the show. Ever more suggestive dances and revealing costumes. Leering conversations about whether or not shirts will be tipped off. Letchy comments about dancers bodies.
It seems to be developing the atmosphere of a Blackpool hen party.
Reckon I will be watching much less this year.

I can see what you are saying but don't fully agree. Dancing is a form of expression and as part of that he will actively choose to present himself in a certain way. People may admire that and find him sexy and attractive, but he's not in a passive role there. But Claudia and Tess aren't really talking about Gleb the dancer, are they? They just seem to be leching after the body, rather than admiring the dancer. I think that is different, since he becomes objectified

The interesting thing is on the show the presenters and judges do objectifying of the men more blatantly than they've done in the past, but in my house where were use strictly as a bonding viewing session, we still objectify the females way more, whether sexually, whether aesthetically (regarding costumes, hair) and overall pay far more attention to their presence than the males. So while on the show there is this weird letching on the new 'hot' male pro (as happened with Aljaz and now gleb), generally in life when talking about the show (this year and last) I still hear most of the objectifying comments from my friends (male, female and varying sexualities) being aimed at the females contestants. The funny thing is, gay men and straight women (which are the main lot of my friends that watch the show) think that saying a women is gorgeous, pretty, has a great body and amazing legs is not objectifying her because they're not saying it from a sexual point of view. So even when they comment that a female is looking hot and sexy, because it's an objective observation rather than a self fulfilling observation, they think they are less guilty of objectification, and usually don't even realise their level of objectifying. Sexual objectification doesn't have to just come from a place of sexual attraction, but, imo, a non-sexual appreciation that still recognises the sexual appeal of someone and still holds up that someone as a visual target first before anything else. And there is other ways forms of aesthetic appreciation that will come u dear boxing a personal visually. I find my straight female friends particularly do this but don't view it as a form of objectification, yet they'll comment on a man's looks and admit they're objectifying him, but not say it's objectifying with a female's looks because they don't fancy them so apparently the appreciation is less degrading or devaluing.

If I were gleb I'd find the comments about my looks both flattering and awkward. As a still young male it will boost his ego but also make him feel like he's not being taken as seriously. I almost feel sorry for the other male pros that hardly ever get the complimentary descriptions of looks given to them, i.e. Kevin, Anton and so on.

I would agree in general when the judges comment about a chest being out, or the nice bum, it just has that dirty men/woman vibe. As for Tess and Claudua, it all feels very badly scripted (esp with Tess where most compliments seem very awkwardly and insincerely given). The judges (minus Len, or mainly so) do seem to genuinely mean the comments they make about the males though, so it's very cringe.

The annoying element is that the producers think that because they (in presumption) have a largely straight female and gay male audience that this talking of the better looking males is what the viewers will welcome. But not all straight women just like looks, and while they might like a toned male with certain degree of muscles, they tend to prefer men to look more naturally toned (rather than gym whipped) and enjoy the mental, emotional details just as much. I'd rather they keep te shirt buttoned, as not seeing what could be underneath is more alluring (if the person is of a certain level of attraction). Also this over fleshing of men in tv shows like POLDARK feels overkill at times, and sometimes gives of this presumption that females now need to engage with males via the sight of their flesh in same way TV, film used to presume males could only likewise engage with women in the media via their flesh and looks. I know sex sells, but we as an audience at times are treated as limited shallow lot.

Agree with the comment above about it having a hen party vibe, which for some reason is allowed from women on TV, whereas a stag party vibe isn't. Imagine if Len constantly went on and on about a female's cleavage and boobs on the show.

What about the saying that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder?

If something inappropriate happened then it went right over my head. I'm a married straight female and regularly comment on here and to my husband when the show is on if I think someone is looking good/beautiful/hot/sexy... There's nothing more to it than a passing comment. Tonight I said I thought Jamelia looked sexy dancing in that green dress. Natalie is my long term (not so) secret girl crush. Brendan looked hot dancing with Kirsty. Kristina looked beautiful in her Charleston dress. Aljaz gets better looking every series.

Nothing has changed on the show. For years we've had comments from Tess, Claudia and Zoe about a male contestant's guns, how sexy the pros look doing the little demos, whether the shirt will be open, on or off. All of the judges comment on how hot under the collar they got watching performances - or how ever you want to describe it.

All of this means the pro dancers and their partners did a good job with their performance. The pros have fantastic bodies and want to be perceived as such in the costumes they wear.

If the show had two male presenters, there would still be banter of some kind about appearances and performances because they are only human! Even the sainted Tom Bergeron makes the odd passing comment and Bruce did too. The point is there's a fine line between what's acceptable and letchery. I don't think it has been or will be crossed no matter who presents the show. If the line was crossed the complaints would be flooding in to the BBC.

That's as maybe, but men are only sexual predators when they're sexual predators. The rest aren't and need to be treated like their female counterparts on a dancing show